The Real Cost of Catshopping

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

397.

That's how many AFK catshops I just counted in Arch at the time of this posting in Sanctuary. 397 computers left on to idle without any direct use by people.

Let's assume each of these computers is consuming a modest 100W (the same as two light bulbs). That's 6,670 kWh every week (over $800 USD of electricty) going to these cat shops. That is just absurd.

Imagine if we could save that.

- We would save enough energy to power 52 homes.
- We would prevent 3.97 tons of weekly carbon dioxide emissions
- We would have the equivalent carbon offset of planting 20,384 trees (enough trees to cover 34 acres of rainforest)

These numbers are for Sanctuary alone.

The benefit of eliminating cat shops is real. The question now is how to go about doing it.

If catshops were eliminated entirely tomorrow what would happen? People would complain at first for sure but I think they would adapt quickly to use the AH and trade chat.

Perhaps catshops could be made obsolete by a cash shop item that allows you to setup a stall without having your computer on.

I admit I don't have the answer but I see the problem.

-Ast

Deceptistar - Sanctuary

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

a cash shop item that allows you to setup a stall without having your computer on.

This^


and um........... god your bored astypoo

Niro_Etran - Lost City

Do you work for an electric company???

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

Bored much?

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

I club baby trees for fun, and because I like to hear them scream. My carbon footprint alone is equal to half of China's. Meanwhile, I spend my idle time consuming the blood of infants and curb-stomping puppies. In fact, I am shamed if I do not do these things. I demand a cash shop item that will appease my pet guilt-trips.

Man, it'll be great when we've sucked this planet dry and can move on to colonize (and corrupt) the rest of the Universe, ruining underfoot the flawed creation that bore us in our ascent to godhood. And, hopefully, we'll even get to kill some 8-foot-tall smurfs in the process.

Do you work for an electric company???

I was thinking more along the lines of Greenpeace, or some other similarly "eco-conscious" organization that offsets the burden of being raised in an industrialized nation by creating layers of bureaucratic guilt to grant some semblance of purpose in an otherwise existentially barren life. Quickly, someone light the Glenn Beck & GOP-Fox News-Megaconglomerate Superfriends signal! Everyone knows the only way to fight guilt trips is with mindless crazy and outmoded, hypocritical corruption!

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

Phoenix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I club baby trees for fun, and because I like to hear them scream. My carbon footprint alone is equal to half of China's. Meanwhile, I spend my idle time consuming the blood of infants and curb-stomping puppies. In fact, I am shamed if I do not do these things. I demand a cash shop item that will appease my pet guilt-trips.

Man, it'll be great when we've sucked this planet dry and can move on to colonize (and corrupt) the rest of the Universe, ruining underfoot the flawed creation that bore us in our ascent to godhood. And, hopefully, we'll even get to kill some 8-foot-tall smurfs in the process.

MagicHamsta - Lost City

397
o.o'
you counted all those?
me wondering if you sure your not part otter?
b:avoid

UmbraLupis - Heavens Tear

This is a call to *BAN* dihydrogen monoxide, otherwise know as the invisible, killer substance. This forum is probably not the place to post this protest, but I feel very strongly about this issue. For your information, dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO in its liquid form, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes tissue damage and contact with its gaseous form causes burns. DHMO use is widespread. For those who have become dependent on it, DHMO withdrawal means death. DHMO can be an environmental hazard: it is a major component of acid rain, contributes to the "greenhouse effect", leads to the erosion of natural landscapes and hastens the corrosion of most metals. Being so prevalent (quantities are found in every stream, lake and reservoir), DHMO contamination is at epidemic proportions. Despite the dangers, DHMO is often used as an industrial solvent, as a fire retardant, in nuclear power plants and (can you believe this) in certain food products. Companies dump waste dihydrogen monoxide into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. STOP THE HORROR NOW! The American government and the United Nations have refused to ban the production, distribution or use of this chemical due to its "economic importance." The navy and certain other military organizations are highly dependent on DHMO for various purposes. Military facilities receive tons of it through a sophisticated underground distribution network. It is also stored in large quantities for military emergencies. BUT IT'S NOT TOO LATE! You can help. Act *NOW* to prevent further contamination. Write your representatives. Start and sign petitions. Send e-mails. Inform your friends about the dangers. What you don't know *CAN* hurt you and every individual throughout the world

