The concern here is that CWs are already a mid-tier class in PvP, and a fix to Icy Rays would just send them spiraling further towards the bottom again.
ROFL, just no.
CWs are the MOST OP class in pvp atm.
So what HR can take em half the time, they have it all over every other class in game.
I guess balance is having no one being able to take a CW?
Just for sh*** and giggles i made a CW and leveled to 60 during the event. This thing at 8k gs is WAY OP compared to my HR(16k melee).
Basically it is just Entangle, Icy rays, Chilllstrike and ray of frost until they die.
Anyone who plays CW and complains about it is probably a VERY unskilled player looking for easy mode.
LMAO if you think that an Icy Rays nerf would justify an HR nerf...
the only way an HR has a chance against a CW is to get that disruptive shot off before the CW starts to cycle on you.
If CW controls HR it is over for an HR in seconds, same as if the HR lands disruptive shot first the CW will burn down in seconds (as long as hr has all melee encounters ready)
I should clarify, I made no mention of changing Icy Rays because at this time I have no intention of doing so. It *can* already be dodged, and because it activates so fast it takes incredible skill to do so. Countering it is tough, but not impossible. At this time Icy Rays will remain unchanged.
Do they actually pay you to not have a clue about the game you are supposed to be working on? Is there any wonder why nothing ever gets fixed? Is there any wonder why, the "fixes" create even MORE problems?
It *can't* be dodged. Disruptive shot has a fast casting time (just as fast if not faster than Icy Rays) and *can* be dodged, and is dodged quite often. Icy Rays can not be dodged. Learn the game you are supposed to be working on or have the decency to step down. Even CW's who want to keep Icy Rays the way it is, but are honest, will admit that it is not dodgeable.
Do they actually pay you to not have a clue about the game you are supposed to be working on? Is there any wonder why nothing ever gets fixed? Is there any wonder why, the "fixes" create even MORE problems?
It *can't* be dodged. Disruptive shot has a fast casting time (just as fast if not faster than Icy Rays) and *can* be dodged, and is dodged quite often. Icy Rays can not be dodged. Learn the game you are supposed to be working on or have the decency to step down. Even CW's who want to keep Icy Rays the way it is, but are honest, will admit that it is not dodgeable.
Actually, I did try to keep it classy. No class would be accepting payment for work you obviously aren't doing. How someone can be paid to be a system designer and not have a clue about the game he is being paid to work on, is beyond me. Accepting payment when you obviously have put 0 effort into getting to know your work, is class-less.
Your "Your mother" cliché comment, shows a lot of "originality" and "class" itself.
Actually, I did try to keep it classy. No class would be accepting payment for work you obviously aren't doing. How someone can be paid to be a system designer and not have a clue about the game he is being paid to work on, is beyond me. Accepting payment when you obviously have put 0 effort into getting to know your work, is class-less.
Your "Your mother" cliché comment, shows a lot of "originality" and "class" itself.
Look, tough guy/gal - nobody's impressed with your keyboard warrior stuff. You don't have the first clue whether IR is actually impossible to dodge or just really, really hard to dodge. GC, on the other hand, wrote the code. And yet you have the brass necked gall to try and tell him that he's incompetent.
People whose first resort is to arrogance and plain rudeness are usually worthless human beings. Congrats on that.
I should clarify, I made no mention of changing Icy Rays because at this time I have no intention of doing so. It *can* already be dodged, and because it activates so fast it takes incredible skill to do so. Countering it is tough, but not impossible. At this time Icy Rays will remain unchanged.
Dude... So youve obviously been in this thread and SEEN the posts about Glyphs.
Please stop hiding and address the frikin glyphs man!!!! I havnt logged in about a week because of them, its just STUPID how long its been in the game. PLEASE remove ALL the damage from Glyphs and leave the stats
+ 800 stats for 20 seconds is AMAZING! Thats ALL we need, none of this unmitigated damage <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
You guys keep addressing ALL the wrong problems!!!!!!!
