Cleanse works with every other class's temp HP, so instead of fixing the only broken class (OP), it was decided that just removing DC's heroic feat was reasonable and completely justified?
Yup. Mind-boggling. This approach to "fixing" bugs is extremely aggravating.
Cleanse: This feat has been reworked to removed Damage over Time effects from allies, rather than all possible debuffs.
I think there will be no answer, but I will ask anyway.
What is the reasoning behind this change?
I suspect this: It was easier to remake it than to fix it? Now I have an even more useless heroic feat tree. Maybe we should just delete clerics and replace them with loladins?
I think there will be no answer, but I will ask anyway.
What is the reasoning behind this change?
I suspect this: It was easier to remake it than to fix it? Now I have an even more useless heroic feat tree. Maybe we should just delete clerics and replace them with loladins?
Sad panda here,
Have fun everyone,
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Most accurate guess is, the conditional clause that validates if a player status is a debuff is on the same layer with the Pally's temp HP, removing that too. Sometimes, if it's too hard to exterminate bugs, you just have to burn the entire house to the ground. That's some real world programming wisdom fellas ;P
I think there will be no answer, but I will ask anyway.
What is the reasoning behind this change?
I suspect this: It was easier to remake it than to fix it? Now I have an even more useless heroic feat tree. Maybe we should just delete clerics and replace them with loladins?
Sad panda here,
Have fun everyone,
Almondum.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
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Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
I complitly agree with this fix .
Example :
The old Fabled Iliyanbruen set for any class had some ITC like this Fabled Iliyanbruen
4 of Set: Your attacks poison your foe, dealing 5,684 Poison damage over 15 seconds. You may only poison someone once every 30 seconds.
and cleanse just removed on each procc the 30 seconds itc.
The most broken thing was on SW+ DC and more dc used this more time coud procc SW set bonus...
It was to broken.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
Fair enough but could you please consider expanding the list of stuff that DCs can Cleanse to CCs, because that to me was the real utility of that feat, both when playing AS a cleric, or WITH one.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
Thank you for the info!
IMHO removing the ICD is a good enough ad-hoc compromise, though in the long run it might be better to give it an overhaul, IMHO, because the removal of e.g. slow effects etc. was one of the Cleanse core features to me. It is completely clear that this will take time, but just leaving is as it is now wouldn't be really desireable, even with the ICD removed. Then it would probably be better to replace the feat with something else.
can we except any balance changes for TR piercing dmg atm its ridiculous they re doing 10k shadow oppurtunity procs or 90k SEs i think tenacity was a way to fix that, you can also make ArP resistance also resist piercing dmg this would tonedown insane amounts of piercing dmg TR deals.
It is another thing that is going to be difficult to fix. SO does a meager 3% of a TR damage in PvE so any outright nerf to it would need to not affect PvE. I fear they have coded many things without thinking about leaving ways to be flexible for future changes.
I would have really thought when they made the stat changes for mod 6 that they would have done away with the tenacity model for PvP and normalized the two for the most part. Then they could have simply altered specific powers where needed to be different in PvP/PvE. Now we have some hodgepodge mix with compounding factors (Tenancity/DR/sedondary DR, etc) and everything as well as the intent is being obfuscated by the contrived mechanism to handle the variations -- and it is failing.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
Thank you for clearing that up. Not much you can do but disable it in that case.
Just be aware that even with ICD removed cleanse in it's new form would not be desirable to most players. Hopefully it can be considered written off for now and gotten back to the next time you are taking a look at DC feats.
On the matter of Astral Seal as you are introducing a cooldown is there any consideration for removing diminishing returns for successive heals? These seem like two means to achieve similar results and having both at once is the only thing keeping me from being optimistic about the numbers after the change. Losing the rapid proc mechanic it had for feats and boons is unfortunate, but once again likely central to why it was a problem in the first place.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
The issue is that the simpler fix has further hurt the Devoted Cleric in terms of class balancing. Cleanse was the only counter that Clerics have for control effects.
For cleanse to clear Damage Over Time specifically makes it a useless feat, as any DoT is addressed by Healing, which a DC does with or without cleanse. Much of the Cleric healing is done as Heal Over Time which already counters the DoT.
This feat is now pointless, as most of the other Cleric feats with 5 min internal cooldowns, or requiring 40,000 power for 5 feat points to generate a 1% critical chance increase.
At this point, I am wondering if there is any consideration or effort to bring this class' heroic feats in line with those of all the other classes, or is class-balancing just irrelevant or of minimal priority to the development team.
