Crude, almost worth leaving

Bowlinbob - Lost City

I dont feel like reading all the posts.. but if hasnt been said already..

Create a Curse Filter Option so people like the OP (who are easily offended) can trigger this option on or off/ allowing or not allowing certain words in chat.

Other games have features such as this.

Edit: forgot i cant put other games' names in here i think.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

The chat filter is a very good idea. And yes most games have them. And thank you Niraneth. You get what I'm saying. And thank you for respecting others enough to use your words appropriately in the appropriate places. I am thankful that you respect others enough to do this.

I did not start this thread to be yelled at or anger people. IF I had I certainly would have created a lvl 1 character to do it. And not used one of my mains. Thanks for the nice replies (even if I didn't agree with them) and BOOOO to the nasty haters! No sense in being disrespectful to anyone for the POV or opinion. I didn't hurt anyone with my posts!

Bowlinbob - Lost City

On a side note.. I hope that PWi doesnt remove the offensive language completely as most of the population doesnt have a problem with it. Ive seen othergames go down hill because of trying to make a game more *suitable for children*

First they remove the language, then more kids start playing. Then the sexually explicit clothing goes.. etc etc Adults leave as the game become more and more child-like.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

So are you saying that not liking cursing and sexual talk is childish? Wow do we as a nation sure have problems. Nothing is unacceptable anymore. If I am a child because I do not like otehr people to tell me about how good s*x was with their p**p this weekend then call me a kid. As I said Nothing seems unacceptable anymore.

Niraneth - Heavens Tear

Yes i have seen games that replace bad words with other words like "candy" lol....that would just make the inuendos worse i think lol. The suggestive clothing....well that doesnt offend me at all and that would be something up to parents to decide whether or not its appropriate for their child to play, and just think of what they see in the street now a days.

Hopefully Gm's are enforcing some rules and temp banning people who get too much. Ive said many a foul things but never some of the trash ive seen on WC from racial slurs to dirty bigotry to downright stupidity.

This is a good game with good people and a new member (a potential cash shop user) might not get to see that with garbage being spewed like that as soon as they log in. I mean a store owner wouldnt allow a bunch of teenagers to harass old ladies on the street before entering their place of business, that would equal bad rep for their business. It's a simple turn off from potential sales.

Chocooo - Lost City

Blame the anonymous factor of the internet.
In other countries you are required to provide your own identification in order to create an account, meaning players are forced to stick with one account.
If the players here are identified in a similar matter, there would be a lot less people who are willing to put their own reputation on the line just to trashtalk online.

Problem with this game is that everyone knows they can trashtalk and get away with it. The GMs can't do everything, and the players can send in a million reports.
But its very hard to just "ban someone" because they said something.

For your information though, I've seen many many times GMs broadcasting messages regarding the filth of worldchat, requesting that it be toned down.
That's as much as the GM can do.
As players, sometimes we really just need to think for ourselves.
If its offending you, ignore it and keep playing.
If you think its offensive for your kids to see this sort of thing, then good morning world, time to be a real parent, and take your kids off the internet.

If you are personally offended by all this, I'm sorry, you need to realize that you're going to see more of this not from just the internet by in reality as well.
Sometimes you just need to put up with it.

As for me, if I see worldchat is filled with filth, i move to party chat and chat it up with my friends instead. Worldchat for me is labelled as either the market or a place for people to flame each other anyways. If its entertaining, then I'll read it. If not, I'll ignore it. Put the remote control in your own hands, not the hands of GMs who can only do so much.

BratFury - Heavens Tear

Hopefully Gm's are enforcing some rules and temp banning people who get too much. Ive said many a foul things but never some of the trash ive seen on WC from racial slurs to dirty bigotry to downright stupidity.

This is a good game with good people and a new member (a potential cash shop user) might not get to see that with garbage being spewed like that as soon as they log in. I mean a store owner wouldnt allow a bunch of teenagers to harass old ladies on the street before entering their place of business, that would equal bad rep for their business. It's a simple turn off from potential sales.