Look, tough guy/gal - nobody's impressed with your keyboard warrior stuff. You don't have the first clue whether IR is actually impossible to dodge or just really, really hard to dodge. GC, on the other hand, wrote the code. And yet you have the brass necked gall to try and tell him that he's incompetent.
I do have a clue, and anyone can go and test this themselves repeatedly in IWD. Whether GC wrote the code or not, is besides the point. The code could be written wrong and not doing what it was intended to do (As is often the case when writing complicated coding. This wouldn't be the first time in this game or any other). I never called him incompetent, but if he doesn't know that Icy Rays is undodgeable then he has no clue about the game he is working on and has put 0 effort into understanding the game and the problems therein. This isn't the only issue either. There is TONS of issues and the whole DEV team seems to be completely out of touch with the player base and the game itself or completely apathetic to the issues that there is.
People whose first resort is to arrogance and plain rudeness are usually worthless human beings. Congrats on that.
You sir, are a hypocrite. Congrats on that. Now get off your knees and stop blowing the "incompetent" (your words, not mine) system designers. If you want to talk ****, then I would be more than glad to respond in kind to your fgt ***.
Dude... So youve obviously been in this thread and SEEN the posts about Glyphs.
Please stop hiding and address the frikin glyphs man!!!! I havnt logged in about a week because of them, its just STUPID how long its been in the game. PLEASE remove ALL the damage from Glyphs and leave the stats
+ 800 stats for 20 seconds is AMAZING! Thats ALL we need, none of this unmitigated damage <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
You guys keep addressing ALL the wrong problems!!!!!!!
I'm afraid the glyphs thing is harder to fix than it seems. It is a feature, it is part of the Dragonborn Pack and module 4's newly introduced items. It will never go away.
The last thing they'd want to do is nerf glyphs to make them unplayable because it wouldn't sit well with PWE. They probably are doing some balancing on the glyphs in their own time which means a fix is coming. (the same time-period as they would fix roar, TR lashing blade etc)
Dude... So youve obviously been in this thread and SEEN the posts about Glyphs.
Please stop hiding and address the frikin glyphs man!!!! I havnt logged in about a week because of them, its just STUPID how long its been in the game. PLEASE remove ALL the damage from Glyphs and leave the stats
+ 800 stats for 20 seconds is AMAZING! Thats ALL we need, none of this unmitigated damage <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
You guys keep addressing ALL the wrong problems!!!!!!!
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
I applaud you for being the dev that actually responds to threads
I do have a clue, and anyone can go and test this themselves repeatedly in IWD. Whether GC wrote the code or not, is besides the point. The code could be written wrong and not doing what it was intended to do (As is often the case when writing complicated coding. This wouldn't be the first time in this game or any other). I never called him incompetent, but if he doesn't know that Icy Rays is undodgeable then he has no clue about the game he is working on and has put 0 effort into understanding the game and the problems therein. This isn't the only issue either. There is TONS of issues and the whole DEV team seems to be completely out of touch with the player base and the game itself or completely apathetic to the issues that there is.
You sir, are a hypocrite. Congrats on that. Now get off your knees and stop blowing the "incompetent" (your words, not mine) system designers. If you want to talk ****, then I would be more than glad to respond in kind to your fgt ***.
Hold back a little with the rude talking, Gentlemancrush is the only dev that usually comes to the forums and replies to some of the feedback we give regarding classes and balance. Yeah, I know some things aren't working well in the game but it's still no reason to talk like that to a developer that tries to improve our experience a little. We know they've been working with tr changes, dc changes and a new paragon path for warlocks so there's already too many things to do. The fact that there's a power that makes you feel uncomfortable and die some times (the fact that it can't be dodged doesn't mean you don't have other means to counter it) doesn't make it a priority. He at least has acknowledged the situation and commented here, right?
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Thank you for the updates and keep 'em coming!
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I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Thanks for dropping by and communicating with us. It a great thing that you are working on fixing the glyphs, they are gamebreaking to the point many stopped playing PvP.
While we understand you cannot lose your day on the forums chatting with us players, a bit more communication, especially with those that are able to articulate ideas and obviously know what they are talking about is extremely appreciated.
