FB tabbers dont deserve drops
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By the way I did an FB with some faction members one time. We did FB 59. The first 3 bosses dropped a mold for the tabber. We all teased her and said if all 5 did she owed us all something big! But we never ONCE asked her for one! I have had 1 mold drop for me and it wasn't even in a tabbed FB. It was one I did untabbed with 2 other friends and they gave me the mold. That is the ONLY mold I've ever received so with odds like that heck yea.. if one drops I want it![SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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I have something that i haven't really heard in regard to this before. Why not allow it to be random who gets the mold drops? Not to be greedy, but this just makes more sense. how many FB's do you get? at the most about 9 in your lifetime. Now how many FB's do you run for others? many many more than that. So it makes sense to everyone who is serious about the game that the drops should be given randomly for everyone who plays this for the long haul, and its the people who are playing for the long haul who really deserve the mold drops anyways. Hope my point was clear, i think it makes far more sense to random drop. Although the OP was a punk! tabbers deserve mold drops far more than the OP does, and just as much as everyone else.0
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This would only make complete sense if you ALWAYS did FB's with the same squad (except tabber of course)
It would however; make a lot of sense if you did UNTABBED fb's with the same squad over and over.Chiv - Lost City wrote: »I have something that i haven't really heard in regard to this before. Why not allow it to be random who gets the mold drops? Not to be greedy, but this just makes more sense. how many FB's do you get? at the most about 9 in your lifetime. Now how many FB's do you run for others? many many more than that. So it makes sense to everyone who is serious about the game that the drops should be given randomly for everyone who plays this for the long haul, and its the people who are playing for the long haul who really deserve the mold drops anyways. Hope my point was clear, i think it makes far more sense to random drop. Although the OP was a punk! tabbers deserve mold drops far more than the OP does, and just as much as everyone else.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Chiv - Lost City wrote: »I have something that i haven't really heard in regard to this before. Why not allow it to be random who gets the mold drops? Not to be greedy, but this just makes more sense. how many FB's do you get? at the most about 9 in your lifetime. Now how many FB's do you run for others? many many more than that. So it makes sense to everyone who is serious about the game that the drops should be given randomly for everyone who plays this for the long haul, and its the people who are playing for the long haul who really deserve the mold drops anyways. Hope my point was clear, i think it makes far more sense to random drop. Although the OP was a punk! tabbers deserve mold drops far more than the OP does, and just as much as everyone else.
If it is a wined run 59+ tabber DEFINITELY gets the drops. Take TT for example, subber always gets 1st pick of drops because they paid the money to sub it. So if a tabber pays the money for wine to make the fb easier to complete they should get the drops.
Also even for unwined I think that tabber should get the drops, in the 6 person squad the tabber should be the lowest level therefore should need the drops the most, whether that's to sell or to use. Their tab, their fb, they are inviting you, so they get the drops. Currently there are far more people willing to help with fbs than there are people needing help with fbs, so if you don't let the tabber keep the drops he/she will just go find someone else that will.0 -
Yes, and for that matter I've even seen some factions willing to PAY the tabber to LET them do their FB. So not only are they giving them all the drops they are also paying them for the exp and rep. Apparently some people think the exp and rep and spirit are worth it for sure.Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »Currently there are far more people willing to help with fbs than there are people needing help with fbs, so if you don't let the tabber keep the drops he/she will just go find someone else that will.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes, and for that matter I've even seen some factions willing to PAY the tabber to LET them do their FB. So not only are they giving them all the drops they are also paying them for the exp and rep. Apparently some people think the exp and rep and spirit are worth it for sure.
I have also seen helpers charging for their services, and people use them anyways.
Apparently some people think that having higher levels helping them is worth it for sure.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
I haven't seen this, but I feel sorry for the newb who pays for an FB to be done. In all honesty its better to make good friends who are trustworthy and nice and do your fbs with them all the time. Same people pretty much have helped me with almost every fb on all my characters. I trust them, they trust me and its all win/win
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »I have also seen helpers charging for their services, and people use them anyways.
Apparently some people think that having higher levels helping them is worth it for sure.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
mikeymanman wrote: »They don't, period, end of story. It is ridiculous that these children have the audacity to sit back and do nothing most of the time, then expect to reap the rewards, and leave us runners empty handed. That is a quest they could not accomplish otherwise alone, and they are recieving a favor. Undoubtedly, one could expect more than just a miniscule amount of reputation and experience as gratitude!
