lazaroth666Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,332Arc User
edited July 2014
It can be considered as an AD sink, at rank 20 it might cost 100k i.e each enchant, once you have used it in a piece of gear you are unable to remove it, some people have gear for pvp, for pve, for solo content, etc, so it's gone after you have used it. If you get new gear you have to buy or craft 4 kits again, as long as the required mats are expensive they will keep a fixed price in the AH.
darkstarcrashMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,382Arc User
edited July 2014
Yes, I think it's brilliant as an AD sink.
Whether you make it yourself or buy it off the AH, it's gong to be pulling AD out of the economy, and it's priced low enough that most people will use it: if you're really broke you make/buy the mid-level ones for 15k AD each; once you have more AD you make/buy the top-level ones for, say, 50 or 100k AD each.
This is the level of AD sink people have been asking for, much cheaper than upgrading companions or mounts, and likely to be used multiple times by just about everyone.
Pricing the third level of kits will be tricky; I wouldn't go over 100k, and I think 50k - 75k will be better: about 4x the cost of the mid-level kits for just double the stats.
ooooh, this looks pretty sweet. Gives a really solid reason to work on an armor profession, rather than just leadership.
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elveMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 336
edited July 2014
The only thing that bugs me is that the Mailsmithing crafts 2 offensive stats and Platesmithing crafts 2 defensive stats while the others craft 1 offensive and 1 defensive stat. My suggestion would be to move one of the offensive stats to platesmithing and 1 of the defensive stats to mailsmithing.
The only thing that bugs me is that the Mailsmithing crafts 2 offensive stats and Platesmithing crafts 2 defensive stats while the others craft 1 offensive and 1 defensive stat. My suggestion would be to move one of the offensive stats to platesmithing and 1 of the defensive stats to mailsmithing.
Uh...why? If you don't want one of the kits you can make, just trade....surely there must be someone else who wants a defensive kit instead of whatever he/she can make.
Hoping for improvements...
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adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
The current Reinforcement kits will be lowered to rank 15 and min level 45 items required. There will be a lesser version at rank 8 (+25 stat) with no min required item level and a greater version (+100 stat) at rank 20 with min item level 60 required.
What I really question is whether there is any point in the lowest-rank kits. They are not really that useful for low-level players, as they change their gear so frequently (and unlike regular enchants, you cannot "unslot" those, so they would quickly be wasted ), and level 60 players will surely want the best kits for the 400 points they add to the GS. The middle kits might be useful to players that just hit lvl 60, to give them a relatively inexpensive boost while gearing up, but I really don's see a scenario for using the +25 kits - unless they are really, really inexpensive to make (no AD cost, for example)
Eventually, in other words not in Tyranny of Dragons.
Would be really cool IMO if the weapon kits DIDNT just increase stats but actual weapon damage....
If I remember right 1 weapon damage = something like 20-25 power? So it could still be the same "net effect" however just not necessarily based around "power/crit" stats...
Just an idea...
Might create some complications with some classes like TR able to get double the benefits, but I guess thats really not much of an issue TBH. Could do something special for GFs with granting +AC to shields or something cool as well.. Like +2 AC instead of stats like "defense"
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
Would be really cool IMO if the weapon kits DIDNT just increase stats but actual weapon damage....
Which is why you aren't getting them in ToD. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'd like it to and we just didn't have enough programmer time to make it happen
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darkstarcrashMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,382Arc User
edited July 2014
So I headed onto Preview to check out the new levels of armor kits. I will use Leatherworking as an example:
Tier 1: lvl 8 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dark Clover, 6 Tough Leather, and 500 AD - gives 25 crit or deflect
Tier 2: lvl 15 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dark Clover, 6 Exotic Leather, Arcane Shard and 15k AD - gives 50 crit or deflect
Tier 3: lvl 20 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dk Clover, 6 Exotic Leather, Dragon Egg and 50k AD - for 100 crit or deflect
Time to craft: 4 hours/12 hours/24 hours respectively
Unless we have an event soon that drops a lot of Dragon Eggs, we're going to be in trouble: between the high-end armor kits and the Emperor's Shirts and Pants, as well as Exquisite pants and shirts for all the coming Scourge Warlocks, dragon egg supplies are going to dry up.
Edit: And looking at the AH, people have already figured that out.
bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited July 2014
Even the 15k one is too pricey - we're talking about an extra 50 stat points here - for your average player, they would probably get better mileage by using some preservation wards and upgrading their regular enchantments a rank or so. The 500 AD ones are sensible - the others should be 2k, 10k and NO dragon egg. Another option might be to add a way to convert blue resources into dragon eggs, or add a daily quest to earn them.