Anyone who gets better results with an 8k CW than with a 16k combat HR has no basis talking about skill, as it's then abundantly clear they don't know what they're doing.
Lol at making personal tests using an 8k CW and a 16k HR. Skill and lack of knowledge are clearly issues there.
Pair up a BIS HR against a BIS CW. Do tests based on that scale. He clearly just doesn't know how to play HR in PVP nor is he in a PVP guild to have people teach him.
I'm sorry, but you're just wrong. I have seen it with my own eyes. It's an animation thing, and it's most probably entirely unintended.
Again, you are wrong. You need to get your eyes checked. Thankfully GC has done some digging into Icy Rays and has found the same problems with it as with the undodgeable PB
I wasn't arguing otherwise, simply that it *can* be avoided in some circumstances, like moving out of range or through a quirk of Marauder's Escape.
And in Domination, moving out of range, is something that might help you survive, but is not beneficial at all for you or your team. Icy Rays atm, is currently undodgeable, as other CW's have already admitted and GC has found himself after some digging into.
I'm well aware of the differences in the dodge frames. A good player can still take full advantage of those.
Obviously you weren't well aware of it, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you said. The immunity from 3 CW shifts is longer than the 6 mini shifts of the HR. You were trying to act as if the 6 dodges of the HR were OP in comparison, and it showed how ignorant you are about the game.
Of course a good player can take advantage of whatever he is working with. No one is arguing that.
Even with red glyphs on, a high-end CW can't alwaysone-rotation equally geared players. If you're getting one-rotationed, it's likely by someone with better gear than your rank 6s and blue artifacts.
But they still do, more often than not (talking about equal GS characters). You are trying to act as if CW's are not as strong as they actually are.. Maybe you just suck at the game and that is why you think CW's are middle of the pack in pvp.
In any case, red glyphs are getting fixed, which is great news. Those also disproportionately benefited HRs and CWs over most other classes.
I'd say they favor the GF's more than anyone but yeah, even a DC with glyphs is a threat to someone who isn't using glyphs.
The most encounter-spammy class in the game is actually HR.
and yet, they take more skill to play than a CW holding down the right click on their mouse and not having to time Icy Rays. Good thing GC already said he is taking care of that ****.
This just goes to show you obviously have no experience with high-end play. In module 3, between Constricting Arrow, Disruptive Shot and super-fast healing, a CW had virtually no chance against an HR that knew what they were doing. Fortunately, most HRs never really got that down properly. The balance between the two is better in module 4, but HRs still have the advantage.
My TR, when played as my main was top 5 pages always. Even though he wasn't BiS gear and only 16k gs, I always managed and could hang against the highest end. My HR who is 14.5k GS is top 10 pages on a broken leaderboard which has negative progression on Wins that are blowouts. I kill other combat HR's who are 18k gs.
Again, maybe the reason you struggled so hard in Mod 3 and the reason you think CW's are middle of the pack now, is because you simply suck at pvp. Get ready to start having to use some timing because Icy Rays undodgeable bs is being fixed.
But they still do, most often than not. You are trying to act as if CW's are not as strong as they actually are.. Maybe you just suck at the game and that is why you think CW's are middle of the pack in pvp.
Nobody is saying CWs suck this mod. CWs are very very powerful. People are just saying GFs are the best and a BIS HR can easily kill a BIS CW 1v1. Also, there is no need to nerf the only CW skill that could make them compete with BIS GF and BIS HR.
My TR, when played as my main was top 5 pages always. Even though he wasn't BiS gear, I always managed and could hang against the highest end. My HR who is 14.5k GS is top 10 pages on a broken leaderboard which has negative progression on Wins that are blowouts. I kill other combat HR's who are 18k gs.
Leaderboard means very little. On top of that, top 5 pages? Have you ever played in a premade? What is the best team that you beat? Or did you just play against pugs?
You realize that one of the GFs on the first page of the leaderboard got there by admitting he only pressed shift most of the time to win right? That's the leaderboard and PUG pvp for you.
