Assassin 90+ - Countertactics

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  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    nah everybody can use POTS and after 89 **** can do too 3rd spark+headhunt(what if i know then stun in sametime). senseless talking about who overpowereed atm, i want wait till few month but something is true, wizzy really die faster than other class (maybe exclude non refined ea) and this tideborn patch dont was big advantage to us (ok maybe my opinion is changeing during time, only i think this atm).

    headhunt only has +100% weapon damage at level 10
  • Jiblet - Sanctuary
    Jiblet - Sanctuary Posts: 203 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Lolz, sin are strong but nowhere near OP (yet - I'll reserve final judgement until the 79, sage/demon and 100 skills come in).

    You can get out of thheir stuns
    You can gain immunity to stun in several ways
    You can force sin's out of stealth
    You can nuke the feck out of them as they tend to have low-ish HP

    The main thing right now is that sin are new and so most players haven't had time to develop tactics against them. Right now the highest lvl sin I've met on sanc server is around 87/88 so I'm looking forward to fighting him when he equips his 90 eq in a week or so, but a sin on their own is more of a nuisance than a real threat for higher lvls right now - it's when they fight in tandem with certain other classes that they can become really dangerous.

    Not seen a sin in TW yet, but I think they'll be very powerfull if used correctly...time will tell, though right now I don't think sin's need nerfing - again I'm reserving judgement until the class is finished and there are endgame sin's running around
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    after 89 **** can do too 3rd spark
    sins dont have 3spark,... :SSS no sage no demon means no sage spark and no demonspark,...
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    headhunt only has +100% weapon damage at level 10

    most of archer/bm skill is same but with they hurt. whatever eq dmg is sucks if compare the holy take aim and demon deadly shot then have similiar dmg, and deadly shot is 100% eq dmg.
    rinuruc wrote: »
    sins dont have 3spark,... :SSS no sage no demon means no sage spark and no demonspark,...

    sorry i cant belive they dont get in (close) future the lv89 cultivation.
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    most of archer/bm skill is same but with they hurt. whatever eq dmg is sucks if compare the holy take aim and demon deadly shot then have similiar dmg, and deadly shot is 100% eq dmg.



    sorry i cant belive they dont get in (close) future the lv89 cultivation.

    lol why not QQ about possible level 150 skills than??? (there isnt word of any major update from the original servers yet,... so why the hell even worry about it??? if in the chinese (or whatever it is,... idk, those servers that had it before us, and where we got the nice pics from,...) they didnt get any update with it yet,... why not start worrying about any future implementations for level 150 or whatever you can think of,....

    deal with the twospark they have,... dont worry about wether or not they get at 3spark,... (if they ever get a 3spark than i want nixes allowed in dungeons,...)
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    most of archer/bm skill is same but with they hurt. whatever eq dmg is sucks if compare the holy take aim and demon deadly shot then have similiar dmg, and deadly shot is 100% eq dmg.

    take aim doesn't get +14k static damage on top of it's 400%/500% weapon add on


    wizards get 2 great ultis, one for HA, one for squishies

    a teleport they can use while immobilized with only a 10 second cool down

    a skill that reduces an opponents earth, water and fire resistance by 60%

    a 4 second sleep that channels and casts instantly

    a self buff that increases there physical defense by 100% or 120%/150% if you get demon or sage books for it

    a 5 second seal

    a skill that removes all channeling time for there skills for 6 seconds



    yeaps wizards can't beat sins who don't even have level 11 skills
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    take aim doesn't get +14k static damage on top of it's 400%/500% weapon add on


    wizards get 2 great ultis, one for HA, one for squishies

    a teleport they can use while immobilized with only a 10 second cool down

    a skill that reduces an opponents earth, water and fire resistance by 60%

    a 4 second sleep that channels and casts instantly

    a self buff that increases there physical defense by 100% or 120%/150% if you get demon or sage books for it

    a 5 second seal

    a skill that removes all casting time for there skills for 6 seconds



    yeaps wizards can't beat sins who don't even have level 11 skills

    isnt it channeling that that skill removes???
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rinuruc wrote: »
    isnt it channeling that that skill removes???

