But if you guys don't read the patch notes... c'mon.
I read all patch notes and I knew about it but honestly... it didn't click when I read your rant. I tried to lighty-heartily explain that. Again, my apologies.
P.S. the reason Mel says "monday" is because the Developers are usually not active on the forums during the weekends.
Honestly, I wonder if there could be a workaround because every actual player (not a goldseller) who is adversely affected by this change is a person who has spent real money on the game.
We already know that there are bypass mechanics on other activities that are moderately level-restricted (sending tells, forming a guild, Foundry access) based on having bought Zen or one of the packs. So I wonder if that couldn't be expanded to allow AH purchasing for the people who are just trying to dispose of their disposable income in a way that's fun for them.
Honestly, I wonder if there could be a workaround because every actual player (not a goldseller) who is adversely affected by this change is a person who has spent real money on the game.
Can't help feeling that this would be a common sense approach - buy a pack and have the right to dispose of the ADs as you see fit. It is only right considering the Guardian and Feywild packs give you 600K and HoTN 2m. Why restrict these??
If you wanna blow the lot in one day on the AH, why not?
For somebody NOT buying one of the 3 AD gifting packs, you should hit level 60 hopefully before you have that sort of AD amount (depending on how much the daily limit is). But for those with the packs, why restrict the chance to spend on profession assets or keys from the AH?? They have the AD that the company deemed appropriate in the packs, let them spend how they see fit.
I do see this as potentially restricting some people's gameplay - sledgehammer to crack nuts approach is never the best way.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited June 2014
I understand why the measures were taken with regard to dampening goldseller activity, and I'm pretty certain that it's working as intended as that goes.
But it definitely is having an impact on a segment of paying players, as an unintended consequence.
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I would again like to ask specifically, which item(s) you personally were unable to purchase when you tried to? This can help us tune this feature for outlying cases such as you are having.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited June 2014
Panderus, I've seen other people complain about not being able to buy Ancient Mulhorand weapons and off-hands. Not sure if you've already tuned for those based on prior feedback.
Just going to chime in and point out that this can also affect people who play for the RP aspect. It might take months for us to level to max level, but we'd love to be able to buy AD and spend it on every cosmetic ever, and that's kind of restricted to some of us right now with the limit. "Normative" play isn't exactly a race to 60 for everyone. Some of us want to play around in the game world, spend a lot of AD, and /emote dancefolk for no real reason other than the game allows it... unless you haven't raced to 60 yet...
I've been unable to exchange AD for ZEN for over 2 weeks now.
There are no offers ever since the module came out. What's going on?
I posted an offer and it did not appear in the list. I left it up for two days just to see if somone would pick it up since there were no offers in the list. Nada. My offer was 496 AD / per Zen.
I posted an offer and it did not appear in the list. I left it up for two days just to see if somone would pick it up since there were no offers in the list. Nada. My offer was 496 AD / per Zen.
Unless its 500 AD / per Zen, you will never get any at this point in time, ever. Even if you post 500 per, it will probably take around a day or two for the order to be filled.
I posted an offer and it did not appear in the list. I left it up for two days just to see if somone would pick it up since there were no offers in the list. Nada. My offer was 496 AD / per Zen.
That is because there is about 2.2 million ZEN being currently requested at 500 AD per ZEN.
So until those offers are all met, no offers at lower values will be filled.
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wmtrexlerMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Really? Because my offers list for buying Zen is empty. I do not see any offers.
I do see offers for buying AD.
I'll try 500 then and see if it processes.
That is probably because there is a (HUGE) backlog of buy orders at 500 AD per ZEN, so any sell orders are instantly filled.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited June 2014
. . . The AD limit seems to be around 100,000 per day on items not on an exemption list, but I am not sure. As to individual items, I am not sure either.
. . . We'll see what info they can share with the Community in the coming days. Keep in mind though, when dealing with systems to combat exploiters, information shared about such is usually not very with-coming on purpose.
. . . Never-the-less, please feel free to continue to provide feedback and list any items one feels should or should not be exempt and why. I've renamed this thread and updated the Original Post to serve as a Current Feedback Thread on the Auction House Spending Limit system.Thanks!
Does it make any sense to buy something expensive for a sub 60 char? Anyway you'll reach 60 in few hours of game play, and whatever you have bought you'll just throw it away.
A few hours to level 60???
I am pretty fast at leveling up toons, but it still takes more than just a few hours.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!" pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all." looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
Really? Because my offers list for buying Zen is empty. I do not see any offers.
I do see offers for buying AD.
I'll try 500 then and see if it processes.
It's the other way, if you select the "buy zen" tab you actually see zen being sold (thus zen you can buy, that is none currently). If you select "sell zen" tab you see the current offers to buy zen (that is some 2 million @500AD each).