Seems like the HRs/TRs arguing against macjae are just common PUGs. I have seen macjae play and he is a pretty good CW who played in actual premades which may result in the misunderstanding between the 2 parties.
Gentleman if you are reading this, please do not take the opinions of common PUGs seriously. They play in an environment wherein not everyone is skilled or geared (including them). At the highest level, everyone is almost equally fully geared and skilled. That is how you balance PVP and go down from there.
You know the guilds with skilled PVP players. (if you don't, I can PM them to you)
This just goes to show you obviously have no experience with high-end play. In module 3, between Constricting Arrow, Disruptive Shot and super-fast healing, a CW had virtually no chance against an HR that knew what they were doing. Fortunately, most HRs never really got that down properly. The balance between the two is better in module 4, but HRs still have the advantage.
Totally agree. In module 3 a CW was a doormat to an HR that even knew the basics of how to play.
This just goes to show you obviously have no experience with high-end play. In module 3, between Constricting Arrow, Disruptive Shot and super-fast healing, a CW had virtually no chance against an HR that knew what they were doing. Fortunately, most HRs never really got that down properly. The balance between the two is better in module 4, but HRs still have the advantage.
LOL, now that I know who you are in game, Luusi Loyalar.. We made you rage pretty hard last night in domination when you claimed it was 2v5 and that you had worthless pugs..
Now I understand why you think CW's suck.. You are a BiS CW and you are page 16.. My poorly geared TR and HR are both better.. gg.. GL once you have to time your Icy Rays
Please do not ever talk about High end pvp, you are BiS CW on page 16 and get rocked by 14kers
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
wait, so stlil no cooldown between dmg procs?
so you can still get hit, theoretically 10 times in 1 second?
LOL, now that I know who you are in game, Luusi Loyalar.. We made you rage pretty hard last night in domination when you claimed it was 2v5 and that you had worthless pugs..
Now I understand why you think CW's suck.. You are a BiS CW and you are page 16.. My poorly geared TR and HR are both better.. gg.. GL once you have to time your Icy Rays
Please do not ever talk about High end pvp, you are BiS CW on page 16 and get rocked by 14kers
Again, please do not take PUG matches seriously. Too much RNG involving whether your PUG teammates can play or not. It is laughable that people brag about winning PUG matches when they don't mean anything
How about you guys set up a premade 5v5? I'm sure macjae can get his guildmates to join in, why don't you as well and maybe you can experience your first premade vs premade?
Again, please do not take PUG matches seriously. Too much RNG involving whether your PUG teammates can play or not. It is laughable that people brag about winning PUG matches when they don't mean anything
How about you guys set up a premade 5v5? I'm sure macjae can get his guildmates to join in, why don't you as well and maybe you can experience your first premade vs premade?
My first premade? lol.. I do premades on the reg and invited Macjae to IWD, no companions, and he refused. BiS CW on page 16 getting rocked by 14k gsers.. gg.. Don't ever talk about high end pvp again please. Thanks
Page 16 leaderboard scrubs. New guild name.
Unfortunately, even doing premades you get matched up against horrible competition more often than not. Most the time it is premade vs partial premade w pugs. Like this morning when our premade was rolling over lesser GS teams and getting backwards progression on leaderboard even though we were winning. I typically find better matches, through pugging, even if it is me on the losing end.
My first premade? lol.. I do premades on the reg and invited Macjae to IWD, no companions, and he refused. BiS CW on page 16 getting rocked by 14k gsers.. gg.. Don't ever talk about high end pvp again please. Thanks
Page 16 leaderboard scrubs. New guild name.
Unfortunately, even doing premades you get matched up against horrible competition more often than not. Most the time it is premade vs partial premade w pugs. Like this morning when our premade was rolling over lesser GS teams and getting backwards progression on leaderboard even though we were winning. I typically find better matches, through pugging, even if it is me on the losing end.
No offense, but you have rank 6s, blue artifacts, 28K HP and very low damage Brutal bow. Macjae has 40K HP and is BiS. What is there to be seen? What do you want to test?