I do not know... I can see some validity in different approaches for handling drops. However, none of your arguments make any sense to me. If tabbers were so useless, you should be doing FBs without them?mikeymanman wrote: »So hats off to you greedy piglet noobs!
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I hate how the nubs come to my house and force me to run their fbs for them. And they even demand all drops. The nerve of these nubs, I tell you!.0
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Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »you deserve a reward.
youre the only person not to make a complete fool of themselves in this thread by displaying your skepticism in a dignified manner sans insults.
hurray for you.
You might want to go back and re-read the original post in the thread just in case you forgot what you posted, tear.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
DollParts - Sanctuary wrote: »someone thinks this person deserves respect?
If the OP's "opinion" is that all "noobs" are "greedy" "piglet" "noobs" that do not "deserve" any money..
then my "opinion" would be that the "OP" "deserves" a swift "kick" in the "balls".
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mikeymanman wrote: »Little noobs do not 'deserve' million dollar molds, and the thought that they do makes them as 'greedy' as he who wants a share or to take that mold!
So hats off to you greedy piglet noobs!
Pot calling kettle black?
You're getting rep and XP and now you want molds?
Do you give your molds and items away in your own fb?b:bye0 -
Mothergoose - Sanctuary wrote: »The bottom line is, it's a matter of supply and demand. It used to be that higher levels are rare, and lowbies would be happy enough just to get any help at all. Nowdays, if you don't want to do it on tabber's terms, there are many others who will.
No one is forcing you to do fbs, if you don't like the terms, you're free to leave.
What he/she said and don't you get spirit.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0 -
$tarFire - Heavens Tear wrote: »The reason I don't agree with you on your views is simply. Everyone starts off in the same place. Someone had to help you achieve your fb as well as I. As far as getting nothing while doing this you get great exp, spirit points and the satisfaction that your a helpful person. You should be thanking the person who has let you into their fb!
BTW I'm currently level 81 and have yet to receive a mold dropping for any of my FB's, but I still get excited when someone else gets one. I guess I'm not selfish that way.
yes $tarFire have right b:victory. Btw if u (post thread maker ) think the tabber doesnt deserve drops, call me to your FBs and ill take your drops b:laugh including mold b:laughb:chuckle
I helped ppl with FBs and i gave drops back(i even told to friends when i soloed fb19 with my veno to set free squad setting so they can take all even from mobs ), ITS FAIR !! every1 from his FB want his mold or ☆☆☆ items even if it is a player lvl 19 or 99 . GIVE THEM BACK MOLDS AND GOOD DROPS FROM BOSS THEY GIVE U EXP AND SPIRITS FROM FB.Items and drops can be sold and money go fast, but exp and spirits remain on u for lvl up and skills.Ppl are talking alot with friends, they have many alts too, u can lose many FBs if u r rude.If some1 will run with my 3 star item or a mold , ill buy teles and ill call his name on world chat every day and in forums too, no1 doesnt like thieves or beggers(lazy ppl)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I would argue that newbs deserve million dollar molds for precisely the fact that you're here ranting that they don't.Little noobs do not 'deserve' million dollar molds, and the thought that they do makes them as 'greedy' as he who wants a share or to take that mold!
So hats off to you greedy piglet noobs!
This game (and every game for that matter), has more than enough greedy, self-obsessed high levels. We all need to help the lowbies more, with or without reward. In fact, the state of the fb system is IMO one of the few examples of encouraging charity work, as it were (and even this has its flaws, because if your tab gets bugged or something, your former team won't give you the time of day).
Personally, I never ask strangers or WC for help on FBs anymore. The last time I tried, I sent out a WC for factionless people to PM me for a spot in my Cleric alt's fb29 (I thought I would share the love with my fellow freelancers). All but one person who responded was in a faction, quickly stating that they "didn't see" my request in the midst of hyperventilating upon seeing "FB." What's more, when I finally entered the dungeon, 75% of the monsters were already dead and the team was swiftly making short work of Quinzi's leiutenants. I suppose the poor souls just about died waiting for my 4.8m/s caster class to run through the empty dungeon and put in her tab.
But what do I know, apparently getting that foruth Immaculate shard for your armor so you can validate the sad amount of time you spend on a video game is more important than giving a newbie the feeling that some people actually like to help them succeed. Forget that, the only person of importance is you.