I hadn't even considered that(about the new players), but that is a very good point. I wasn't going to bring the racial and bigotry stuff into the topic. But as you put it, that is offensive as well. The language and sexual vulgarity is only the icing on the cake. There are so many other things being said and done which aren't quite right as well.

RedsRose - Lost City

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

So are you saying that not liking cursing and sexual talk is childish? Wow do we as a nation sure have problems. Nothing is unacceptable anymore. If I am a child because I do not like otehr people to tell me about how good s*x was with their p**p this weekend then call me a kid. As I said Nothing seems unacceptable anymore.

What is offensive to one person may or may not be offensive to another.

^^^ This is where the issue lies. How do you judge or determine this? ^^^

Besides, these same "issues" that you talk about applies to society as a whole. Television, games, radio, magazines, people on the streets, etc.

You cannot censor society...in this case, PWI is a sort of "society" within itself. There are its bad seeds and there are the good sprouts.

As in life.....

Niraneth - Heavens Tear

too true. Yet pwi is in its own way a business as well and like i had said, a business owner wouldnt allow something like that to go on and affect his or her business without some sort of detterent. I think the main goal is to make something like this less acceptable then it is at the moment

On another side note, the "police force" of PWI is limited and relies on the players themselves to also screenie and report such nonsense

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Hopefully Gm's are enforcing some rules and temp banning people who get too much. Ive said many a foul things but never some of the trash ive seen on WC from racial slurs to dirty bigotry to downright stupidity.

This is a good game with good people and a new member (a potential cash shop user) might not get to see that with garbage being spewed like that as soon as they log in. I mean a store owner wouldnt allow a bunch of teenagers to harass old ladies on the street before entering their place of business, that would equal bad rep for their business. It's a simple turn off from potential sales.

I hadn't even considered that(about the new players), but that is a very good point. I wasn't going to bring the racial and bigotry stuff into the topic. But as you put it, that is offensive as well. The language and sexual vulgarity is only the icing on the cake. There are so many other things being said and done which aren't quite right as well.

If you don't like what is being said, switch to a different chat pane, and go into system settings, and make sure there are no chat channels enabled for that chat pane. Problem solved.


All you are doing in this thread is repeating the same thing over and over and over without seeming to read what is being posted in response to you unless it agrees with you 100%.

RedsRose - Lost City

Niraneth - Heavens Tear wrote: »

On another side note, the "police force" of PWI is limited and relies on the players themselves to also screenie and report such nonsense

^^^ This is the entire point!! ^^^

With the amount of players, the GM's do rely on us as a group to help them "police" the servers. The problem is one of two things: (1) People do not report anything, instead they just complain, there is a ticketing system for a reason or (2) Decide not to ever do anything or stop reporting because they "know" that nothing is being done.

This second part is probably the most common and the reason is because people want to and will believe what they will instead of realizing that the GM's have REPEATEDLY stated that they do not discuss disciplinary actions in the public setting.

b:surrender

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

BratFury - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If I am a child because I do not like otehr people to tell me about how good s*x was with their p**p this weekend then call me a kid. As I said Nothing seems unacceptable anymore.

Leave your guild, if they do not respect your believes, than just leave.
You can turn off WC and not loose anything, except some laughs once in awhile, you can almost turn off local while in a town, pretty sure you not going to miss anything either.. Trade is useless, so no loss turning it off.

That leaves guild and party.

You can just make your own guild and invite people like minded, that way if someone offends you, you can just kick them. Same with party, you can always leave if they do not stop talking in a way you do not like.

Niraneth - Heavens Tear

The ticketing system does work, especially when a majority is reporting the same thing. For example i remember a world chatter using the racial "N" word over and over and over again. Enough reports and screenies were made and that user disappeared in an hour. It may take a bit of time but i think with enough reports on the same person and they put that in a priority list.