Also Leaderboard means nothing because people disconnect from losses so they are not dropping. You need to farm PvP quite hard to go up, and do duo runs because full premades will drop you further, so if you play less you will not be that high.
If any BiS CW would come test stuff with you you will die in half a rotation since you miss the gear to make the class work properly.
Then you will come to the forums and complain. With 28K Hp.
Unfortunately, even doing premades you get matched up against horrible competition more often than not. Most the time it is premade vs partial premade w pugs. Like this morning when our premade was rolling over lesser GS teams and getting backwards progression on leaderboard even though we were winning. I typically find better matches, through pugging, even if it is me on the losing end.
Inviting someone to IWD is not a premade by the way.
Please stop bragging about beating another team in a PUG PVP match, that's all I said because it means very little.
You realize what organized premade is right? Both teams queue at the same time and PM each other when both team's queue pops. That way, you both will be guaranteed to face each other. When your premade beats his premade, that's when you talk about it.
Otherwise, you bragging about pug matches mean very little.
What is there to be seen? What do you want to test?
Also Leaderboard means nothing because people disconnect from losses so they are not dropping. You need to farm PvP quite hard to go up, and do duo runs because full premades will drop you further, so if you play less you will not be that high.
If any BiS CW would come test stuff with you you will die in half a rotation since you miss the gear to make the class work properly.
Then you will come to the forums and complain. With 28K Hp.
Actually, we ended up in IWD, no companions for me.. The fights came down to who got the jump on the other one first. Like I said.. I beat most other combat HR's that are within reasonable range of my GS, depending on their skill level.
Other BiS CW's can toast a 14k gs pretty easy mode, which explains why Macjae thinks CW's are middle of the pack pvp class. Me calling him out to IWD had nothing to do with testing Icy Rays which is already known to be Undodgeable as the system designer GC already confirmed, but more to do with him talking smack about high end pvp, when even though he has 6k gs more than me.. I can 1v1 him 50% of the time and he is lower than my 14k gser on the board. The problem isn't that CW's are weak.. Sometimes it just comes down to the user.
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
Thank you! Applause!
Like really thank you reading forum and starting to respond. And finally admiting issues with "Icy Rays after digging into it".
And if you fixed it locally please tell us. So that there would be no cry about it as much. Even if it will be in 3+ patch.
PS can you please make Ice Rays really dodgable not depending on bugs latency and rooting in middle of dodge animation?
I was talking about GF and Shield, but GWF with their permaImmunity Sprint/Unstoppable is a good example as well.
HR still has the advantage over CWs, especially on a node - even with the nerfs, and even without Constrictive. If the area it's larger and CW can kite, there is actually balance at equal gear&skill between these classes.
The real issue for HR and Icy Rays comes from the fact that if a CW can IR you, his teammates will probably kill you while you are rooted.
But then again: should you be able to 1vs2?
PS:
- in Mod 3, my HR was GODMODE vs CWs, primarily due to Constrictive/Disruptive permaCC. That was not fair. I could kill the best BiS CWs in the game without losing much, if any HP. Things are better now, balance wise.
- Icy rays is even a bigger issue for guess what class? Control Wizard. Yes, we cannot escape it, and we die a lot because of it as well, as we are not tanky, and not have nice LS and WM heals. So any CW can understand your predicament.
That's just not true. If PB gets tuned down along with the glyphs it takes away a lot of the HR damage which also takes away a lot of the life steal. Already CWs can 1 rotation HRs if they have their daily up because you can't be tanky anymore, 50k or 30k a CW will be able to 1 rotation you because of Storm Spell and Ice Knife. You can't deny that once HRs are fix along with GFs, CWs will be kings.
Even with red glyphs on, a high-end CW can't always one-rotation equally geared players. If you're getting one-rotationed, it's likely by someone with better gear than your rank 6s and blue artifacts.
Then I'm guessing you have yet to go against a CW who knows how to use his DC artifact. It is possible to 1 rotation equally geared players with a CW, If they properly use EOTS and SS then it's game over.
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ROFL, just no.
CWs are the MOST OP class in pvp atm.