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Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
Why don't you just make Cleanse work like Paladin's Cleansing Touch (remove any CC effect)?
can we except any balance changes for TR piercing dmg atm its ridiculous they re doing 10k shadow oppurtunity procs or 90k SEs i think tenacity was a way to fix that, you can also make ArP resistance also resist piercing dmg this would tonedown insane amounts of piercing dmg TR deals.
This. 100%.
Piercing damage NEEDS to = "These attacks attack with 100% armor penetration" - thus they DONT avoid tenacity but instead get a nice ARP boost.
It is another thing that is going to be difficult to fix. SO does a meager 3% of a TR damage in PvE so any outright nerf to it would need to not affect PvE. I fear they have coded many things without thinking about leaving ways to be flexible for future changes.
I would have really thought when they made the stat changes for mod 6 that they would have done away with the tenacity model for PvP and normalized the two for the most part. Then they could have simply altered specific powers where needed to be different in PvP/PvE. Now we have some hodgepodge mix with compounding factors (Tenancity/DR/sedondary DR, etc) and everything as well as the intent is being obfuscated by the contrived mechanism to handle the variations -- and it is failing.
As I just posted. Making it INSTEAD attack wiht 100% ARP wouldnt change PVE AT ALL.
I agree on this point. I would MUCH rather them remove "tenacity" as a stat, give all players a BASE of the current values we have now (40%) and move from there.
This would actually get PVP players doing PVE again.
The PVP gear SHOULD be "on par" in some respects to the ilvl 137 PVE gear, however nothing will cause a HUGE boost to PVE dungeon runs then allowing PVP players to farm different gear.
I cant tell you how much PVE I used to run for the old sets (pre modules). Now I have no reason to.
Having a "top tier" pvp armor I think is important, but making it the ONLY choice for PVP is a big mistake.
As I just posted. Making it INSTEAD attack wiht 100% ARP wouldnt change PVE AT ALL.
I agree on this point. I would MUCH rather them remove "tenacity" as a stat, give all players a BASE of the current values we have now (40%) and move from there.
This would actually get PVP players doing PVE again.
The PVP gear SHOULD be "on par" in some respects to the ilvl 137 PVE gear, however nothing will cause a HUGE boost to PVE dungeon runs then allowing PVP players to farm different gear.
I cant tell you how much PVE I used to run for the old sets (pre modules). Now I have no reason to.
Having a "top tier" pvp armor I think is important, but making it the ONLY choice for PVP is a big mistake.
I have always found it funny that it seems almost every game has the pvp/pve balance problems and few have figured out that the solution is simple -- design the game around the pvp game play. I know this sounds odd to some but it isn't when you think about it and it leads to a better and more challenging game all around and greatly eases the burden to the designers and the confusion and other problems for the players.
I have always found it funny that it seems almost every game has the pvp/pve balance problems and few have figured out that the solution is simple -- design the game around the pvp game play. I know this sounds odd to some but it isn't when you think about it and it leads to a better and more challenging game all around and greatly eases the burden to the designers and the confusion and other problems for the players.
Except that Neverwinter isn't a PVP-centric game. It's primarily for the PVE.
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Except that Neverwinter isn't a PVP-centric game. It's primarily for the PVE.
I think he's saying design the PVP component first, so it's balanced and awesome. Then you can add PVE encounters that scale. ;D
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I think he's saying design the PVP component first, so it's balanced and awesome. Then you can add PVE encounters that scale. ;D
Exactly this and it does away with the balancing nightmares that we face today and the focus of the devs becomes more precise and they are not distracted by considering the impact of one change against the other and they don't have to endlessly work the cycle of buff/nerf/buff/nerf one then the other to try and establish some form of a balance between the two (which since they have not been able to do as of yet I would say makes my suggestion even more valid).
I realize it is a PvE focused game but what I say does not draw away from that aspect. It actually simplifies the approach to PvE and lends to more imaginative solutions to providing fun and a challenge without relying on gimmicks of simply inflating damage/defense/etc. Ask yourself why you have to do so much more damage in PvE and you find yourself saying because the enemy has so much more HP, then you ask yourself why they have so much more HP and you find yourself saying to provide more of a challenge. Repeat this process and you will see a pattern and the solution is then so obvious that I am surprised it is never implemented.
Exactly this and it does away with the balancing nightmares that we face today and the focus of the devs becomes more precise and they are not distracted by considering the impact of one change against the other and they don't have to endlessly work the cycle of buff/nerf/buff/nerf one then the other to try and establish some form of a balance between the two (which since they have not been able to do as of yet I would say makes my suggestion even more valid).