    >.> <.< >.>

    i said channeling
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rinuruc wrote: »
    sins dont have 3spark,... :SSS no sage no demon means no sage spark and no demonspark,...

    also pretty sure sins have a 89 culti so they can get there 3 spark and chi build/burn skills

    they just don't have sage/demon level 11 skill books yet
  • rinuruc
    rinuruc Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    >.> <.< >.>

    i said channeling

    u edited ur post after i replied,... check my reply,... i have u quoted where it still said casting,... ;-)

    and no, sage and demon culti aint available for psy and sin yet??? how would you choose if you have no skills available for it,... would be kinda **** to already pick a cultivation if u get nothing for it in return,... ;-)
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    rinuruc wrote: »
    u edited ur post after i replied,... check my reply,... i have u quoted where it still said casting,... ;-)

    and no, sage and demon culti aint available for psy and sin yet??? how would you choose if you have no skills available for it,... would be kinda **** to already pick a cultivation if u get nothing for it in return,... ;-)

    you didn't pay any attention to the >.> faces did you. . .


    and feel free to find a 89+ sin and ask them if they got there culti =]
    it's a free online mmo, a lot of things simply are ****

    as for nothing in return? you would get your triple spark and chi gain/burn skill because they don't need level 11 books
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    take aim doesn't get +14k static damage on top of it's 400%/500% weapon add on


    wizards get 2 great ultis, one for HA, one for squishies

    a teleport they can use while immobilized with only a 10 second cool down

    a skill that reduces an opponents earth, water and fire resistance by 60%

    a 4 second sleep that channels and casts instantly

    a self buff that increases there physical defense by 100% or 120%/150% if you get demon or sage books for it

    a 5 second seal

    a skill that removes all channeling time for there skills for 6 seconds



    yeaps wizards can't beat sins who don't even have level 11 skills

    1.the great skill have nice spark cost and time (yes wizz dont ahev instant 1,5spark everytime lin assassin)
    2.teleport cost chi too, again we dont have chi gainer exclude if u are sage (if i use genie spark gainer when i was backstabbed then i lost a cance for useing genie).
    3.lv79 not instant too
    4.sleep again chi needed skill (lemme notice lets calculate how many i chi need if somebody backstab me without any skill gainer [exclude if u are sage but that need time too and ONLY 50chi])
    5.pure wizz's have low pdef, pure build=no light armor (we can get nice amount of pdef true, but not the cheapest thing)
    6.0 channeling but still need time to casting, and this again 2spark (until what u said need 440 chi)

    1. sin can get sparks fast because they get more chi gainer skill and they have enough time in stealth mode for prepare to fighting with full chi
    2.sins got tp to target and sametime stun too and +1 tp skill and 1 running speed buff, 1 another after 1hit again speed buff and 1 immune to movement bloackage skills and ofc stealth from combat.
    After this, who can reach/run away faster?

    3.rage buff, 20%hp after deadly situation(its kind'a second chance),avoid status effect, increase dmg taken to target (aka debuff)
    4. no combat just 2x stealth and 2x skill interupt(1 ranged another put in silence too) +sleep and same than point 2.
    5. 25% to avoid dmg skill
    6.30 att lv and alot interupt and stuns etc everything what can interupt the long casting skills +free chi what good for potentional spark burst and with few strong skill its hurt and combined(Earthen Rift,~Skill Headhunt, Rib Strike,Slipstream Strike etc) with +30% rage powa'.

    i dont scared from sins only i just noticed the another side if wizz strong side was listed .
    you didn't pay any attention to the >.> faces did you. . .


