FB tabbers dont deserve drops

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  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    what part is so hard ?
    TABBER keeps drops u get exp and rep

    If that is what was agreed up front. Nothing wrong with any arrangement of who gets what as long as everyone in the party is happy about it. (if they are not happy, the person that is not happy can always leave)
    The tabber also gets exp and rep. Although that is irrelevant for this post.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Nubble - Heavens Tear
    Nubble - Heavens Tear Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    If that is what was agreed up front. Nothing wrong with any arrangement of who gets what as long as everyone in the party is happy about it. (if they are not happy, the person that is not happy can always leave)
    The tabber also gets exp and rep. Although that is irrelevant for this post.

    tabbers exp will be very low as if u didnt know
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    tabbers exp will be very low as if u didnt know

    It is proportional to the exp they get for quests their level, so if you look in absolute numbers, yes, it is very low, if you look at what % of their experiece the FB represents, than it is mostly inline. But that is getting us off topic.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Nubble - Heavens Tear
    Nubble - Heavens Tear Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    It is proportional to the exp they get for quests their level, so if you look in absolute numbers, yes, it is very low, if you look at what % of their experiece the FB represents, than it is mostly inline. But that is getting us off topic.

    i didnt even read that but i assume u think that tabbers dun deserve drops?
    riite ?
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I said I have done a few, I never said I have done them all. Not sure if you can do FB19 at level 19, since after we got help we leveled, and we were no longer level 19 by the time we did another run. (sigh, let me clarify, we did not level the momemt we finished the FB, but by the time we went on another we had already leveled)

    I know people that have done FBs at level. If you spend a little of time and do a search in forums, you will see that some people actualy do them (and you will see me tell them it will be easier for them to just get some high level help).

    Yes, we had partywipes. That is part of learning how to play. Pretty sure you had party wipes before as well. Sometimes happens.

    You must have had a slow party on the FB39.... With 4 level 80+s, 1 level 70+, and the tabber (guess who the level 70+ was), we have done it in just about 20 minutes. And of course it was wined. I had already helped the tabber with the side quests inside, no point not using wine in it.

    Try reading what the post says instead of what you think it says. The statement "I have done a few FBs with a party my level" does not invalidate the statement, "a friend and I could not complete a FB19 when we both tried".
    A few implies more than one. One FB we could not do is just that, one FB we could not do.

    The part in bold was that the low level player had no chance in hell to run the FB. That poster and I already clarified that he ment that the low level player had no chance to do solo runs for drops.

    @Sylvana. I wish I could purify :)

    I've found that it is possible to run EVERY FB with a party of people no more than 5 levels higher than the FB, and in many cases, right on top of the level. It comes down to knowing your strengths, and your fellow party members well. We do it all the time, and if we have even one death, we've screwed something up badly. Being careful is a must.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i didnt even read that but i assume u think that tabbers dun deserve drops?
    riite ?

    I thought we were talking about exp.

    When I run FBs, I always let the tabber get whatever drops he/she wants (sometimes they do end up running out of space, and I will help them carry the stuff out). I always go over that with the tabber, as well as going over what to do, and I check if they have side quests or cult bosses they also need help, just to make it clear. However, I think the important thing for the tabber and the people running the FB is to agree up front on who gets what. It does not hurt to be clear about it, that way people have a chance to leave if they do not agree with the arrangements.
    As far as I am concerned, there is no right way to do it, it is up to the people involved to come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.

    ** PS - i really wish PWE would add a spellchecker to the boards, I get tired of having to go back and edit spelling mistakes.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Firstknight - Sanctuary
    Firstknight - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    If you dont think its worht it, then dont help with fb's. There is no rule in the game that states you have to help. So, no one should complain about it at all. You want to help others, or you don't. You want to do something other than grind, or you don't. Your choice. I, myself dont mind helping others once in a while, even without reward. Its not really helping if you get a big reward. Its being a hired gun.
  • Nubble - Heavens Tear
    Nubble - Heavens Tear Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    there is rite way tabber keeps drops very simple
  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ** PS - i really wish PWE would add a spellchecker to the boards, I get tired of having to go back and edit spelling mistakes.

    Use Firefox, Ice. Highlights all spelling errors in red.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    there is rite way tabber keeps drops very simple

    As far as you are concerned, or in your opinion.

    You have the right to believe in that and run your FBs that way, I run them the same way. However if the tabber aggrees to something else, why is that wrong? (we do have to assume that the tabber has half a clue, and it is not a brand new player being taken advantage off)
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Use Firefox, Ice. Highlights all spelling errors in red.