So what HR can take em half the time, they have it all over every other class in game.
I guess balance is having no one being able to take a CW?
Just for sh*** and giggles i made a CW and leveled to 60 during the event. This thing at 8k gs is WAY OP compared to my HR(16k melee).
Basically it is just Entangle, Icy rays, Chilllstrike and ray of frost until they die.
Anyone who plays CW and complains about it is probably a VERY unskilled player looking for easy mode.
LMAO if you think that an Icy Rays nerf would justify an HR nerf...
the only way an HR has a chance against a CW is to get that disruptive shot off before the CW starts to cycle on you.
If CW controls HR it is over for an HR in seconds, same as if the HR lands disruptive shot first the CW will burn down in seconds (as long as hr has all melee encounters ready)
Do they actually pay you to not have a clue about the game you are supposed to be working on? Is there any wonder why nothing ever gets fixed? Is there any wonder why, the "fixes" create even MORE problems?
It *can't* be dodged. Disruptive shot has a fast casting time (just as fast if not faster than Icy Rays) and *can* be dodged, and is dodged quite often. Icy Rays can not be dodged. Learn the game you are supposed to be working on or have the decency to step down. Even CW's who want to keep Icy Rays the way it is, but are honest, will admit that it is not dodgeable.
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Actually, I did try to keep it classy. No class would be accepting payment for work you obviously aren't doing. How someone can be paid to be a system designer and not have a clue about the game he is being paid to work on, is beyond me. Accepting payment when you obviously have put 0 effort into getting to know your work, is class-less.
Your "Your mother" cliché comment, shows a lot of "originality" and "class" itself.
Don't joke on the forums please.
GFs are the most OP class at PVP.
HRs are close to tied to CWs at high level premades as well as 1v1s.
You must be talking about PUG pvp wherein CW's 1-click ray of frost works wonders.
People whose first resort is to arrogance and plain rudeness are usually worthless human beings. Congrats on that.
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Karrin Feywinter - Mistress of Flame
Errin Duskwalker - Executioner
Darquess - Soulbinder
Dude... So youve obviously been in this thread and SEEN the posts about Glyphs.
Please stop hiding and address the frikin glyphs man!!!! I havnt logged in about a week because of them, its just STUPID how long its been in the game. PLEASE remove ALL the damage from Glyphs and leave the stats
+ 800 stats for 20 seconds is AMAZING! Thats ALL we need, none of this unmitigated damage <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>.
You guys keep addressing ALL the wrong problems!!!!!!!
I do have a clue, and anyone can go and test this themselves repeatedly in IWD. Whether GC wrote the code or not, is besides the point. The code could be written wrong and not doing what it was intended to do (As is often the case when writing complicated coding. This wouldn't be the first time in this game or any other). I never called him incompetent, but if he doesn't know that Icy Rays is undodgeable then he has no clue about the game he is working on and has put 0 effort into understanding the game and the problems therein. This isn't the only issue either. There is TONS of issues and the whole DEV team seems to be completely out of touch with the player base and the game itself or completely apathetic to the issues that there is.
You sir, are a hypocrite. Congrats on that. Now get off your knees and stop blowing the "incompetent" (your words, not mine) system designers. If you want to talk ****, then I would be more than glad to respond in kind to your fgt ***.
I'm afraid the glyphs thing is harder to fix than it seems. It is a feature, it is part of the Dragonborn Pack and module 4's newly introduced items. It will never go away.
The last thing they'd want to do is nerf glyphs to make them unplayable because it wouldn't sit well with PWE. They probably are doing some balancing on the glyphs in their own time which means a fix is coming. (the same time-period as they would fix roar, TR lashing blade etc)
I haven't addressed them directly because I already fixed them locally (they are resistsed/dodged/etc) and that should be in some upcoming build. It'll be in the patch notes soon, but as the thing I could address as not being fixed was Piercing Blade so I opted to post about that (and Icy Rays after digging into it). We do read the forums, and we do make changes responding to feedback. Remember that I do have features for upcoming modules to work on as well
Thank you all for your continued Feedback!