    and feel free to find a 89+ sin and ask them if they got there culti =]
    it's a free online mmo, a lot of things simply are ****

    as for nothing in return? you would get your triple spark and chi gain/burn skill because they don't need level 11 books

    and yes @rinuruc Lusca have right, the chi gainer/remover and 3 spark you get when u talk ur master in holy or demon world after lv89 culti (0gold/0sp skills without book but i think will be shortly books too for other skills).
  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    take aim doesn't get +14k static damage on top of it's 400%/500% weapon add on


    wizards get 2 great ultis, one for HA, one for squishies

    a teleport they can use while immobilized with only a 10 second cool down

    a skill that reduces an opponents earth, water and fire resistance by 60%

    a 4 second sleep that channels and casts instantly

    a self buff that increases there physical defense by 100% or 120%/150% if you get demon or sage books for it

    a 5 second seal

    a skill that removes all channeling time for there skills for 6 seconds



    yeaps wizards can't beat sins who don't even have level 11 skills

    dont ever take MS lightly its a big dmg aoe with 6 second stun great for HA/LA/Arcane

    what u dont get is . stun wont work on sin seal wont always work on sin and sleep wont work on sin


    but ye i had some hard time killing that only 1 sin there is 9x on my server but im positive once i get to 90 (getting almost x3 more deff then what i got atm. also getting the 89 sage skills) it will be alot easier to beat him. also every other 8x sin i know i beat easily so i was wrong to say their OP their balanced class yet still scary
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you guys want to talk about OP classes + Cash shop, then look at Clerics - Not Sin's lol..

    I play on HT and fimmelpotze is a 101 LA Cleric with 3 Vit - 13K HP - 11k Phys Def and ~11.5k Mag Att - And he doesnt even have a 100 weap or anything +12. How do you kill that? unless some 20k+ hp barb crit zerks an arma, but even then that's nothing plume shell and that 11k phys def can't stop. Only other way is to Gank or constant zerks/crits. especially when he can stack heal on himself - Yeah BM's can stunlock the hell out of them, but if we stunlock we can't DD enough to knock out 13k hp without getting lucky as hell - Unless the Cleric stands in a Demon DEX Build BM's face that had the 95 Lunar Claws lol.. Interval is nuts. That to me is OP.
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wait till you get decent assassins running around I guess. Event tome, lunar cape, HH99 pdef neck/belt, HH99 gaunts/bottom, crit boots, lv90/99 rank top, whatever helmet and lunar rings with whatever the best daggers will be. That is probably going to be OP too.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you guys want to talk about OP classes + Cash shop, then look at Clerics - Not Sin's lol..

    I play on HT and fimmelpotze is a 101 LA Cleric with 3 Vit - 13K HP - 11k Phys Def and ~11.5k Mag Att - And he doesnt even have a 100 weap or anything +12. How do you kill that? unless some 20k+ hp barb crit zerks an arma, but even then that's nothing plume shell and that 11k phys def can't stop. Only other way is to Gank or constant zerks/crits. especially when he can stack heal on himself - Yeah BM's can stunlock the hell out of them, but if we stunlock we can't DD enough to knock out 13k hp without getting lucky as hell - Unless the Cleric stands in a Demon DEX Build BM's face that had the 95 Lunar Claws lol.. Interval is nuts. That to me is OP.

    call a wiz friend to kill him for u :P
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    call a wiz friend to kill him for u :P

    fimmel is in my faction - anddd I havent found a Wizzy that can DD over Clerics heals and his Mag Def/HP yet.
  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    fimmel is in my faction - anddd I havent found a Wizzy that can DD over Clerics heals and his Mag Def/HP yet.

    a 99 sage wiz with sage BID and BT will be able to do it. undine > sleep > BID (incase it crits which most likely 2 ) about 5k-6k at least (would be normaly much more but i asume he got nice mag deff) and FoW to seal him (still cant heal the first strike) MS (nice dmg with 6 sec stun) almost down to like 3-4k hp by now i assume . 6 sec enough to cast a BT and that should kill him. and if not tell that wiz to do all of that with EP and Franzy :P
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    one of my best friends is a 99 Wizzy, with Sage Blackice, (and yes he is 3 vit pure mag.) even with a crit he can't 3 shot fimmel - he simply has too much Def and HP, by the time His Sleep and FoW lets up, Fimmel charm tick and sleeps him, Demon Spark/Frenzy and 1 Shot Crit him with Plume Shot lol - Did I mention Fimmel has 23% Crit? LOL
  • SurferGirl - Dreamweaver
    SurferGirl - Dreamweaver Posts: 415 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    one of my best friends is a 99 Wizzy, with Sage Blackice, (and yes he is 3 vit pure mag.) even with a crit he can't 3 shot fimmel - he simply has too much Def and HP, by the time His Sleep and FoW lets up, Fimmel charm tick and sleeps him, Demon Spark/Frenzy and 1 Shot Crit him with Plume Shot lol - Did I mention Fimmel has 23% Crit? LOL

