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I think we can ALL agree the loot system in this game has not been all that great since OB. The BEST I think its ever been is upon release when dungeon runs for BIS gear and CN runs for BIS weapons were the norm. When zone was full of "LFG" and there was alot of reward to run dungeons with a group.
Each module has presented something VASTLY different with loot style.
Module 1:
- failed because the MC GEAR was purchased with currency (NOT a drop), and each classes MAIN hand was crafted (not a drop) via professions - materials dropped but were BOE, with each classes OFF hand dropping from different bosses.
This made it VERY hard as say a GWF trying to find a group that didnt JUST want to do the first two bosses (because all other classes had a chance at their own drops prior to a VERY long boss fight)
Module 2:
Valindra's Tower was 15 minutes TOPs, an easy dungeon with a weapon set that could be obtained by a chest. Of all the modules, this may have been the best "loot" system but the dungeon was poor design.
Module 3:
This is basically PURE RNG/Grind fest. BIS gear had NO correlation to running dungeons, sorry - epic skirmish, and was a PURE function of luck and MASSIVE grinding heroic encounters with many players STILL not having the items they wanted.
Module 4:
Again frustrating because Draconic gear is worthless (worse than BI gear for most) and the best weapon is RNG from a final tier boon with a cooldown on it. Talk about a LAME way to get gear. THEN it must be leveled and NOT from PLAYING content but actually PAYING to level it.
PROPOSED LOOT SYSTEM:
What NEEDS to happen is this.
1) Create a NEW dungeon (or make harder versions of old ones) in which bosses drop the SAME item for EACH class.
Boss 1) has a chance to drop EVERY classes boots. Guaranteed SOMEONES boots will drop.
Boss 2) Gloves. 100% chance to drop A pair of gloves, again BOP.
ETC ETC
FINAL BOSS) Drops A weapon piece (much like CN) - could be off hand, could be main hand. But its a guaranteed drop of SOME sorts.
CHEST: Drops RP stones. GOOD ones, maybe some other HAMSTER like potions or crapy T1 items for RP.
MARKS: Some type of currency ALSO drops off each boss. That with enough farming you can PURCHASE ANY item from the loot tables.
What this means is something LIKE each boss drops a "Loot Crystal". So a full run grants you like 5 of these. Then allow GEAR to be purchased (liek MC gear) for these Crystals. Basically, if you DONT get it RNG, you can slowly work towards BUYING it.
THIS is the best system BECAUSE:
1) Gives incentive to run DUNGEONS again
2) Allows players TWO methods of getting gear: RNG, Currency
3) Awards RP for artifacts upon completion (I am thinking here the epic ones for 50k RP each)
NOW you will have ALOT of people FARMING dungeons again.
Implement a ROLL system where: NEED = BOP. GREED = BOE. So it allows farm teams to farm and SELL gear on the AH, it allows people who NEED items to get the item if they want or need it but its BOP.
This brings life back into the community again!!!!!
Ideally youd have multiple dungeons and just liek T1/T2s each one had only the FINAL boss drop a set piece item. OR you can take a dungeon like CN - make it a 10 man dungeon and implement a strategy LIKE this on a "raid" schedule say once per week. Just a few ideas.
Each module has presented something VASTLY different with loot style.
Module 1:
- failed because the MC GEAR was purchased with currency (NOT a drop), and each classes MAIN hand was crafted (not a drop) via professions - materials dropped but were BOE, with each classes OFF hand dropping from different bosses.
This made it VERY hard as say a GWF trying to find a group that didnt JUST want to do the first two bosses (because all other classes had a chance at their own drops prior to a VERY long boss fight)
Module 2:
Valindra's Tower was 15 minutes TOPs, an easy dungeon with a weapon set that could be obtained by a chest. Of all the modules, this may have been the best "loot" system but the dungeon was poor design.
Module 3:
This is basically PURE RNG/Grind fest. BIS gear had NO correlation to running dungeons, sorry - epic skirmish, and was a PURE function of luck and MASSIVE grinding heroic encounters with many players STILL not having the items they wanted.
Module 4:
Again frustrating because Draconic gear is worthless (worse than BI gear for most) and the best weapon is RNG from a final tier boon with a cooldown on it. Talk about a LAME way to get gear. THEN it must be leveled and NOT from PLAYING content but actually PAYING to level it.
PROPOSED LOOT SYSTEM:
What NEEDS to happen is this.
1) Create a NEW dungeon (or make harder versions of old ones) in which bosses drop the SAME item for EACH class.
Boss 1) has a chance to drop EVERY classes boots. Guaranteed SOMEONES boots will drop.
Boss 2) Gloves. 100% chance to drop A pair of gloves, again BOP.