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ironzerg79Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,942Arc User
edited July 2014
And....now Dragon Eggs have shot up to over 180k each
Perhaps adding a VERY limited quantity item to the required ingredients list is a bit shortsighted.
Using dragon eggs, which have very very limited sources (unless there a new source coming in Mod 4) in the recipe for the T3 reinforcement kit wasn't though out fully. I recognize the desire to add some sort of throttle on adding best in slot gear improvements etc, but this seems a bit much. Case in point, there are currently (as of a few hours ago) about 40 TOTAL dragon eggs on the AH. This sudden shortfall is likely attributed to the recent patch on preview leading people to stock up as fast as possible. It did additionally drive the price up by almost triple, now if you decide to buy one. I know occasionally there are events etc that make spikes in the total quantity available, but this could really use another look, perhaps. I am not trying to say that everybody should have the best items in the game, but I am 90% certain that this is really gonna put a hamper on people getting them in a reasonable timeframe. Add to this, that assuming people upgrade their gear down the road, which they will do inevitably, they will need even more dragon eggs. I can understand needing to create and AD sink of sorts, but this is not the way. Just my humble 2 copper.
Edit: Just checked the AH again. There are now at least double the eggs as a few hours ago, and the prices are dropping slowly. Even still, I recommend 1 of 2 options. If you are gonna keep dragon eggs in the recipe, please add them to the loot tables of the dragons or something. Or, take them out and replace them with a regular rare resource, like eldritch stones or something that you can ACTUALLY get during normal play.
Even the 15k one is too pricey - we're talking about an extra 50 stat points here - for your average player, they would probably get better mileage by using some preservation wards and upgrading their regular enchantments a rank or so. The 500 AD ones are sensible - the others should be 2k, 10k and NO dragon egg. Another option might be to add a way to convert blue resources into dragon eggs, or add a daily quest to earn them.
While I agree, that at first 15k sounds a bit pricey, but think how much of a difference in price rank 5 is to rank 6. This is about the same, for more gain.
Wonders of Gond might drop Dragon eggs somehow? Gond is a crafting god so maybe the event will have drops that might have a chance to drop Dragon eggs and other crafting materials.
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the new content would very rarely drop some Dragon Eggs. Dragons are kind of part of the theme of mod4 after all ...
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Eggs will be bad for a while. If you remember what Epic shirts and pants cost when HR came out you will realize why given that you have at best a 60% chance of Class 3 result. The empowerment is making that worse but that looks to be the shape of things.
New class means more shirt/pants demand, thus increased egg demand.
New "Emperor Shirt/Pants" uses dragon egg, thus even more egg demand.
I realize that dragon egg, and subsequently shirt/pants prices skyrocketed when HR hit, but this will make it even worse than that.
Think about it like this, currently each character uses an average of 3 eggs (based on 60% success rate). This will make the average character use up an average of 9 (I don't recall if the emperor shirt/pants is a rare with failure %, add 1 egg if so). This is triple the current usage, which means that theoretically it will triple the egg cost (supply and demand and all that). I am not an economics major, but that is just my feels on the subject.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited July 2014
Oh wow, ouch. Just took a look at these tasks for myself. I do appreciate them as a sink for various resources I have flooding my bags, and a way of flushing some AD out of the system, but dragon eggs are an extremely limited resource in the Neverwinter economy, and I agree that unless a permanent way of obtaining them with some regularity is added, the sheer number of new uses for them is going to create extreme pressure on the supply.
Consider also that some players actually use multiple armor sets, swapping them according to what they're doing. That kind of min-max player is absolutely going to reinforce everything to the utmost that they can. And since reinforcements don't have to be permanent if you want to change them, the demand for eggs will be greater than the above estimate. (Though not everyone will necessarily want the Emperor items.)
Emperor shirt and pants do not have a chance of failure, and neither do the reinforcement kits, so they won't waste any eggs like other items that use them can.
If they become a possible epic resource drop for the ToD heroic encounters, then we have nothing to worry about (other than people complaining that their eggs aren't worth enough anymore). Events (event dragon egg drops have had the snot nerfed out of them), lockbox profession packs, and even Zen packs are not reliable steady sources.
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Whether you make it yourself or buy it off the AH, it's gong to be pulling AD out of the economy, and it's priced low enough that most people will use it: if you're really broke you make/buy the mid-level ones for 15k AD each; once you have more AD you make/buy the top-level ones for, say, 50 or 100k AD each.
This is the level of AD sink people have been asking for, much cheaper than upgrading companions or mounts, and likely to be used multiple times by just about everyone.
Pricing the third level of kits will be tricky; I wouldn't go over 100k, and I think 50k - 75k will be better: about 4x the cost of the mid-level kits for just double the stats.
Uh...why? If you don't want one of the kits you can make, just trade....surely there must be someone else who wants a defensive kit instead of whatever he/she can make.