Really I don't understand the issue here, if you have a problem doing FBs unless you get drops, then don't do FBs. Do your justice quests and your OMAs and maybe just enjoy what you have for once. If you really have some terrible need to get faster rep, then go do FBs and don't gripe about the repair costs.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Come to think of it, I wanna come too since Mikey so freely gives everything up out of his own FBs.CRYSTY - Sanctuary wrote: »yes $tarFire have right b:victory. Btw if u (post thread maker ) think the tabber doesnt deserve drops, call me to your FBs and ill take your drops b:laugh including mold b:laughb:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »I would argue that newbs deserve million dollar molds for precisely the fact that you're here ranting that they don't.
This game (and every game for that matter), has more than enough greedy, self-obsessed high levels. We all need to help the lowbies more, with or without reward. In fact, the state of the fb system is IMO one of the few examples of encouraging charity work, as it were (and even this has its flaws, because if your tab gets bugged or something, your former team won't give you the time of day).
Personally, I never ask strangers or WC for help on FBs anymore. The last time I tried, I sent out a WC for factionless people to PM me for a spot in my Cleric alt's fb29 (I thought I would share the love with my fellow freelancers). All but one person who responded was in a faction, quickly stating that they "didn't see" my request in the midst of hyperventilating upon seeing "FB." What's more, when I finally entered the dungeon, 75% of the monsters were already dead and the team was swiftly making short work of Quinzi's room. I suppose the poor souls just about died waiting for my 4.8m/s caster class to run through the empty dungeon and put in her tab.
But what do I know, apparently getting that foruth Immaculate shard for your armor so you can validate the sad amount of time you spend on a video game is more important than giving a newbie the feeling that some people actually like to help them succeed. Forget that, the only person of importance is you.
Really I don't understand the issue here, if you have a problem doing FBs unless you get drops, then don't do FBs. Do your justice quests and your OMAs and maybe just enjoy what you have for once. If you really have some terrible need to get faster rep, then go do FBs and don't gripe about the repair costs.
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Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »This forum is just a cesspool of degradent, hedonistic, jackals. People cant even make a post without having to deal with insults being fired from every corner. Do any of you hug or hold hands with a signifcant other that you all type these vulgar, profane, hurtful words at each other with? Its disgusting.
Honestly this topic is completely BS. If you have a problem with the way things work in FBs i.e. the tabber getting the drops/molds he wants, dont do FBs. No one is forcing you do do FBs. There are plenty of us who would #1 gladly help lower people out for the sake of helping #2 need the exp #3 would like the rep.
By the way this is in response to Aisubeki's post. Congratulations. You can use a dictionary or thesaurus. Learn to speak without them otherwise you won't be able to function in the real world. Oh on second thought, you fail at using them now that I look closer.0 -
Well she basically called the forums a cesspool. I guess we can assume she's just another **** here? b:chuckleLacusCIyne - Sanctuary wrote: »By the way this is in response to Aisubeki's post. Congratulations. You can use a dictionary or thesaurus. Learn to speak without them otherwise you won't be able to function in the real world. Oh on second thought, you fail at using them now that I look closer.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Generally, threads with a theme of "let's rob newbies of one of the few nice things we do for them" should get this kind of treatment.
I mean, I'm all for arguing against an opinion shared by 99% of the masses, but that alone should not merit a thread like this. That's like saying "I should argue that murder is good because 99% of people believe the opposite."
Altruism is part of human nature. Argue blatantly against it if you want, but don't be surprised when the dissenting opinions roll in. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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mikeymanman wrote: »They don't, period, end of story. It is ridiculous that these children have the audacity to sit back and do nothing most of the time, then expect to reap the rewards, and leave us runners empty handed. That is a quest they could not accomplish otherwise alone, and they are recieving a favor. Undoubtedly, one could expect more than just a miniscule amount of reputation and experience as gratitude!
On the other hand, for every person like me, there is a conformist willing to abide by these rules in order to fufill his own agenda as reputation is hard to come by. One can attempt Justice Quests, and One Man Armies within about an hours time, amass some experience, and a sliver of rep. Or they can work in a similar amount of time for nearly double the reputation these give.
Either way, one is working, and one should recieve rewards for doing such.
The tanker, he will undoubtedly have rapidly diminishing durability on his equipment, and charm as he holds the aggression of the mobs at hand. The healer, will suffer the same fate as the tanker if not even more if he required to use Regeneration Aura for said mob. The list can surmount to numerous reasons of why the runners would need disbursment from a share of expensive molds!
Little noobs do not 'deserve' million dollar molds, and the thought that they do makes them as 'greedy' as he who wants a share or to take that mold!