    OO thanks for the heads up. <Downloading it now>
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Singsung - Sanctuary
    Singsung - Sanctuary Posts: 121 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I'm sure there are plenty of FB runners that are happy to let the tabber keep all of his/her drops.
  • Nubble - Heavens Tear
    Nubble - Heavens Tear Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I thought we were talking about exp.

    When I run FBs, I always let the tabber get whatever drops he/she wants (sometimes they do end up running out of space, and I will help them carry the stuff out). I always go over that with the tabber, as well as going over what to do, and I check if they have side quests or cult bosses they also need help, just to make it clear. However, I think the important thing for the tabber and the people running the FB is to agree up front on who gets what. It does not hurt to be clear about it, that way people have a chance to leave if they do not agree with the arrangements.
    As far as I am concerned, there is no right way to do it, it is up to the people involved to come up with a solution that makes everyone happy.

    ** PS - i really wish PWE would add a spellchecker to the boards, I get tired of having to go back and edit spelling mistakes.

    this is perfect world international not pw-usa my-en and so on..so my english sux and i dun care lalala
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    this is perfect world international not pw usa..so my english sux and i dun care lalala

    lol It bugs me when I see something I typed that is obviously a typo. But soon I will have firefox running :)
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • Nubble - Heavens Tear
    Nubble - Heavens Tear Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    lol It bugs me when I see something I typed that is obviously a typo. But soon I will have firefox running :)
    if it bugs u so much go play tetris or smt noone cares
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Nubble - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if it bugs u so much go play tetris or smt noone cares

    Guess I could let if slide a few times
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »
    its really interesting here to see people actually starting to come out and defend the other side of the argument, rather than so incoherently spew brands of insults because someone disagrees with a tradition.

    really, like stated in someones earlier post, it was a trend started by the high level TW factions who had money and didnt need it from these FBs. IE, greedy mongers of FBs who would do anything to get rep. why is it now, every one must follow suit just to get in on an FB?

    THERE IS NO RULE IN THE TOS STATING I NEED TO GIVE MOLDS / 3* TO A TABBER.

    yet, its insisted upon as if the reward on our end is simply enough.
    exp- you can get 3-4x more leveling on a scroll
    spirit- same
    rep- could probably match this with OMA or JQ.

    so what be the point of the FB, if i can easily compensate for one with other methods you may ask? that slight chance a mold will come to me on random, thats what.

    call me greedy, inconsiderate, a coward, whatever you may, but the point remains,
    this is nothing but a trend started by 'greedy' FB wh0res, which in turn makes the tabbers greedy. break the trend, make things fair for everyone. swimming with the school of fish may be the popular way, but it doesnt make it the right way. (especially with a helluva tuna net like this)

    It is fair for everyone already, and if you don't like it either don't do FBs for others, or try to force your terms down everyone else's throat and see how far you get.


    What you are doing is akin to pissing into the wind: it doesn't accomplish anything except make you stink.
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  • FedTehNoob - Lost City
    FedTehNoob - Lost City Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »
    its really interesting here to see people actually starting to come out and defend the other side of the argument, rather than so incoherently spew brands of insults because someone disagrees with a tradition.

    really, like stated in someones earlier post, it was a trend started by the high level TW factions who had money and didnt need it from these FBs. IE, greedy mongers of FBs who would do anything to get rep. why is it now, every one must follow suit just to get in on an FB?

    THERE IS NO RULE IN THE TOS STATING I NEED TO GIVE MOLDS / 3* TO A TABBER.

    yet, its insisted upon as if the reward on our end is simply enough.
    exp- you can get 3-4x more leveling on a scroll
    spirit- same
    rep- could probably match this with OMA or JQ.

    so what be the point of the FB, if i can easily compensate for one with other methods you may ask? that slight chance a mold will come to me on random, thats what.

    call me greedy, inconsiderate, a coward, whatever you may, but the point remains,
    this is nothing but a trend started by 'greedy' FB wh0res, which in turn makes the tabbers greedy. break the trend, make things fair for everyone. swimming with the school of fish may be the popular way, but it doesnt make it the right way. (especially with a helluva tuna net like this)

    You're not a people person, are you? b:lipcurl
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  • Zoe - Heavens Tear
    Zoe - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,814 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    So, you got banned, now you are circumventing that ban which gives an even bigger ban.

    Fact: You would not even be in that dungeon if it wasn't for the tabber.