I guess the bottom line is: It isnt such a Perfect World as we want to believe

Hasukurobi - Heavens Tear

To put it simply imagine trying to actually weed out all the bad language as a GM. On each server you may have thousands of users any one of which may at any time say something offensive. Ontop of that who knows what all some people consider offensive and others do not. So sometimes what someone who is very sensitive may find offensive the GM is going to look at and think "...This is really not very offensive. Maybe I will 'warn' the person to be a bit more careful but otherwise this does not justify any real action.". There is always someone who will find anything said offensive for some reason. However, there has never been a rite given that says "You have the rite to not be offended". The opposite is true you HAVE the Rite to be offended and express that you are offended in a non violent way but you cannot control everyone and everything like it or not.

I for one think those that try to shelter themselves (and their children) from the realities of life and people do themselves (and their children) a diservice because they disarm themselves (atc) when they encounter these realities. They have no idea what to do about it or what to even think about it. That is like sending someone onto a Frozen Tundra who knows nothing about cold without explaining that it can be deadly cold and that they will need to wear warm clothing and cover their nose, mouth, and head to conserve warmth and keep their lungs from freezing.

But anyway, that is my OPINION on the matter and as it is an OPINION much like the alternative arguement it cannot really be debated, so take it or leave it as you will, just think about it.

FedTehNoob - Lost City

There are immature people everywhere throughout life, not just PWI. Best thing you can do is ignore them. =\

Davechapelle - Sanctuary

The amount of whining people do on this game continues to amaze me, seriously the world doesn't revolve around you. Build a bridge and get over it. I don't understand how some of these people survive in the world, get so worked up over such miniscule things.

RedsRose - Lost City

Davechapelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

The amount of whining people do on this game continues to amaze me, seriously the world doesn't revolve around you. Build a bridge and get over it. I don't understand how some of these people survive in the world, get so worked up over such miniscule things.

^^ +1

Although the comeback you will receive is this: "The issue(s) is not minuscule to me and that is why I am bringing it up. I just want the GM's to know that this sort of thing should not be happening and that it is and does offend people. Children play this game and there should be something other then a ticketing system (that does not work) to help resolve this."

So not my thoughts but they are my words.

The answers are predictable on both sides of this topic. Not everyone will be pleased at all times!! And I can name many occasions and examples where this holds to be true!

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

This is a bit of a ridiculous topic to be complaining about. You have to look at society at what is being taught to kids these days, and if you notice, in general, the media is getting less and less tolerant of graphic explicatives and epithets. Some of these people dont even know better because they were taught it was ok by the media theyre barraged with daily, who remembers the episode of South Park where they finally uncensored s**t? lol... Just because you are overly prudish, does not mean you can dictate the way other adults and teenagers speak.

Also it is not the job of a Game Master to sit and baby sit chat, monitoring it 24/7 for little discrepancies and offensive words. That is an obvious waste of time, money, and man power, as there is evidently not enough staff to allocate to such a position. Even if they were, there should not be a task force to make sure players behave in a menial way. Players do NOT need to be banned just because they say one 'curse word.' People throw the word 'ban' around like it should be done at every minor offense, just like they throw the words 'balance' and 'overpowered' around with no idea where they should go.

Also this pertains to censorship! International, regional and national standards also recognize that freedom of speech, as the freedom of expression, includes any medium, be it orally, in written, in print, through the Internet or through art forms. This means that the protection of freedom of speech as a right includes not only the content, but also the means of expression. You cannot tell a man to 'shut up' just because you are offended by words refering to genetalia (which shouldnt be offensive at all, sex isnt something taboo.)

So basically, if you dont like seeing asterisks, quit the game! Theres nothing wrong with 'bad words' as you call them, and I believe personally you are over reacting.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Bring back the real Tear.... that post was way to mellow to have been made by the real Tear......
Unless... Tear has a sensitive side????