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

UmbraLupis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is a call to *BAN* dihydrogen monoxide, otherwise know as the invisible, killer substance. This forum is probably not the place to post this protest, but I feel very strongly about this issue. For your information, dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO in its liquid form, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes tissue damage and contact with its gaseous form causes burns. DHMO use is widespread. For those who have become dependent on it, DHMO withdrawal means death. DHMO can be an environmental hazard: it is a major component of acid rain, contributes to the "greenhouse effect", leads to the erosion of natural landscapes and hastens the corrosion of most metals. Being so prevalent (quantities are found in every stream, lake and reservoir), DHMO contamination is at epidemic proportions. Despite the dangers, DHMO is often used as an industrial solvent, as a fire retardant, in nuclear power plants and (can you believe this) in certain food products. Companies dump waste dihydrogen monoxide into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. STOP THE HORROR NOW! The American government and the United Nations have refused to ban the production, distribution or use of this chemical due to its "economic importance." The navy and certain other military organizations are highly dependent on DHMO for various purposes. Military facilities receive tons of it through a sophisticated underground distribution network. It is also stored in large quantities for military emergencies. BUT IT'S NOT TOO LATE! You can help. Act *NOW* to prevent further contamination. Write your representatives. Start and sign petitions. Send e-mails. Inform your friends about the dangers. What you don't know *CAN* hurt you and every individual throughout the world

MagicHamsta - Lost City

me are confoosed though........
why don't people convert to solar energy?
we managed to get 80% energy input from our current systems. (unlike teh pathetic 5 to less then 20% input you guys get so far...)
it can be done.
of course me can't help you guys.
(>.<)'
but....ya....
why you got to burn up our remains?
b:surrender

Luen - Dreamweaver_1345639169

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let's assume each of these computers is consuming a modest 100W (the same as two light bulbs). That's 6,670 kWh every week (over $800 USD of electricty) going to these cat shops. That is just absurd.

And there are Catshops that always are there. And don't seem to sell anything. Same Fashion or Three stars all the week.

Buying Gold instead of wasting electricity?

Hakiii - Heavens Tear

...
People are trying to ban things in virtual worlds now to?
I mean I'm all for having a way to have a catshop open without my computer running so I can do other stuff faster but...
We're gonna be run back into the dark ages with candles at the rate people complain...then we'll have to not use candles because people don't like smoke or wax...

//bored.

Niro_Etran - Lost City

I still use Candles and my electric don't even reach 45 bucks a month so I don't complain about leaving my computer on at all. b:victory

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

This is a call to *BAN* dihydrogen monoxide, otherwise know as the invisible, killer substance. This forum is probably not the place to post this protest, but I feel very strongly about this issue. For your information, dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO in its liquid form, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes tissue damage and contact with its gaseous form causes burns. DHMO use is widespread. For those who have become dependent on it, DHMO withdrawal means death. DHMO can be an environmental hazard: it is a major component of acid rain, contributes to the "greenhouse effect", leads to the erosion of natural landscapes and hastens the corrosion of most metals. Being so prevalent (quantities are found in every stream, lake and reservoir), DHMO contamination is at epidemic proportions. Despite the dangers, DHMO is often used as an industrial solvent, as a fire retardant, in nuclear power plants and (can you believe this) in certain food products. Companies dump waste dihydrogen monoxide into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. STOP THE HORROR NOW! The American government and the United Nations have refused to ban the production, distribution or use of this chemical due to its "economic importance." The navy and certain other military organizations are highly dependent on DHMO for various purposes. Military facilities receive tons of it through a sophisticated underground distribution network. It is also stored in large quantities for military emergencies. BUT IT'S NOT TOO LATE! You can help. Act *NOW* to prevent further contamination. Write your representatives. Start and sign petitions. Send e-mails. Inform your friends about the dangers. What you don't know *CAN* hurt you and every individual throughout the world

This is an outrage! We'll drown in dihydrogen monoxide if we don't take steps to limit its use!