Chris "Gentleman Crush" Meyer
I applaud you for being the dev that actually responds to threads
Hold back a little with the rude talking, Gentlemancrush is the only dev that usually comes to the forums and replies to some of the feedback we give regarding classes and balance. Yeah, I know some things aren't working well in the game but it's still no reason to talk like that to a developer that tries to improve our experience a little. We know they've been working with tr changes, dc changes and a new paragon path for warlocks so there's already too many things to do. The fact that there's a power that makes you feel uncomfortable and die some times (the fact that it can't be dodged doesn't mean you don't have other means to counter it) doesn't make it a priority. He at least has acknowledged the situation and commented here, right?
Thank you for the updates and keep 'em coming!
Give a man a fire and he's warm for the day. But set fire to him and he's warm for the rest of his life.
Thanks for dropping by and communicating with us. It a great thing that you are working on fixing the glyphs, they are gamebreaking to the point many stopped playing PvP.
While we understand you cannot lose your day on the forums chatting with us players, a bit more communication, especially with those that are able to articulate ideas and obviously know what they are talking about is extremely appreciated.
Lol at making personal tests using an 8k CW and a 16k HR. Skill and lack of knowledge are clearly issues there.
Pair up a BIS HR against a BIS CW. Do tests based on that scale. He clearly just doesn't know how to play HR in PVP nor is he in a PVP guild to have people teach him.
Too bad he is arguing with HR players who probably aren't skilled or geared enough to experience high end pvp.
Again, you are wrong. You need to get your eyes checked. Thankfully GC has done some digging into Icy Rays and has found the same problems with it as with the undodgeable PB
And in Domination, moving out of range, is something that might help you survive, but is not beneficial at all for you or your team. Icy Rays atm, is currently undodgeable, as other CW's have already admitted and GC has found himself after some digging into.
Obviously you weren't well aware of it, otherwise you wouldn't have said what you said. The immunity from 3 CW shifts is longer than the 6 mini shifts of the HR. You were trying to act as if the 6 dodges of the HR were OP in comparison, and it showed how ignorant you are about the game.
Of course a good player can take advantage of whatever he is working with. No one is arguing that.
But they still do, more often than not (talking about equal GS characters). You are trying to act as if CW's are not as strong as they actually are.. Maybe you just suck at the game and that is why you think CW's are middle of the pack in pvp.
I'd say they favor the GF's more than anyone but yeah, even a DC with glyphs is a threat to someone who isn't using glyphs.
and yet, they take more skill to play than a CW holding down the right click on their mouse and not having to time Icy Rays. Good thing GC already said he is taking care of that ****.
My TR, when played as my main was top 5 pages always. Even though he wasn't BiS gear and only 16k gs, I always managed and could hang against the highest end. My HR who is 14.5k GS is top 10 pages on a broken leaderboard which has negative progression on Wins that are blowouts. I kill other combat HR's who are 18k gs.
Again, maybe the reason you struggled so hard in Mod 3 and the reason you think CW's are middle of the pack now, is because you simply suck at pvp. Get ready to start having to use some timing because Icy Rays undodgeable bs is being fixed.
Nobody is saying CWs suck this mod. CWs are very very powerful. People are just saying GFs are the best and a BIS HR can easily kill a BIS CW 1v1. Also, there is no need to nerf the only CW skill that could make them compete with BIS GF and BIS HR.
Leaderboard means very little. On top of that, top 5 pages? Have you ever played in a premade? What is the best team that you beat? Or did you just play against pugs?
You realize that one of the GFs on the first page of the leaderboard got there by admitting he only pressed shift most of the time to win right? That's the leaderboard and PUG pvp for you.
Seems like the HRs/TRs arguing against macjae are just common PUGs. I have seen macjae play and he is a pretty good CW who played in actual premades which may result in the misunderstanding between the 2 parties.
Gentleman if you are reading this, please do not take the opinions of common PUGs seriously. They play in an environment wherein not everyone is skilled or geared (including them). At the highest level, everyone is almost equally fully geared and skilled. That is how you balance PVP and go down from there.