So hats off to you greedy piglet noobs!
Sooo Fail..First off, at any given time in world chat you will see people offering help with fb's and clearly stating that tabbers keep drops. For those of us who are higher lvl such as 60+ there is nothing good but exp that an fb19-49 could possibly reward me. So I honestly wouldnt want drops that are pathetic compared to my current level. For those who do offer the help and allow the tabber to keep the drops show that they are far from greedy and help to promote a friendly community that you dont get from other MMO's. Anytime i do an fb with a lower level player, i will clearly tell them up front to stay back out of range out of aoe so that the tabber doesnt end up dead
Dead tabber = failed fb.....which in return = no cake for you
So I have to ask if possibly, just maybe the OP is in fact a whining noob.
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Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »Generally, threads with a theme of "let's rob newbies of one of the few nice things we do for them" should get this kind of treatment.
I mean, I'm all for arguing against an opinion shared by 99% of the masses, but that alone should not merit a thread like this. That's like saying "I should argue that murder is good because 99% of people believe the opposite."
Altruism is part of human nature. Argue blatantly against it if you want, but don't be surprised when the dissenting opinions roll in. :P
Actualy is more like the herd mentality. People are conditioned to go with the flow, and even if deep inside one agree's with the OP, most people will go with the herd instead of standing their ground. You also have a little cross into the entitlement-generation here, people keep thinking they are "entitled" to things, on both sides of the argument.
Low level needs help (or he would not be looking for a high level squad to run the FB), high levels are bored with grinding and want to run some FBs to take a break. Drops set to random. That is about as fair as it gets. Everyone gets what they want (low level gets help, high levels get exp/rep), and the drops go to whomever. If people on top of being fair want to be nice and generous, than it would make sense for the high level to give the new player that 100k mold that dropped, since the high levels have no need for it, and it would mean the world to the new player.
On a side note. People should respect whatever terms were agreed to at the begining of the FB, and if the terms are not what you want, than leave party. That goes for both the tabber and the rest of the party.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Aisubeki - Sanctuary wrote: »This forum is just a cesspool of degradent, hedonistic, jackals. People cant even make a post without having to deal with insults being fired from every corner. Do any of you hug or hold hands with a signifcant other that you all type these vulgar, profane, hurtful words at each other with? Its disgusting.
The irony is not lost on me.Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »or let him present his opinion, and give him your own opinion back without being a **** over it. is that hard, or do you have one shoved up your... nevermind.0 -
Teartroll - Sanctuary wrote: »or youre all a bunch of asses who wont let a man speak.
the only reason ur post is even here is that he is allowed to speak, but if someone were to speak of something stupid, others are entitled to express their own opinions of his stupidity.b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Molds ARE useful for low levels, though. The molds dropped in FBs are usable by the levels you'd have to be to fight there.
I got my first FB mold last night, actually... the cleric alt I mentioned in my above post did her 39 last night (with personal friends and friends-of-friends... I NEVER ask strangers anymore), and got a Widow's Ghost Amulet mold from the last boss. Ultimately I put it in the AH (should still be in there, actually... I dunno how much it's worth so I started it at 500k just to test). I could've had her use it, and it would've actually helped her a bit... but ultimately I decided I'd rather have the cash.
And that's just the thing... newbies could REALLY use the cash! Inventory stones, safe stones, their first mounts/aerogears, even skills... trust me, a newbie can make more use out of 500k than a high level can. I could blow 500k on skills alone in 60 seconds and I'd barely put a dent in my available skills.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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If people start grabbing this "the newbs deserve nothing and I should get the mold b/c its YOUR Fb" attitude. Simply 2 things will happen.
1. People will start waiting for the people who will not take their things or wait them to get online to run fbs. Most ppl don't want to wait but I'm betting if a lot of ppl had that mentality it would be no problem for some1 to wait it out.
2. Newbs will start waiting til they are a level to do the FB without help of extremely high levels.
Entitlement doesn't mean much. For instance I had my first TT run when I needed the quest. The quest got me in there but I didn't get not 1 drop, not even a piece of skeleton. I was so irritated by this I actually just walked away without asking for anything. Sadly the only thing I really wanted was the mirages, they could have kept the broken drums for all I cared.
Next Fb run I did was for some1 else, they got miffed when we asked for anything. They felt we should do it for nothing. Unlike FB's where you get exp and rep, in TT you get squat. And usually end up using way more charm than you would if you grind that much exp you get in TT. Now that being said... in a TT run everyone deserves something, and they have rights to ask for it.