I realize it is a PvE focused game but what I say does not draw away from that aspect. It actually simplifies the approach to PvE and lends to more imaginative solutions to providing fun and a challenge without relying on gimmicks of simply inflating damage/defense/etc. Ask yourself why you have to do so much more damage in PvE and you find yourself saying because the enemy has so much more HP, then you ask yourself why they have so much more HP and you find yourself saying to provide more of a challenge. Repeat this process and you will see a pattern and the solution is then so obvious that I am surprised it is never implemented.
Balance focus on PvP first and then working PvE around those mechanics was how Warhammer Online was designed and it is still one of my favorite MMOs I've played, enjoying both PvP and PvE.
I think at this stage, the constant cry of "Neverwinter is not a PvP game" is just a way of giving a pass to poor design. The moment it was decided to have an active PvP component, even building Modules around it, it became a PvP game.
What is needed here is tabula rasa (blank slate, not the ill-fated game), even if it takes time. The rework on stat scaling was ALWAYS going to be problematic in terms of balance, if the math behind the class mechanics wasn't going to be reworked for the new paradigm. To implement those changes without rebalancing the classes is what leads us to where we are now. Realistically, we need to wonder if there are the resources and the will to really do this. I've seen no dedicated statement as to the road map on this game, and instead a stream of marketing pieces.
It was a cute idea to think that the mod release would be made and class balancing just fixed periodically and frequently in the following weeks, but to date instead we still have fixes being made creating more issues that require fixes, likely putting class balancing on the bottom of priority lists, especially with the promise of another new release within the next 3-4 months.
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
It's fine if it targets specific things, but I don't think DoT is the most useful "specific thing" to target. Would it be feasible to target CC instead?
edit: It seems that I've joined the choir of just about any other DC around here. Heh.
Except that Neverwinter isn't a PVP-centric game. It's primarily for the PVE.
The difference here though is they MADE specific "feats" and powers specifically FOR the purpose of PVP. Piercing damage had no role in PVE, so why did they add it? PVP. Where is it broken? PVP. So it seems very silly to say that.
Also as mjytresz stated.... its not even around balance currently either its more about match making. There would be MUCH less issues in the game if matchmaking was actually implemented. Not this current bug system we have now.
I would honestly rather opt for ZERO "matchmaking" than the current system that "pretends to do it" because frankly we hardly ever get balanced games anyways AND we sit in que for a LONG time. Atleast before we had insta Que pops. The same imbalance but hey, if they wont remove imbalance id rather have faster ques...
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
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Cleanse always could remove DoT effects. More importantly in most people's minds, it could also remove CC effects. So you're unhappy about one interaction this makes with your fave class, but DC players are unhappy because it's a pretty significant nerf for them too.
Cleanse always could remove DoT effects. More importantly in most people's minds, it could also remove CC effects. So you're unhappy about one interaction this makes with your fave class, but DC players are unhappy because it's a pretty significant nerf for them too.
Haha... I would gladly let denvald keep his DoT so that I can cleanse chill stacks, roots, dazes, stuns, slows. I can't express this enough...
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
Thanks for the answer Gentle, I wasn't expecting it at all.
What bothers me and many other clerics and that because of some programming bugs/mechanics/whatever....Devouted Clerics are losing utility...
Devouted Cleric Heroic Feat tree is utterly insignificant in importance when comparing to other classes....this is really very unpleasing.
Can someting be done about it?
Once again, thanks for a quick reply,
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Rings are all equivalent now. I think on the regen ring you lost stats when you upgraded it for the enchant slot. I don't think the *rings* need further changes.
On belts, regen gains stats when upgraded. Piercing and recovery just gain their slots.
On necks, piercing gains power but loses armor pen when upgraded. Recovery gains power but loses recovery. Regen just gains the enchant slot.
I think it's not unfair that upgrading the belts and necks would give a fairly minor stat boost across the board, because you're choosing these instead of artifact gear for yourself or Loyal gear for your companion. The rings are fine.
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I think there will be no answer, but I will ask anyway.
What is the reasoning behind this change?
I suspect this: It was easier to remake it than to fix it? Now I have an even more useless heroic feat tree. Maybe we should just delete clerics and replace them with loladins?