    Fact: If you want molds you can go kill the bosses yourself without a tabber.
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  • TheGoliath - Heavens Tear
    TheGoliath - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,667 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    I did 3 fbs 69 yesterday, was like 30k and 10 rep each boss

    u do the math, better than grind and I was very gratefull to the tabbers, I also gave a cape that dropped to the his "real" owner
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  • AndromedaB - Sanctuary
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary Posts: 1,376 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    lol i never give tabbers molds unless they use it themselves and if they cant it goes to someone who can then if nobody can really use it, it goes to whoever picked up the drop
    srsly, a barb spamming/complaining that he didnt get a WoF just pisses me off
  • OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear
    OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,327 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »
    it is in no way fair to give a multimillion dollar drop to a person whod probably end up doing the same thing id do with it, just because they made us gain a little bit of exp. (IE a cleric tabber getting calamities in FB70)

    Sure it is. High levels can get that much with relative ease compared to the lower levels, and it isn't the XP that matters most, it's the Rep. The XP is just icing on the cake.
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    AndromedaB - Sanctuary wrote: »
    lol i never give tabbers molds unless they use it themselves and if they cant it goes to someone who can then if nobody can really use it, it goes to whoever picked up the drop
    srsly, a barb spamming/complaining that he didnt get a WoF just pisses me off

    That's one of the reasons I don't understand why ALL molds go to tabber.
  • IceJazmin - Heavens Tear
    IceJazmin - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,206 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's one of the reasons I don't understand why ALL molds go to tabber.

    Because factions with lots of land started that to get more FBs. They did not care about the money, since they were getting 200-300mil a week, and they wanted the rep (even though they may have been better off just using their share to buy stamps). Than, as more and more people leveled up, we ended up with 20 rooms of FB helpers, each trying to outdo the next. If this really was only about helping, you would see those same factions also hosting Cult Bosses rooms, so there should be 20 FB rooms and 20 Cult bosses rooms.

    This has nothing to do with doing the right thing, it boils down to a marketing gimmick in order to get as many FBs as possible. After all, if you just sit there and wait for someone to stop by, you will be wasting hours waiting for a FB.

    But, when it comes down to it, as long as everyone in the party is happy with whatever arrangement, it all works out.
    Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.
  • _malkavian_ - Dreamweaver
    _malkavian_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That's one of the reasons I don't understand why ALL molds go to tabber.

    cause is the tabber fb xP if you get nothing but a empty cup of coffee ( thats sad T_T ) in your fb then bad luck xP blame the system and run fb`s (without tabs xP ) to get what you were looking for . I remember when i was looking for the SS T_T i didnt get it xP so i was farming the fb without tabs to get it xP
    And would you give a mold in YOUR fb to someone if you cannot use it ? xP . Even in dreamweaver ( the "new" server ) ppl give the drops to the tabber xP even if they know that ppl buy 3* stuff for a good amount of money and pay 1 mill for a mold o_O

    And i feel good when the tabber get a mold cause that means he or she will get what i couldnt when i tried and he or she will be happy and keep playing xP . And i help with fb`s cause i like to do something different than questing - grinding or justice xP

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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    _malkavian_ - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    cause is the tabber fb xP if you get nothing but a empty cup of coffee ( thats sad T_T ) in your fb then bad luck xP blame the system and run fb`s (without tabs xP ) to get what you were looking for . I remember when i was looking for the SS T_T i didnt get it xP so i was farming the fb without tabs to get it xP

    I run FB's without tabs all the time. Example: The quest that requires you to kill Myriadtail Wyvern, after you've already gotten the FB done. I went there with a group the other day. In a bit of hilarity... We had no cleric. Didn't stop us from butchering the hell out of him, though. 2 Barbs, 3 Venos and an Archer > FB 51. b:laugh
  • Chefstabs - Heavens Tear
    Chefstabs - Heavens Tear Posts: 52 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Well i tanked many fb's i always let the tabber get drops but most of the times
    we know each other. I just did my fb69 with some friends in enrage and a couple factions they friends of are faction i got a mold they were happy for me just to get it soo advise do your fb with friends and people you trust.Or agree to drops
  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    What happened to helping people because you COULD and for the satisfaction that you just helped another newbie get their awesome new set of skills.

    This, my friends, is why the world is going to hell in a pooper scooper.
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  • Isala - Sanctuary
    Isala - Sanctuary Posts: 1,607 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    StormHydra - Sanctuary wrote: »
    What happened to helping people because you COULD and for the satisfaction that you just helped another newbie get their awesome new set of skills.

    This, my friends, is why the world is going to hell in a pooper scooper.

    Not exactly recent news. We've been going this way for ages. We knew it then, and we know it now. Only difference is the vast communication systems we have now to cause more of a panic.
  • _malkavian_ - Dreamweaver
    _malkavian_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited July 2009
    Isala - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not exactly recent news. We've been going this way for ages. We knew it then, and we know it now. Only difference is the vast communication systems we have now to cause more of a panic.

    theres pwi in hell ? D:
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