But why would you want anything out of an FB 19 or 29 if you are level 50 or 60 or higher? Greed would be it from my view. The drops nor molds are your level nor would they benefit you in any way other than monetary. And not much at that.
This of course is a broken record that just keeps smacking the needle!
In the end, if you don't like the terms don't do the FB. Could even go as far to say there is no rule about it. The tabber can make the rules and if others don't agree they are out of luck!IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actualy is more like the herd mentality. People are conditioned to go with the flow, and even if deep inside one agree's with the OP, most people will go with the herd instead of standing their ground. You also have a little cross into the entitlement-generation here, people keep thinking they are "entitled" to things, on both sides of the argument.
Low level needs help (or he would not be looking for a high level squad to run the FB), high levels are bored with grinding and want to run some FBs to take a break. Drops set to random. That is about as fair as it gets. Everyone gets what they want (low level gets help, high levels get exp/rep), and the drops go to whomever. If people on top of being fair want to be nice and generous, than it would make sense for the high level to give the new player that 100k mold that dropped, since the high levels have no need for it, and it would mean the world to the new player.
On a side note. People should respect whatever terms were agreed to at the begining of the FB, and if the terms are not what you want, than leave party. That goes for both the tabber and the rest of the party.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actualy is more like the herd mentality. People are conditioned to go with the flow, and even if deep inside one agree's with the OP, most people will go with the herd instead of standing their ground. You also have a little cross into the entitlement-generation here, people keep thinking they are "entitled" to things, on both sides of the argument.
Low level needs help (or he would not be looking for a high level squad to run the FB), high levels are bored with grinding and want to run some FBs to take a break. Drops set to random. That is about as fair as it gets. Everyone gets what they want (low level gets help, high levels get exp/rep), and the drops go to whomever. If people on top of being fair want to be nice and generous, than it would make sense for the high level to give the new player that 100k mold that dropped, since the high levels have no need for it, and it would mean the world to the new player.
On a side note. People should respect whatever terms were agreed to at the begining of the FB, and if the terms are not what you want, than leave party. That goes for both the tabber and the rest of the party.
lol, IceJazmin b:chuckle ..100k for a low mold ? I have a low veno 31 lvl i run alone fb19 caves untabed and i sell these molds manufactured or not ..for 40-50k b:victory each..i saw greedy prices like 300k for mold Dark Cone Amulet..:(( its not fair this price for a lower lvl..and not all high lvls have low alts to buy for ,many are new players..
Yup im agree to give all back to that tabber and i bet he/she is very happy coz money or good equipment(3 stars) its very hard to get.I bet, a high lvl cant be rich with with a low lvl item, but im sure can have many FBs if she/he give back drops.I wish to create many low alts and do theyr FB to see if ppl are generous to give back drops..b:chuckle...Trap !! b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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CRYSTY - Sanctuary wrote: »lol, IceJazmin b:chuckle ..100k for a low mold ? I have a low veno 31 lvl i run alone fb19 caves untabed and i sell these molds manufactured or not ..for 40-50k b:victory each..i saw greedy prices like 300k for mold Dark Cone Amulet..:(( its not fair this price for a lower lvl..and not all high lvls have low alts to buy for ,many are new players..
Yup im agree to give all back to that tabber and i bet he/she is very happy coz money or good equipment(3 stars) its very hard to get.I bet, a high lvl cant be rich with with a low lvl item, but im sure can have many FBs if she/he give back drops.I wish to create many low alts and do theyr FB to see if ppl are generous to give back drops..b:chuckle...Trap !! b:laugh
I wish you were on my server.. I would put an order for some molds I can't find for my cleric....
In HT, most low level molds go for about 100k, on average, except for the magic sword one, which is quite alot more.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
mikeymanman wrote: »They don't, period, end of story. It is ridiculous that these children have the audacity to sit back and do nothing most of the time, then expect to reap the rewards, and leave us runners empty handed.
Far from empty handed. You get xp for doing something other than endlessly grinding on mobs, which is nice for a change, and you get the chance to be included in fbs of friends that you invite along. Or later on that person may continue to request you to come along on fbs, which equals even better xp/spirit rewards. This also gives you a chance to test your metal against bosses and mobs and see just how effectively you can solo so you can know your limits if faction members require assistance with non-fb bosses. I have no trouble doing fb's and helping the tabber as best I can to ensure they get their drops.
If you do, then don't run fbs, more for me XD0
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