Sad panda here,
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Most accurate guess is, the conditional clause that validates if a player status is a debuff is on the same layer with the Pally's temp HP, removing that too. Sometimes, if it's too hard to exterminate bugs, you just have to burn the entire house to the ground. That's some real world programming wisdom fellas ;P
Its actually pretty simple. The Paladin Temp HP is a symptom of a much bigger issue. It was flagged to remove ANYTHING that could show up as a debuff on your character. Currently there is no way to exclude effects from that and it could break encounter mechanics that we wanted players to get an icon on their character for. This wasn't really acceptable and it just isn't feasible to rework every single debuff in the game to work right with cleanse (not to mention really confusing). Given that we have opted for the simpler fix that will streamline and make it target pretty specific things. I could see removing the ICD from it so that DCs can basically strip DoT effects off of players more consistently, but we definitely had to get the fix in to prevent it from breaking things further.
I complitly agree with this fix .
Example :
The old Fabled Iliyanbruen set for any class had some ITC like this Fabled Iliyanbruen
4 of Set: Your attacks poison your foe, dealing 5,684 Poison damage over 15 seconds. You may only poison someone once every 30 seconds.
and cleanse just removed on each procc the 30 seconds itc.
The most broken thing was on SW+ DC and more dc used this more time coud procc SW set bonus...
It was to broken.
Imagine it on tiamat HE.
Fair enough but could you please consider expanding the list of stuff that DCs can Cleanse to CCs, because that to me was the real utility of that feat, both when playing AS a cleric, or WITH one.
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Thank you for the info!
IMHO removing the ICD is a good enough ad-hoc compromise, though in the long run it might be better to give it an overhaul, IMHO, because the removal of e.g. slow effects etc. was one of the Cleanse core features to me. It is completely clear that this will take time, but just leaving is as it is now wouldn't be really desireable, even with the ICD removed. Then it would probably be better to replace the feat with something else.
It is another thing that is going to be difficult to fix. SO does a meager 3% of a TR damage in PvE so any outright nerf to it would need to not affect PvE. I fear they have coded many things without thinking about leaving ways to be flexible for future changes.
I would have really thought when they made the stat changes for mod 6 that they would have done away with the tenacity model for PvP and normalized the two for the most part. Then they could have simply altered specific powers where needed to be different in PvP/PvE. Now we have some hodgepodge mix with compounding factors (Tenancity/DR/sedondary DR, etc) and everything as well as the intent is being obfuscated by the contrived mechanism to handle the variations -- and it is failing.
Thank you for clearing that up. Not much you can do but disable it in that case.
Just be aware that even with ICD removed cleanse in it's new form would not be desirable to most players. Hopefully it can be considered written off for now and gotten back to the next time you are taking a look at DC feats.
On the matter of Astral Seal as you are introducing a cooldown is there any consideration for removing diminishing returns for successive heals? These seem like two means to achieve similar results and having both at once is the only thing keeping me from being optimistic about the numbers after the change. Losing the rapid proc mechanic it had for feats and boons is unfortunate, but once again likely central to why it was a problem in the first place.
The issue is that the simpler fix has further hurt the Devoted Cleric in terms of class balancing. Cleanse was the only counter that Clerics have for control effects.
For cleanse to clear Damage Over Time specifically makes it a useless feat, as any DoT is addressed by Healing, which a DC does with or without cleanse. Much of the Cleric healing is done as Heal Over Time which already counters the DoT.
This feat is now pointless, as most of the other Cleric feats with 5 min internal cooldowns, or requiring 40,000 power for 5 feat points to generate a 1% critical chance increase.
At this point, I am wondering if there is any consideration or effort to bring this class' heroic feats in line with those of all the other classes, or is class-balancing just irrelevant or of minimal priority to the development team.
Yes . They should fix bugged Soul puppet and broken Fabled set on 60 lvl .
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Why don't you just make Cleanse work like Paladin's Cleansing Touch (remove any CC effect)?
This. 100%.
Piercing damage NEEDS to = "These attacks attack with 100% armor penetration" - thus they DONT avoid tenacity but instead get a nice ARP boost.
As I just posted. Making it INSTEAD attack wiht 100% ARP wouldnt change PVE AT ALL.
I agree on this point. I would MUCH rather them remove "tenacity" as a stat, give all players a BASE of the current values we have now (40%) and move from there.
This would actually get PVP players doing PVE again.
The PVP gear SHOULD be "on par" in some respects to the ilvl 137 PVE gear, however nothing will cause a HUGE boost to PVE dungeon runs then allowing PVP players to farm different gear.
I cant tell you how much PVE I used to run for the old sets (pre modules). Now I have no reason to.
Having a "top tier" pvp armor I think is important, but making it the ONLY choice for PVP is a big mistake.