    oh i forgot about charms. then nvm this person cant simply be killed by 1 person inless he got really close to 50% hp he dont have spam him on himself and a BID crit after undine with EP and franzy but thats abit hard to accomplish
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Yeahhh lol xD I'm not talking duels :P

    I know one person that can kill him 1v1, and that is Curse_ 101 BM with a sht load of Mag def and hp - and Max Interval + the Lunar Claws, but he can only kill fimmel when he stand in his face x.x - it's crazzyyyy
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I assume the only way to get him down would be casting a BIDS, be lucky that it procs and then use sutra with undine, ep, frenzy and the increased crit rate. But it still would be very hard to accomplish... I cannot really imagine that it is possible to one shot a lvl99 wiz with plume shot :S I mean, at that level a wiz has similar pdef to mdef...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you guys want to talk about OP classes + Cash shop, then look at Clerics - Not Sin's lol..

    I play on HT and fimmelpotze is a 101 LA Cleric with 3 Vit - 13K HP - 11k Phys Def and ~11.5k Mag Att - And he doesnt even have a 100 weap or anything +12. How do you kill that? unless some 20k+ hp barb crit zerks an arma, but even then that's nothing plume shell and that 11k phys def can't stop. Only other way is to Gank or constant zerks/crits. especially when he can stack heal on himself - Yeah BM's can stunlock the hell out of them, but if we stunlock we can't DD enough to knock out 13k hp without getting lucky as hell - Unless the Cleric stands in a Demon DEX Build BM's face that had the 95 Lunar Claws lol.. Interval is nuts. That to me is OP.

    ok then try to kill a barb with 30k hp and 10k mdef and gr16 weapon (that with 50 attack lv) :D

    everyclass is op with +12 eq.

    in pw my example have a archer with 14k hp and 7,8k mdef/pdef,41% crit,55att lv and this without any buff. every ppl who spend too much money for refine his eq is hard or impossible in 1vs1
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ok then try to kill a barb with 30k hp and 10k mdef and gr16 weapon (that with 50 attack lv) :D

    everyclass is op with +12 eq.

    in pw my example have a archer with 14k hp and 7,8k mdef/pdef,41% crit,55att lv and this without any buff. every ppl who spend too much money for refine his eq is hard or impossible in 1vs1


    Yeahh I don't know about other servers, but NO ONE in HT has Warsoul Weapons - and only one barb on our server breaks 30k HP - Doghunter - 32k x.x
    And only like 5 or 6 have +12 weapons. none being a barb. and @Xegeth - Like I said he is 3 Vit(my wizzy friend) - his gear is packed with Cits. but he does have 5.5k PDef, and yes, I know for a fact - He does get 1 shot by Plume Shot (when it crits) Fimmel has 11.5k Mag Att with just Cleric buffs x.x
  • Kristoph - Lost City
    Kristoph - Lost City Posts: 2,016 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Wizards simply can't kill vit clerics even if they only have 9k HP, unless the cleric is doing something wrong or if you get lucky on a Blade Tempest. There isn't really a reliable way to kill one unless you refine a weapon to like +12. Only way to kill it would be BM or archer, they can both break plume shell by **** their MP pool or archers can debuff plume shell with luck.
    Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.
  • Lenn_ - Sanctuary
    Lenn_ - Sanctuary Posts: 507 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If you guys want to talk about OP classes + Cash shop, then look at Clerics - Not Sin's lol..