What I really question is whether there is any point in the lowest-rank kits. They are not really that useful for low-level players, as they change their gear so frequently (and unlike regular enchants, you cannot "unslot" those, so they would quickly be wasted ), and level 60 players will surely want the best kits for the 400 points they add to the GS. The middle kits might be useful to players that just hit lvl 60, to give them a relatively inexpensive boost while gearing up, but I really don's see a scenario for using the +25 kits - unless they are really, really inexpensive to make (no AD cost, for example)
Would be really cool IMO if the weapon kits DIDNT just increase stats but actual weapon damage....
If I remember right 1 weapon damage = something like 20-25 power? So it could still be the same "net effect" however just not necessarily based around "power/crit" stats...
Just an idea...
Might create some complications with some classes like TR able to get double the benefits, but I guess thats really not much of an issue TBH. Could do something special for GFs with granting +AC to shields or something cool as well.. Like +2 AC instead of stats like "defense"
+1 for an honest answer.
Which is why you aren't getting them in ToD. I'm not saying that this will happen, but I'd like it to and we just didn't have enough programmer time to make it happen
Tier 1: lvl 8 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dark Clover, 6 Tough Leather, and 500 AD - gives 25 crit or deflect
Tier 2: lvl 15 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dark Clover, 6 Exotic Leather, Arcane Shard and 15k AD - gives 50 crit or deflect
Tier 3: lvl 20 crafting, requires 5 each Desert Rose and Dk Clover, 6 Exotic Leather, Dragon Egg and 50k AD - for 100 crit or deflect
Time to craft: 4 hours/12 hours/24 hours respectively
Unless we have an event soon that drops a lot of Dragon Eggs, we're going to be in trouble: between the high-end armor kits and the Emperor's Shirts and Pants, as well as Exquisite pants and shirts for all the coming Scourge Warlocks, dragon egg supplies are going to dry up.
Edit: And looking at the AH, people have already figured that out.
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Using dragon eggs, which have very very limited sources (unless there a new source coming in Mod 4) in the recipe for the T3 reinforcement kit wasn't though out fully. I recognize the desire to add some sort of throttle on adding best in slot gear improvements etc, but this seems a bit much. Case in point, there are currently (as of a few hours ago) about 40 TOTAL dragon eggs on the AH. This sudden shortfall is likely attributed to the recent patch on preview leading people to stock up as fast as possible. It did additionally drive the price up by almost triple, now if you decide to buy one. I know occasionally there are events etc that make spikes in the total quantity available, but this could really use another look, perhaps. I am not trying to say that everybody should have the best items in the game, but I am 90% certain that this is really gonna put a hamper on people getting them in a reasonable timeframe. Add to this, that assuming people upgrade their gear down the road, which they will do inevitably, they will need even more dragon eggs. I can understand needing to create and AD sink of sorts, but this is not the way. Just my humble 2 copper.
Edit: Just checked the AH again. There are now at least double the eggs as a few hours ago, and the prices are dropping slowly. Even still, I recommend 1 of 2 options. If you are gonna keep dragon eggs in the recipe, please add them to the loot tables of the dragons or something. Or, take them out and replace them with a regular rare resource, like eldritch stones or something that you can ACTUALLY get during normal play.
While I agree, that at first 15k sounds a bit pricey, but think how much of a difference in price rank 5 is to rank 6. This is about the same, for more gain.
Enorla, Oh so devoted cleric.
New class means more shirt/pants demand, thus increased egg demand.
New "Emperor Shirt/Pants" uses dragon egg, thus even more egg demand.
I realize that dragon egg, and subsequently shirt/pants prices skyrocketed when HR hit, but this will make it even worse than that.
Think about it like this, currently each character uses an average of 3 eggs (based on 60% success rate). This will make the average character use up an average of 9 (I don't recall if the emperor shirt/pants is a rare with failure %, add 1 egg if so). This is triple the current usage, which means that theoretically it will triple the egg cost (supply and demand and all that). I am not an economics major, but that is just my feels on the subject.
Consider also that some players actually use multiple armor sets, swapping them according to what they're doing. That kind of min-max player is absolutely going to reinforce everything to the utmost that they can. And since reinforcements don't have to be permanent if you want to change them, the demand for eggs will be greater than the above estimate. (Though not everyone will necessarily want the Emperor items.)
Emperor shirt and pants do not have a chance of failure, and neither do the reinforcement kits, so they won't waste any eggs like other items that use them can.
If they become a possible epic resource drop for the ToD heroic encounters, then we have nothing to worry about (other than people complaining that their eggs aren't worth enough anymore). Events (event dragon egg drops have had the snot nerfed out of them), lockbox profession packs, and even Zen packs are not reliable steady sources.
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