I have always found it funny that it seems almost every game has the pvp/pve balance problems and few have figured out that the solution is simple -- design the game around the pvp game play. I know this sounds odd to some but it isn't when you think about it and it leads to a better and more challenging game all around and greatly eases the burden to the designers and the confusion and other problems for the players.
Except that Neverwinter isn't a PVP-centric game. It's primarily for the PVE.
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I think he's saying design the PVP component first, so it's balanced and awesome. Then you can add PVE encounters that scale. ;D
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i would agree but we are near to have more pvp maps than dungeons... just saying
Exactly this and it does away with the balancing nightmares that we face today and the focus of the devs becomes more precise and they are not distracted by considering the impact of one change against the other and they don't have to endlessly work the cycle of buff/nerf/buff/nerf one then the other to try and establish some form of a balance between the two (which since they have not been able to do as of yet I would say makes my suggestion even more valid).
I realize it is a PvE focused game but what I say does not draw away from that aspect. It actually simplifies the approach to PvE and lends to more imaginative solutions to providing fun and a challenge without relying on gimmicks of simply inflating damage/defense/etc. Ask yourself why you have to do so much more damage in PvE and you find yourself saying because the enemy has so much more HP, then you ask yourself why they have so much more HP and you find yourself saying to provide more of a challenge. Repeat this process and you will see a pattern and the solution is then so obvious that I am surprised it is never implemented.
Balance focus on PvP first and then working PvE around those mechanics was how Warhammer Online was designed and it is still one of my favorite MMOs I've played, enjoying both PvP and PvE.
I think at this stage, the constant cry of "Neverwinter is not a PvP game" is just a way of giving a pass to poor design. The moment it was decided to have an active PvP component, even building Modules around it, it became a PvP game.
What is needed here is tabula rasa (blank slate, not the ill-fated game), even if it takes time. The rework on stat scaling was ALWAYS going to be problematic in terms of balance, if the math behind the class mechanics wasn't going to be reworked for the new paradigm. To implement those changes without rebalancing the classes is what leads us to where we are now. Realistically, we need to wonder if there are the resources and the will to really do this. I've seen no dedicated statement as to the road map on this game, and instead a stream of marketing pieces.
It was a cute idea to think that the mod release would be made and class balancing just fixed periodically and frequently in the following weeks, but to date instead we still have fixes being made creating more issues that require fixes, likely putting class balancing on the bottom of priority lists, especially with the promise of another new release within the next 3-4 months.
edit: It seems that I've joined the choir of just about any other DC around here. Heh.
The difference here though is they MADE specific "feats" and powers specifically FOR the purpose of PVP. Piercing damage had no role in PVE, so why did they add it? PVP. Where is it broken? PVP. So it seems very silly to say that.
Also as mjytresz stated.... its not even around balance currently either its more about match making. There would be MUCH less issues in the game if matchmaking was actually implemented. Not this current bug system we have now.
I would honestly rather opt for ZERO "matchmaking" than the current system that "pretends to do it" because frankly we hardly ever get balanced games anyways AND we sit in que for a LONG time. Atleast before we had insta Que pops. The same imbalance but hey, if they wont remove imbalance id rather have faster ques...
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Cleanse always could remove DoT effects. More importantly in most people's minds, it could also remove CC effects. So you're unhappy about one interaction this makes with your fave class, but DC players are unhappy because it's a pretty significant nerf for them too.
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Haha... I would gladly let denvald keep his DoT so that I can cleanse chill stacks, roots, dazes, stuns, slows. I can't express this enough...
Thanks for the answer Gentle, I wasn't expecting it at all.
What bothers me and many other clerics and that because of some programming bugs/mechanics/whatever....Devouted Clerics are losing utility...
Devouted Cleric Heroic Feat tree is utterly insignificant in importance when comparing to other classes....this is really very unpleasing.
Can someting be done about it?
Once again, thanks for a quick reply,
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Why not adamant rings of piercing and recovery?
Rings are all equivalent now. I think on the regen ring you lost stats when you upgraded it for the enchant slot. I don't think the *rings* need further changes.
On belts, regen gains stats when upgraded. Piercing and recovery just gain their slots.
On necks, piercing gains power but loses armor pen when upgraded. Recovery gains power but loses recovery. Regen just gains the enchant slot.
I think it's not unfair that upgrading the belts and necks would give a fairly minor stat boost across the board, because you're choosing these instead of artifact gear for yourself or Loyal gear for your companion. The rings are fine.
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