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The Battle with Tiamat - Moving Forward
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Update 12/16/14:
Neverwinter Community,
Last week we posted an update to a few issues players were experiencing with the Tiamat fight. While we did make some improvements to the fight, turning it into a queued instance did not have the desired effects we wanted it to and the current method of entry will remain as it is.
After close examination and many playtests, we’ve found that a queue feature (similar to the one we initially outlined) could jeopardize a few of the positive aspects of the battle with Tiamat. It would have also been very vulnerable to griefing, potentially causing players to miss out on the fight entirely. Because of this, a decision has been made to not move to a queue system. The entrance to the fight will remain the same.
We will continue to work on performance improvements and updating the environment to help with forming groups. We also have a potential fix for the bug where Tiamat's heads won’t rise and no rewards drop. We will update everyone on these changes once we are ready to implement them in the game.
As always we appreciate all the feedback we have received regarding the battle with Tiamat and encourage everyone to continue to leave feedback to help us bring the best experience to our players.
Thank you for your time,
Neverwinter Community Team
Original post follows, with certain sections removed:
We’ve received a lot of great and insightful feedback regarding the battle with Tiamat from you guys and we wanted share with you all how we plan to implement some of it in the coming weeks.
We are still investigating the issue where the battle gets stuck during the Defend the Clerics phase. We are also looking into the issue of players not getting rewards upon completion of the Tiamat event.
We realize that performance issues such as lag and low FPS rates have been among some of the top-reported issues with this module and we are working to make things run as smoothly as possible. We have also identified some things on the back-end, such as texture mip levels and texture budgets, that should reduce the chance of performance issues. We plan to introduce these in the coming weeks.
Here are a few things you can do right now to reduce the chance of performance issues:
Adjust your texture mip levels with /reduce_mip 1:
Type this in the chat bar to reduce your texture mip level used by all textures that are drawn. In some cases, this can make the characters and environment in your game a little blurrier. To return your game to its previous state, type: /reduce_mip 0
Adjust the character detail via the options menu:
Another thing you can do to is to reduce the graphical detail on characters. To do this, go to Options>Advanced>Character Detail and lower it to 50%. This works in a similar way to /reduce_mip 1,
but does not affect environment or FX visual quality.
We are doing all we can to improve this encounter as much as possible. We thank you guys for your feedback, patience, and support.
Neverwinter Community,
Last week we posted an update to a few issues players were experiencing with the Tiamat fight. While we did make some improvements to the fight, turning it into a queued instance did not have the desired effects we wanted it to and the current method of entry will remain as it is.
After close examination and many playtests, we’ve found that a queue feature (similar to the one we initially outlined) could jeopardize a few of the positive aspects of the battle with Tiamat. It would have also been very vulnerable to griefing, potentially causing players to miss out on the fight entirely. Because of this, a decision has been made to not move to a queue system. The entrance to the fight will remain the same.
We will continue to work on performance improvements and updating the environment to help with forming groups. We also have a potential fix for the bug where Tiamat's heads won’t rise and no rewards drop. We will update everyone on these changes once we are ready to implement them in the game.
As always we appreciate all the feedback we have received regarding the battle with Tiamat and encourage everyone to continue to leave feedback to help us bring the best experience to our players.
Thank you for your time,
Neverwinter Community Team
Original post follows, with certain sections removed:
We’ve received a lot of great and insightful feedback regarding the battle with Tiamat from you guys and we wanted share with you all how we plan to implement some of it in the coming weeks.
We are still investigating the issue where the battle gets stuck during the Defend the Clerics phase. We are also looking into the issue of players not getting rewards upon completion of the Tiamat event.
We realize that performance issues such as lag and low FPS rates have been among some of the top-reported issues with this module and we are working to make things run as smoothly as possible. We have also identified some things on the back-end, such as texture mip levels and texture budgets, that should reduce the chance of performance issues. We plan to introduce these in the coming weeks.
Here are a few things you can do right now to reduce the chance of performance issues:
Adjust your texture mip levels with /reduce_mip 1:
Type this in the chat bar to reduce your texture mip level used by all textures that are drawn. In some cases, this can make the characters and environment in your game a little blurrier. To return your game to its previous state, type: /reduce_mip 0
Adjust the character detail via the options menu:
Another thing you can do to is to reduce the graphical detail on characters. To do this, go to Options>Advanced>Character Detail and lower it to 50%. This works in a similar way to /reduce_mip 1,
but does not affect environment or FX visual quality.
We are doing all we can to improve this encounter as much as possible. We thank you guys for your feedback, patience, and support.
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We will continue to monitor this situation closely, but we will be moving forward with the system that's described above.
whats about dragon heads that stay down and cant be targeted
That was my first thought as well. Currently with co-ordinated entry and we can get more than 5 players into an instance. Can we do that with a queue system? If not, what's described above is arguably a retrograde step. Good for some worse for others. We'll see.
Another thing: sometimes the Red head gets stuck and it just won't come up for the players to strike it. I don't know if that happens to the other heads, since I only saw the Red one having that behavior.
Great news though, thanks for listening to our feedback.
Dragon heads do not come up - that has happened more than bugged clerics for me. But that is a close issue. The fact that wasn't mentioned is a pretty odd. But I hope that is on the list. I really really wish you could figure out how to get more than 5 people. Now it will be like GG where you get 4 groups queing together, and saying pop... pop... pop... no pop... Okaay decline. Except we only have 4 minutes to do it and not 20 lol.
But I guess it is progress.
1) Some instances are bugged and will give no rewards. This is because some instances are left over from the previous fight.
2) Sometimes the cleric phase doesn't end properly, making progress impossible. Hypothesized to be because people leave them too early.