    I play on HT and fimmelpotze is a 101 LA Cleric with 3 Vit - 13K HP - 11k Phys Def and ~11.5k Mag Att - And he doesnt even have a 100 weap or anything +12. How do you kill that? unless some 20k+ hp barb crit zerks an arma, but even then that's nothing plume shell and that 11k phys def can't stop. Only other way is to Gank or constant zerks/crits. especially when he can stack heal on himself - Yeah BM's can stunlock the hell out of them, but if we stunlock we can't DD enough to knock out 13k hp without getting lucky as hell - Unless the Cleric stands in a Demon DEX Build BM's face that had the 95 Lunar Claws lol.. Interval is nuts. That to me is OP.
    lol nothin +12? is it like 10 or 11 with +10 vit stones/ garnet gems? because otherwise it sounds like bull **** to have stats like that without ridiculous refines.
  • XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear
    XRecKLesSo - Heavens Tear Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    lol nothin +12? is it like 10 or 11 with +10 vit stones/ garnet gems? because otherwise it sounds like bull **** to have stats like that without ridiculous refines.

    Plate and Legs +8, Boots, Helm +10 everything has Primevil Vit stones +10 Vit.
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    1.the great skill have nice spark cost and time (yes wizz dont ahev instant 1,5spark everytime lin assassin)
    2.teleport cost chi too, again we dont have chi gainer exclude if u are sage (if i use genie spark gainer when i was backstabbed then i lost a cance for useing genie).
    3.lv79 not instant too
    4.sleep again chi needed skill (lemme notice lets calculate how many i chi need if somebody backstab me without any skill gainer [exclude if u are sage but that need time too and ONLY 50chi])
    5.pure wizz's have low pdef, pure build=no light armor (we can get nice amount of pdef true, but not the cheapest thing)
    6.0 channeling but still need time to casting, and this again 2spark (until what u said need 440 chi)

    1. sin can get sparks fast because they get more chi gainer skill and they have enough time in stealth mode for prepare to fighting with full chi
    2.sins got tp to target and sametime stun too and +1 tp skill and 1 running speed buff, 1 another after 1hit again speed buff and 1 immune to movement bloackage skills and ofc stealth from combat.
    After this, who can reach/run away faster?

    3.rage buff, 20%hp after deadly situation(its kind'a second chance),avoid status effect, increase dmg taken to target (aka debuff)
    4. no combat just 2x stealth and 2x skill interupt(1 ranged another put in silence too) +sleep and same than point 2.
    5. 25% to avoid dmg skill
    6.30 att lv and alot interupt and stuns etc everything what can interupt the long casting skills +free chi what good for potentional spark burst and with few strong skill its hurt and combined(Earthen Rift,~Skill Headhunt, Rib Strike,Slipstream Strike etc) with +30% rage powa'.

    i dont scared from sins only i just noticed the another side if wizz strong side was listed .

    x.x

    1. you don't need chi while grinding so you can sit on full chi while grinding in case someone comes to pk you
    as for the cast time, that is why you have FoW, SW, sutra and spark pots

    2. yes because 20 chi is so much and wizards don't gain any chi at all while they are attacking

    3. undine isn't instant true, but it casts pretty dam fast

    4. oh no a whole 20 chi, how will i make 20 chi D:

    5. as an arcane you can shard for physical defense in your top, pants, gloves and boots and then use physical ornaments
    then stone barrier adds at least 100% physical defense on top of that

    6. spark pots, or at full chi after 89 sutra > FoW > ulti

    i'm not saying killing a sin is really easy, but seriously it's not impossible

    and as for the sin stuff

    1. yeah sins can gain chi easy, but we don't have super high damaging skills to use our chi on

    2. the tele stun has a THREE MINUTE cool down, the other tele has a 15 second cool down, and hey guess what, shrink only has a 10 second cool down
    just fight in the air and there speed buffs don't matter and the one that makes us immune to stun/sleep/immobilize costs 1 spark, lasts 10 seconds and has a 90 second cool down

    3. yes we have deaden nerves to a simple sleep > ulti won't kill us straight away, but seriously we have the same hp as archers
    i would much rather have a 25% chance to avoid damage than a 50% chance to avoid a debuff when facing a wizard
    and our amp skill is only 30% at level 10 and costs 2 sparks, only lasts 8 seconds