UmbraLupis - Heavens Tear

PartyAnimal - Harshlands wrote: »

Yup. i was at least hoping for a lol or two though x.x

Niro_Etran - Lost City

UmbraLupis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This is a call to *BAN* dihydrogen monoxide, otherwise know as the invisible, killer substance. This forum is probably not the place to post this protest, but I feel very strongly about this issue. For your information, dihydrogen monoxide (DHMO) is colorless, odorless, tasteless, and kills thousands of people every year. Most of these deaths are caused by accidental inhalation of DHMO in its liquid form, but the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide do not end there. Prolonged exposure to its solid form causes tissue damage and contact with its gaseous form causes burns. DHMO use is widespread. For those who have become dependent on it, DHMO withdrawal means death. DHMO can be an environmental hazard: it is a major component of acid rain, contributes to the "greenhouse effect", leads to the erosion of natural landscapes and hastens the corrosion of most metals. Being so prevalent (quantities are found in every stream, lake and reservoir), DHMO contamination is at epidemic proportions. Despite the dangers, DHMO is often used as an industrial solvent, as a fire retardant, in nuclear power plants and (can you believe this) in certain food products. Companies dump waste dihydrogen monoxide into rivers and the ocean, and nothing can be done to stop them because this practice is still legal. STOP THE HORROR NOW! The American government and the United Nations have refused to ban the production, distribution or use of this chemical due to its "economic importance." The navy and certain other military organizations are highly dependent on DHMO for various purposes. Military facilities receive tons of it through a sophisticated underground distribution network. It is also stored in large quantities for military emergencies. BUT IT'S NOT TOO LATE! You can help. Act *NOW* to prevent further contamination. Write your representatives. Start and sign petitions. Send e-mails. Inform your friends about the dangers. What you don't know *CAN* hurt you and every individual throughout the world

The dihydrogen monoxide hoax involves the use of an unfamiliar name for water, then listing some negative effects of water, then asking individuals to help control the seemingly dangerous substance. The hoax is designed to illustrate how the lack of scientific literacy and an exaggerated analysis can lead to misplaced fears.[1] "Dihydrogen monoxide", shortened to "DHMO", is a name for water that is consistent with chemical nomenclature, but that is almost never used.b:angryb:angry

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

Niro_Etran - Lost City wrote: »

The dihydrogen monoxide hoax involves the use of an unfamiliar name for water, then listing some negative effects of water, then asking individuals to help control the seemingly dangerous substance. The hoax is designed to illustrate how the lack of scientific literacy and an exaggerated analysis can lead to misplaced fears.[1] "Dihydrogen monoxide", shortened to "DHMO", is a name for water that is consistent with chemical nomenclature, but that is almost never used.b:angryb:angry

And for a second there I thought you were actually smart

PsychoChickn - Dreamweaver

After banning water, can we all agree to pay a double pension to the widow of the unknown soldier? We should also ban women's sufferage. Both petitions often get many, many, many signatures----proving petitions don't mean much. People will agree to anything.

drmarley

PartyAnimal - Harshlands wrote: »

And for a second there I thought you were actually smart

b:laughb:laughb:laugh

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

Hakiii - Heavens Tear wrote: »

...
People are trying to ban things in virtual worlds now to?
I mean I'm all for having a way to have a catshop open without my computer running so I can do other stuff faster but...
We're gonna be run back into the dark ages with candles at the rate people complain...then we'll have to not use candles because people don't like smoke or wax...

//bored.

It's banning something in the virtual world that has real world costs.

No I'm not an eco nut, I'm an engineer. I see the catshops in arch and see nothing but waste.

It took about 8 mins to count the cat shops in arch, its not like I spent all day there. I spend more time waiting in room 34 of the cube.

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

Now that I've worked the sarcasm out of my system - for now, anyway - this:

Perhaps catshops could be made obsolete by a cash shop item that allows you to setup a stall without having your computer on.

I want this. You see this, PWI? If you can't get a workable search function on your auction house, this will suffice, because it will allow me to abandon my undercut items amidst the unnavigable dross of catshops in Archosaur and go about my adventuring business, pretending all the while that someone may actually come across it and buy my items. Only I won't have to be there to suffer growing rage at still being dirt poor and unable to move and having to stare at a maddeningly ugly cat-mold-thing that magically holds and peddles items that never sell despite being 50% cheaper than every other item ever. Ever.

Plus, the additional servers needed to offset the lag of now ever-present cat shops will no doubt reverse what little gains people would garner from turning their computers off, so I still get to destroy the world one carbon atom at a time.

Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973

My post never even addressed the wasted bandwidth of the server sending updates to afk clients.