ETC ETC
FINAL BOSS) Drops A weapon piece (much like CN) - could be off hand, could be main hand. But its a guaranteed drop of SOME sorts.
CHEST: Drops RP stones. GOOD ones, maybe some other HAMSTER like potions or crapy T1 items for RP.
MARKS: Some type of currency ALSO drops off each boss. That with enough farming you can PURCHASE ANY item from the loot tables.
What this means is something LIKE each boss drops a "Loot Crystal". So a full run grants you like 5 of these. Then allow GEAR to be purchased (liek MC gear) for these Crystals. Basically, if you DONT get it RNG, you can slowly work towards BUYING it.
THIS is the best system BECAUSE:
1) Gives incentive to run DUNGEONS again
2) Allows players TWO methods of getting gear: RNG, Currency
3) Awards RP for artifacts upon completion (I am thinking here the epic ones for 50k RP each)
NOW you will have ALOT of people FARMING dungeons again.
Implement a ROLL system where: NEED = BOP. GREED = BOE. So it allows farm teams to farm and SELL gear on the AH, it allows people who NEED items to get the item if they want or need it but its BOP.
This brings life back into the community again!!!!!
Ideally youd have multiple dungeons and just liek T1/T2s each one had only the FINAL boss drop a set piece item. OR you can take a dungeon like CN - make it a 10 man dungeon and implement a strategy LIKE this on a "raid" schedule say once per week. Just a few ideas.
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It would be nice to return to DD runs for gear myself, rather than for just new guildies or kicks.
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The only problem I see is in this part. 5 players could run the content a dozen times and be done as far as the new equipment goes. That's what I would do. Grab 4 friends and just repeat grind it until we were all geared.
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But with the way things have gone, first artifacts, then artifacts weapons, and belts, it appears what we might get next are artifacts rings.
No disrespect but i dont think this game is ever going to be back in the state it was in around Mod 1, the Glory days.
Hate to say this but it appears that from now on all we will be getting are RNG, and time consuming based items from the game. for example Artifacts weapons, and belts. pain to get and an even bigger pain to upgrade them.
Everything else I agree with! Make this change to loot!
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Please make this happen.
God knows this game needs some challenging endgame PVE content
I love that idea!
Also, the ability to "work towards" getting any gear for that dungeon by using the currency seriously reduce getting RNG wrath for any player! Genius!
Yeah I thought about this as well. So I thought you could just create a "daily quest" to run these dungeons, so they can only be run once per day. Almost like the solo-dungeons were for module 1 or module 2.
That way it cant be farmed as fast, and creates a HUGE desire to run the dungeon each day when possible because players CANT farm it constantly.
a good idea gives place to a better one.
i do really wish they could hire you.
tho my prediction is not that rosy. somehow we're stuck in a RNG universe..that's really sad. the idea of another CN-like dungeon was disclaimed many times in the forum and still..sigh
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Implement a 20 minute cooldown on each dungeon so you can't spam the dungeon 100x per day.
With this i buy your idea.
RNG and/or Currency for All Gear + New conditions for Need/Greed = A dream come true.
I hope someone reads all this and use it.
Agreed. Also, with dungeons like this, if you make them challenging and have 5 bosses you can potentially make them longer then CN was originally intended to be, with a few extra optional bosses for other items as well for people who wanted to be super grindy. If you look at CN, even though its a relatively easy dungeon and even though all the gear is BoE, a lot of its pieces still hold significant value. This shows that even if a dungeon is grind able, if it well designed then the loot within it will still hold value. Alternatively, if the dungeon was designed like spellplague, with kill x mobs and destroy y spawning pits, then it would force people to slow down their runs and the items in the dungeon would retain their value for longer because people are lazy.
Nobody likes running a dungeon a billion times to get a piece of gear, so making progress (even if it is small programs via seals) is better than simply beating your head against a proverbial wall.
I'd also add, replace chests with automatically assigned quests that award a bag with the rewards (if a selection of three items is required, pretty sure the UI can handle that). The moment the last boss dies (regardless of where you end up being when that happens) you can turn in the quest to get the rewards. This would completely eliminate the Boss Dies, Player Kicked, Can't Grab Chest problem.
How is this relevant in this thread?
Also players that joined a greed run, and then end up needing deserve to get kicked out, if you dont want to greed then dont join a greed party.
I dont give a **** if the item is BoP, if we agreed on a greed run, then it is a greed run, need and you will get kicked out. it that simple!
Awesome suggestion .
I only hope they see this too.
No more daily-oriented modules, more endgame oriented modules.
They should have hired you a long time ago. I see your suggestions on this site always and they are awesome and everyone agrees with you.
Excellent!
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