    4. what wizard gives there opponent a chance to interrupt there ultis
    yes we have 1 5 second sleep, and 1 ranged interrupt, but it's only 70% chance at level 10
    and our last interrupt that also silences, costs 1 spark and has 1.1 second channel and 1.3 second cast

    5. yes it's a great skill, but it is only 25% chance, so 75% of the time you cast an ulti it will hit and we can't use our skill that gives us a chance to avoid neg status effects when we have this one on

    6. yes +30 attack level is very nice, our stuns and interrupts are nice but they aren't that great
    who on earth just stands there getting hit by skills by someone who has just triple sparked



    dont ever take MS lightly its a big dmg aoe with 6 second stun great for HA/LA/Arcane

    what u dont get is . stun wont work on sin seal wont always work on sin and sleep wont work on sin

    stun won't work for 10 seconds, but then you have 80 seconds were you can stun them and maze steps uses a spark

    and i would take 25% chance of avoiding damage over a 50% chance to avoid sleep/seal when i am as squishy as an archer is
  • Shadowvzs - Lost City
    Shadowvzs - Lost City Posts: 877 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    x.x

    1. you don't need chi while grinding so you can sit on full chi while grinding in case someone comes to pk you
    as for the cast time, that is why you have FoW, SW, sutra and spark pots

    2. yes because 20 chi is so much and wizards don't gain any chi at all while they are attacking

    3. undine isn't instant true, but it casts pretty dam fast

    4. oh no a whole 20 chi, how will i make 20 chi D:

    5. as an arcane you can shard for physical defense in your top, pants, gloves and boots and then use physical ornaments
    then stone barrier adds at least 100% physical defense on top of that

    6. spark pots, or at full chi after 89 sutra > FoW > ulti

    i'm not saying killing a sin is really easy, but seriously it's not impossible

    and as for the sin stuff

    1. yeah sins can gain chi easy, but we don't have super high damaging skills to use our chi on

    2. the tele stun has a THREE MINUTE cool down, the other tele has a 15 second cool down, and hey guess what, shrink only has a 10 second cool down
    just fight in the air and there speed buffs don't matter and the one that makes us immune to stun/sleep/immobilize costs 1 spark, lasts 10 seconds and has a 90 second cool down

    3. yes we have deaden nerves to a simple sleep > ulti won't kill us straight away, but seriously we have the same hp as archers
    i would much rather have a 25% chance to avoid damage than a 50% chance to avoid a debuff when facing a wizard
    and our amp skill is only 30% at level 10 and costs 2 sparks, only lasts 8 seconds

    4. what wizard gives there opponent a chance to interrupt there ultis
    yes we have 1 5 second sleep, and 1 ranged interrupt, but it's only 70% chance at level 10
    and our last interrupt that also silences, costs 1 spark and has 1.1 second channel and 1.3 second cast

    5. yes it's a great skill, but it is only 25% chance, so 75% of the time you cast an ulti it will hit and we can't use our skill that gives us a chance to avoid neg status effects when we have this one on

    6. yes +30 attack level is very nice, our stuns and interrupts are nice but they aren't that great
    who on earth just stands there getting hit by skills by someone who has just triple sparked

    stun won't work for 10 seconds, but then you have 80 seconds were you can stun them and maze steps uses a spark

    and i would take 25% chance of avoiding damage over a 50% chance to avoid sleep/seal when i am as squishy as an archer is

    1. who talked about grind in this thread? XD

    2.if i dont ahve casting gear then i cant cast a nuke if a bit bit lag and lv79 debuff (debuff interrupt the skill and fast skill do smalll dmg) and without a strong skill or sutra i cant 1hit, when i hit 1st u wake up and after that i have a **** long catsing XD

    3. u dont ahve same cause that 20% back, i can 1 hit a archer(after 90+, before that i dont really got chance agaist a sin) in high lv but i cant 1 hit if u get back ur hp only tick the hiero and stun me?
    and haho u talked about 500%eq dmg thing but u already for 400eq dmg skill what dont need any chi.
    archer dont have 25% to avoid hit if u want compare with ea ;) they got wing of grace or 3rd fury what can help avoid 1 skill but they can use during they are sleeping (and u got immune too like wing of grace after ur hiero tick ad u can leave too from battle for full recovery)