3) On rarer occasions, one of the heads gets stuck in ascending, making completion impossible. Possibly due to an early attack of some kind.
Perhaps simply forcing people into instances based on group status would be possible? Grouped parties sent to the same instance and solo folks sent to another (so all the premade grouped folks are with other premade grouped folks)?
Honestly, with the 2 currently used tactics for the event, unless its bugged, its pretty easy. Being able to premake groups for it would be nice, but it will be REALLY easy then. I can see the difficulty being raised.
Now, about the requirements for the reclaimation project.....
Here come the one(phase)-shots!
If we can't enter with pre-made parties due to technical difficulties, at least lock the players in their instances. Once I re-log after a disconnect, I end up in a different instance, which is, in 100% of the cases so far, either abandoned or bugged (heads not spawning) - most of the time abandoned, therefor useless.
Please set it up in a way which keeps your spot "reserved" on a sudden disconnect, so that we may return and continue what we began.
(edit: removed caps)
If their best is to get all of this feedback on preview. Delay the raid after launch and still have all of these issues then I'd be worried if they did the best they could as that clearly isn't enough. Thanks for communicating to us, it's good not to be in the dark, but I'm just being honest here.
It's a shame there's no fix for tomorrow form the looks of things. You do also bring a valid point on the hoard reclamation that I hope they pay attention to since.
1) It's too hard to progress as a server, requirements need to be lowered a lot.
2) Dragon empire treasures don't give enough points. Also imo the regular HEs should give more dragon coins.
3) After completing "prevent tiamat's return". I can confirm it's useless. An additional quest would have been nice whether its a weekly for 1 linus favor or something. Zen keys are a fair enough alternative and the treasure's... 8 days for a favor 37.5 days (at a rate of 1 treasure per day) needed to pay itself off. I would have preferred to take 1/3 of the time less to get my item I wanted instead.
Also buying some form of rp from the favor shop would be nice. Although personally I'm kind of half hoping rp supply runs out so that I can sell mine for closer to the bazaar/zen store cap. The boe rp item at the end of the raid was a small step in the right direction to reward actual players.
Also still concerned about the 6th and 7th boons aka boon 5.25 and 5.5 aren't worth it if you ignore the extremely high linus cost (640 victories to get all 8 of my toons booned up if we ignore all of the other linus items I'd want. The last boon in particular is something I recommend 90% of the population don't bother with at the minimum.
Anyway, they need to focus on fixing the bugs first.
Right now you can coordinate enter times and get 10-15 ppl in to the same instance out of a pool of 15-20. That's pretty good and enough to ensure easy victory.
Also right now we can swap instances after a victory and help another instance that is short on players finish. This was probably not intended i'm sure but the chance at 2x linu favors per hour is very nice. If we switch to a queue system then we lose this.
TLDR:
Either let 25 people queue together into the same instance or leave things be. If you do allow 25 ppl to queue together perhaps bump the difficulty up a notch. The demons are fine at lvl 65 but perhaps a bit more hp on the dragon heads.
Regarding that, is it true that once your 5th boon is picked, 6th and 7th are no longer options? I'd have loved to go with 1/3 on 3 of the 4 available options.
Others seem to say so, though not completely convinced. Either way would be silly design. It'd be partially redeemable to pick something else, but as you progress, the rewards should be better, not worse or already have your first pick taken...
Bug report: The Breath Weapon for the Blue Dragon head is not showing a red circle before it activates. Every other breath weapon gives warning as to it's impending activation (as does every other big attack in the game), but the lightning breath causes an inordinate number of player deaths due to the lack of warning.
I have been told that at higher graphics settings the blue circle does appear, but many people are running with reduced graphics in the Tiamat encounter to help combat the lag, which is leading to problems with the lightning.
And change the requrements for tiers in reclamation. In last 2 days max was 14%....
This can be an issue if the waiting time will be long (ie GG queue).
Yeah, i had a momentary power outage at my house. When I turned my computer back on, started Neverwinter and logged back in, I ended up in a different instance. I tried to transfer after 2 minutes, but that instance was now full. My new instance of course failed. Since I was still in the party, I pm'd a guy and of course my old instance was successful.
The queue will accessible for the entire duration of the Tiamat event and only during the Tiamat event. If you and/or your group join later in the event, it's possible that you will join in the middle of a fight and will have less time to defeat Tiamat.
i cant really check cause /showfps doesnt work, but it seems to be much better on HD 6870 @ 1280x1024 and max settings, latest drivers, or close to that. reinstalled pc recently, had tried reducing to settings min but it didnt help much
now if u fixed GWF and RP ....
couldnt be that somebody on your network is sitting on torrents or smth
there should be an address somewhere where you can /ping to check during these lags + try pingtest.net to test connection to someplace near cryptic servers
Exactly, you've cut the 24 random team members down to 20 random team members. Not sure this will actually help, but at least I can play with my 4 of my friends now. I'm pretty sure it's no easy task to code up a new 25 person queuing system, which is why we don't have one yet, but at least admit/accept that you're ultimate goal is have one.
The could also make it sp thd purple waiting for party aura comes up at tiamats dootr when a party leader clicks it.
Then it waits for four more party leaders to step in the circle before starting map
Could we please Implement some form of event wind verbal communication.
option #1 - each group leader is given access to a instance wide voice channel.
option #2 - each group leader is added to a voice channel for only group leader
both of these would be overlapping channels.
This concerns me a little because of the long wait I've experienced at times in queues for other instances. People who are trying to get their off-hands and trying to go into the temple every hour, may find themselves in worse shape than before. Getting in later in the timed instance with less time because the queue was slow seems to be quite a penalty.