Xenaaah - Heavens Tear

What it comes down to, that I've noticed, is most players in the game are ok with the stuff being said and done. So if most people are ok with it then complaints won't be made. I've had factions allow inappropiate behavior when their rules clearly stated what they can and cannot do. As long as you play this game and something happens report it! If you report it over and over and something gets done then you know they are trying do their jobs. Everyday that I play I see someone say or doing something on WC or in game things they shouldn't be doing. Tons of people see it too and no one says a dam thing. So you know what? I'll report the **** when I see it. b:victoryb:bye

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Bring back the real Tear.... that post was way to mellow to have been made by the real Tear......
Unless... Tear has a sensitive side????

I have new medication! A more mentally stable Tear is here today.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have new medication! A more mentally stable Tear is here today.

Welcome to PWI new Tearvalerin

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have new medication! A more mentally stable Tear is here today.

*steals medications and pours it down the sink* Hehe...let the fun begin again!

ಥ_ಥ

...beautiful.

ExELFine - Heavens Tear

Snippet from author of this thread:

Not to mention the 100's even 1000's of children who in agreeance with that same TOS are online when you choose to spout out your indecencies. This is NOT an adult only game. But that isn't even my main gripe.. some of us don't want to hear what you did this weekend with your partner, or about the illegal activities you partook in.

How do you know it's not children who are posting such stupidities, to look more mature, more "in the know" and mostly, just because the game is about only place where they can use foul language in all impunity? And finally, just because children will be children.

Quit whining and focus on the game, not the idiots.

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »

*steals medications and pours it down the sink* Hehe...let the fun begin again!

ಥ_ಥ

...beautiful.

psh, Do you really like the more caustic behavior of a mind insane :P?

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear

Tearvalerin - Sanctuary wrote: »

Also this pertains to censorship! International, regional and national standards also recognize that freedom of speech, as the freedom of expression, includes any medium, be it orally, in written, in print, through the Internet or through art forms. This means that the protection of freedom of speech as a right includes not only the content, but also the means of expression. You cannot tell a man to 'shut up' just because you are offended by words refering to genetalia (which shouldnt be offensive at all, sex isnt something taboo.)

You are on PWE's servers and they actually have the right to censor what you say, or tell you what you can and cannot say/talk about. When you click "Yes" to their ToS you agree to abide by them even if you do not actually read them. This gives them the right to delete your posts, edit your posts, move your posts, ban your account, mute your character in game, suspend your account, suspend your posting privileges either in part or in whole. In short, they actually do have the right to tell you to shut up.

IceJazmin - Heavens Tear

OMGLAZERZ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You are on PWE's servers and they actually have the right to censor what you say, or tell you what you can and cannot say/talk about. When you click "Yes" to their ToS you agree to abide by them even if you do not actually read them. This gives them the right to delete your posts, edit your posts, move your posts, ban your account, mute your character in game, suspend your account, suspend your posting privileges either in part or in whole. In short, they actually do have the right to tell you to shut up.

It is even better than that... read last sentence of section 5.
"Please note that regardless of any notice, PWE reserves the right to discontinue the Service or to terminate or suspend your account at any time in its sole discretion for any reason, or for no reason."

And you are worried if they can tell you to shut up or not

Dreadmaul - Heavens Tear

the fact is... most people don't care anymore...i
do curse... and talk dirty.... but i only do it around people that r k with it.... most ppl dun rly mind though... as for world chat... who gives a damn about it... i didn't disable it... i just don't really pay attention 2 it??? that's what you should do too...
P.S. even most 12 year olds r like it LOL (no im not 12)
and also... if you can't bear it... just try to stay though...
but if u rly cant...
I CAN HAZ UR STUFFS? K THANKS b:victory

MentalEdge - Heavens Tear

I can be rude,crude and vulgar in company of friends,but wc is a completely different matter,i'm pretty fed up myself having to see sexual vulgarity from what i assume are 14 year olds with no real clue what it really is,and i shouldn't have to read that if i don't want too.

Blacklist is too short,and gm's need to take some action on wc vulgarity.

Kittennice - Heavens Tear

Lol notice how its mostly the Heaven's Tear Server.b:chuckle

But ya, I agree something must be done or just ignore it. Just don't look at the yellow (Think Green Lantern).

Stay away from the yellow. @_@


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