    4.fastest ulti is 4 sec, sleep same 4sec, i need 0 lagg for doing that, GL but i dont really can do, most of time target wake up before i can finish the casting the ulti or lets say i casted a ulti, and? ur hiero ticked u have again 100% hp (ok we start there we dont got chi gainer because if we are backstabbed then its a disadvatage of surprise).our silence and sleep not spamable for doing again a ulti if i got full chi.
    70% is more than half, ask a barb, they try stun too allways with 50% stun chance. ur silence in speed faster than wizz ulti speed or any nuke speed :P

    5.our avoid chance is lower than 25% XD maybe 2-3% and we got less hp too.

    6. archer got 1 stun/1 paralyze (idk exactly here the names,, maybe stun is same and paralyze is immobilize) only stun usefull against wizz, archer easier really, they cant interrupt us everytime.

    i bet archers can say a 25%avoid buff could be awasome to them because dodge at high lv is really sucks and worthless (on my archer lv in pvp server 4k dodge is nothing).

    not standing everybody in same place but u got tp to target location :P i am not sure u need too many sec for killing a arcane user.

    (again this just paper things)
  • Lusca - Sanctuary
    Lusca - Sanctuary Posts: 754 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    1. who talked about grind in this thread? XD

    2.if i dont ahve casting gear then i cant cast a nuke if a bit bit lag and lv79 debuff (debuff interrupt the skill and fast skill do smalll dmg) and without a strong skill or sutra i cant 1hit, when i hit 1st u wake up and after that i have a **** long catsing XD

    3. u dont ahve same cause that 20% back, i can 1 hit a archer(after 90+, before that i dont really got chance agaist a sin) in high lv but i cant 1 hit if u get back ur hp only tick the hiero and stun me?
    and haho u talked about 500%eq dmg thing but u already for 400eq dmg skill what dont need any chi.
    archer dont have 25% to avoid hit if u want compare with ea ;) they got wing of grace or 3rd fury what can help avoid 1 skill but they can use during they are sleeping (and u got immune too like wing of grace after ur hiero tick ad u can leave too from battle for full recovery)

    4.fastest ulti is 4 sec, sleep same 4sec, i need 0 lagg for doing that, GL but i dont really can do, most of time target wake up before i can finish the casting the ulti or lets say i casted a ulti, and? ur hiero ticked u have again 100% hp (ok we start there we dont got chi gainer because if we are backstabbed then its a disadvatage of surprise).our silence and sleep not spamable for doing again a ulti if i got full chi.
    70% is more than half, ask a barb, they try stun too allways with 50% stun chance. ur silence in speed faster than wizz ulti speed or any nuke speed :P

    5.our avoid chance is lower than 25% XD maybe 2-3% and we got less hp too.

    6. archer got 1 stun/1 paralyze (idk exactly here the names,, maybe stun is same and paralyze is immobilize) only stun usefull against wizz, archer easier really, they cant interrupt us everytime.

    i bet archers can say a 25%avoid buff could be awasome to them because dodge at high lv is really sucks and worthless (on my archer lv in pvp server 4k dodge is nothing).

    not standing everybody in same place but u got tp to target location :P i am not sure u need too many sec for killing a arcane user.

    (again this just paper things)

    1. you said what if a sin surprises you can you don't have any chi, why wouldn't you have any chi?

    2. undine before SW then ulti

    3. tick the charm then SW > ulti > gush
    our 400% damage skill has NO static add on damage, level 11 BIDS has +14k static damage ON TOP of it's 500% weapon damage
    i'm compared a sin to an archer because we use the same build, same armor so we have about the same hp and magic defense

    4. yeap sins can really do a lot in the half a second between sleep ending and getting hit by an ulti

    5. were on earth did i mention you should rely on evasion as a wizard?

    6. i never said archers are harder to kill than assassins?


    Sins may be hard to beat yes, but they aren't OP atm and don't need a nerf lol
    have to wait and see what 79 skills we get lol