You know the guilds with skilled PVP players. (if you don't, I can PM them to you)
Totally agree. In module 3 a CW was a doormat to an HR that even knew the basics of how to play.
LOL, now that I know who you are in game, Luusi Loyalar.. We made you rage pretty hard last night in domination when you claimed it was 2v5 and that you had worthless pugs..
Now I understand why you think CW's suck.. You are a BiS CW and you are page 16.. My poorly geared TR and HR are both better.. gg.. GL once you have to time your Icy Rays
Please do not ever talk about High end pvp, you are BiS CW on page 16 and get rocked by 14kers
wait, so stlil no cooldown between dmg procs?
so you can still get hit, theoretically 10 times in 1 second?
Again, please do not take PUG matches seriously. Too much RNG involving whether your PUG teammates can play or not. It is laughable that people brag about winning PUG matches when they don't mean anything
How about you guys set up a premade 5v5? I'm sure macjae can get his guildmates to join in, why don't you as well and maybe you can experience your first premade vs premade?
My first premade? lol.. I do premades on the reg and invited Macjae to IWD, no companions, and he refused. BiS CW on page 16 getting rocked by 14k gsers.. gg.. Don't ever talk about high end pvp again please. Thanks
Page 16 leaderboard scrubs. New guild name.
Unfortunately, even doing premades you get matched up against horrible competition more often than not. Most the time it is premade vs partial premade w pugs. Like this morning when our premade was rolling over lesser GS teams and getting backwards progression on leaderboard even though we were winning. I typically find better matches, through pugging, even if it is me on the losing end.
No offense, but you have rank 6s, blue artifacts, 28K HP and very low damage Brutal bow. Macjae has 40K HP and is BiS. What is there to be seen? What do you want to test?
Also Leaderboard means nothing because people disconnect from losses so they are not dropping. You need to farm PvP quite hard to go up, and do duo runs because full premades will drop you further, so if you play less you will not be that high.
If any BiS CW would come test stuff with you you will die in half a rotation since you miss the gear to make the class work properly.
Then you will come to the forums and complain. With 28K Hp.
Inviting someone to IWD is not a premade by the way.
Please stop bragging about beating another team in a PUG PVP match, that's all I said because it means very little.
You realize what organized premade is right? Both teams queue at the same time and PM each other when both team's queue pops. That way, you both will be guaranteed to face each other. When your premade beats his premade, that's when you talk about it.
Otherwise, you bragging about pug matches mean very little.
Actually, we ended up in IWD, no companions for me.. The fights came down to who got the jump on the other one first. Like I said.. I beat most other combat HR's that are within reasonable range of my GS, depending on their skill level.
Other BiS CW's can toast a 14k gs pretty easy mode, which explains why Macjae thinks CW's are middle of the pack pvp class. Me calling him out to IWD had nothing to do with testing Icy Rays which is already known to be Undodgeable as the system designer GC already confirmed, but more to do with him talking smack about high end pvp, when even though he has 6k gs more than me.. I can 1v1 him 50% of the time and he is lower than my 14k gser on the board. The problem isn't that CW's are weak.. Sometimes it just comes down to the user.
Thank you! Applause!
Like really thank you reading forum and starting to respond. And finally admiting issues with "Icy Rays after digging into it".
And if you fixed it locally please tell us. So that there would be no cry about it as much. Even if it will be in 3+ patch.
PS can you please make Ice Rays really dodgable not depending on bugs latency and rooting in middle of dodge animation?
That's just not true. If PB gets tuned down along with the glyphs it takes away a lot of the HR damage which also takes away a lot of the life steal. Already CWs can 1 rotation HRs if they have their daily up because you can't be tanky anymore, 50k or 30k a CW will be able to 1 rotation you because of Storm Spell and Ice Knife. You can't deny that once HRs are fix along with GFs, CWs will be kings.
Then I'm guessing you have yet to go against a CW who knows how to use his DC artifact. It is possible to 1 rotation equally geared players with a CW, If they properly use EOTS and SS then it's game over.