I should add that >O

Phoenix - Dreamweaver

Methinks a more streamlined auction function would do far more good, though. And it serves the added benefit of reducing Archosaur lag. And I hate the way catshops look and demand the immediate attention of PWI's development team in ameliorating my malcontent. I'M A NON-PAYING CUSTOMER.

tweakz

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

397.

That's how many AFK catshops I just counted in Arch at the time of this posting in Sanctuary. 397 computers left on to idle without any direct use by people.

I'm using mine to earn game coin and download movies, games, tv programs, programs, etc. -That is direct use.

Let's assume each of these computers is consuming a modest 100W (the same as two light bulbs). That's 6,670 kWh every week (over $800 USD of electricty) going to these cat shops. That is just absurd.

Yeah.. less than 1% of my wages is absurd.

Imagine if we could save that.

- We would save enough energy to power 52 homes.
- We would prevent 3.97 tons of weekly carbon dioxide emissions
- We would have the equivalent carbon offset of planting 20,384 trees (enough trees to cover 34 acres of rainforest)

Powering homes is bad for the environment.
Carbon Dioxide helps plants flourish.
Oceanic plants create most of our oxygen.

These numbers are for Sanctuary alone.

Outside of PWI, there are other MMOs. PWI is single handedly feeding the rain forests C02?

The benefit of eliminating cat shops is real. The question now is how to go about doing it.

Stop playing. The benefit of you quitting is real.

If catshops were eliminated entirely tomorrow what would happen?

I'd have less incentive to play. People playing is profitable, while people quitting isn't.

People would complain at first for sure but I think they would adapt quickly to use the AH and trade chat.

As long as AH charges, people will complain.

Perhaps catshops could be made obsolete by a cash shop item that allows you to setup a stall without having your computer on.

I admit I don't have the answer but I see the problem.

-Ast

As long as you are hooked on technology: you are part of the problem. You're simply pointing fingers at people like you and expecting them to be less like you. Go live off the land, start a powerless commune, etc. - Asking too much? Pointing the finger gets you?

ps: dhmo is water. C02 is a necessity for plants. Don't fall for the environmentalist propaganda, or the anti environment religious propaganda. There are far more worth causes regarding the environment than worrying about C02.

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

Stop playing. The benefit of you quitting is real.

lol

Baalbak - Dreamweaver

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

- We would save enough energy to power 52 homes.
- We would prevent 3.97 tons of weekly carbon dioxide emissions
- We would have the equivalent carbon offset of planting 20,384 trees (enough trees to cover 34 acres of rainforest)

wait a minute there! you can't see the forest for the trees can you? All this time you've been ranting about how catshops are polluting the globe, but you don't seem to realize that the true enemy here is the internet! I mean, think about it... all those routers and servers being left on constantly. Just imagine the amount of energy it must be consuming! We must take action at once! Forget about trying to shut down a few servers here and there - we wouldn't be able to make a big enough impact. We must take more drastic measures. The only thing we can do is call upon Daniel Faraday and Eloise Hawking to deliver us back in time before DARPA began their research. Only then can this catastrophe be averted. Only then can we be at peace. Good luck my compatriot.. we have our work cut out for us.

KeikoSoma - Sanctuary

Phoenix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Now that I've worked the sarcasm out of my system - for now, anyway - this:



I want this. You see this, PWI? If you can't get a workable search function on your auction house, this will suffice, because it will allow me to abandon my undercut items amidst the unnavigable dross of catshops in Archosaur and go about my adventuring business, pretending all the while that someone may actually come across it and buy my items.

lol at the AH XD

Oh but isn't it so much more fun to sit there and pretend you're AFK until your friends come to loiter at your shop and leave lude comments and then you jump out and go SURPRISE! I wasn't really AFK! b:laugh

Honestly, since I can't go questing, what else can I do whilst a cat shop? homework? psssht

MagicHamsta - Lost City

Whut?
Stop Dharpma?

Great Idea!

PartyAnimal - Harshlands

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Whut?
Stop Dharpma?

Great Idea!

What the....

Baalbak - Dreamweaver

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

Whut?
Stop Dharpma?

Great Idea!

yeah them too!

MagicHamsta - Lost City

PartyAnimal - Harshlands wrote: »

What the....

Baalbak - Dreamweaver wrote: »

yeah them too!

*cough LOST reference cough*
b:surrender