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wmtrexlerMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2014
It has been none for weeks now...
Is that a Bug or is there really no one currently selling Zen?
Or are all offers to sell ZEN being instantly filled?
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
Or are all offers to sell ZEN being instantly filled?
. . . This. Leave your offer in the system, for cancellng it and replacing it will move your order to the back of the line. I had an offer take almost 2 days just recently. There's a lot of people wanting to buy but not that many willing to sell at that price.
Or are all offers to sell ZEN being instantly filled?
Yep.
As there are currently offers to buy zen at the maximum price possible (500 AD per ZEN), any ZEN sale will be instantly filled, contrary to the "usual" behaviour where you could try to sell ZEN at a higher than current price and they would stay in the system until someone offers to buy at your price.
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BTW, if you want some fresh info on how much it will take to buy zen, it's currently a bit less than 48hrs, my orders from Sunday just got filled
24 Jun 2014 16:03 17 Purchased 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:13 16 Purchased 4 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:13 16 Purchased 411 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:12 16 Purchased 20 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:10 16 Purchased 75 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:10 16 Purchased 38 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:02 16 Purchased 271 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:02 16 Purchased 141 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
22 Jun 2014 19:42 17 Ryuga Von Rhaiden transferred 480000 (AD) from the Personal Balance to the Exchange Balance
22 Jun 2014 19:42 17 Ryuga Von Rhaiden offered to buy 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
22 Jun 2014 19:21 16 Ryuga Von Rhaiden transferred 480000 (AD) from the Personal Balance to the Exchange Balance
22 Jun 2014 19:21 16 Ryuga Von Rhaiden offered to buy 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
Do you mind telling us the rate at which you buy keys?
90% of trade chat are just scammers spamming the same message for an hour and never getting a nibble.
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dragoness10Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 780Arc User
edited June 2014
I tried selling zen for 200 - 300 AD before. I listed it for that low. It all poofed to 500 AD per zen.
I'm for the AD cap limit though as it means you need put in effort to get to lvl 60 to earn the right to mass spend/buy on AH. It's not much different than the lvl cap to be able to use the Tell channel.
It's anti-spammer tactics.
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
edited June 2014
In hopes that Panderus is still tracking this thread/issue
Has anyone else found it strange that people are complaining in the same post about the exchange system being backed up by 3rd party AD sellers and Cryptic trying to chase 3rd party AD sellers away?
because you don't need high ranking runestones, mulhorand gear or anything high level for normative play. you can progress to level 60 without buying a thing.
Your completely missing the point. He doesn't play the game a whole lot, yet he spent a ton of money on Zen and AD and the game is NOT letting him buy what he wants to.
Your completely missing the point. He doesn't play the game a whole lot, yet he spent a ton of money on Zen and AD and the game is NOT letting him buy what he wants to.
yes, i get the point that he should have the ability to purchase what he wants from the AH, however it's not difficult to get to level 60 where that limitation would then be lifted. and you do not need to purchase anything from the zen shop or the AH to get to level 60. if he wants to and cannot because it is was deemed to be an important limitation, then you can provide that feedback. if the change is determined based on the amount of feedback as something that needs to be adjusted, then i'm sure it will. but based on normal play, it shouldn't affect many.
yes, i get the point that he should have the ability to purchase what he wants from the AH, however it's not difficult to get to level 60 where that limitation would then be lifted. and you do not need to purchase anything from the zen shop or the AH to get to level 60. if he wants to and cannot because it is was deemed to be an important limitation, then you can provide that feedback. if the change is determined based on the amount of feedback as something that needs to be adjusted, then i'm sure it will. but based on normal play, it shouldn't affect many.
I would just like to resurect this thread.
A member of my guild bought a a $200 dollar package.
She was unaware of spending cap , but did not complain.
She ground all the way to 60 ...AND STILL HAS A SPENDING CAP IN AUCTION HOUSE!!!
so based on "normal play" as you so condescendingly put it, it would sure effect my gameplay (and attitude towards this Game)
If I were to spend $200 and not only not get to use it until a certain level, but then also not even get to use a crucial part of the game (AH) because of some broken new anti spam measure I would not consider spending another dime.
Some people take weeks or months to grind to lvl 60 if they dont have much time...but i guess they shouldn't spend money here if they want to be able to use it in the next few weeks. Lame system is lame.
yes, i get the point that he should have the ability to purchase what he wants from the AH, however it's not difficult to get to level 60 where that limitation would then be lifted. and you do not need to purchase anything from the zen shop or the AH to get to level 60. if he wants to and cannot because it is was deemed to be an important limitation, then you can provide that feedback. if the change is determined based on the amount of feedback as something that needs to be adjusted, then i'm sure it will. but based on normal play, it shouldn't affect many.
You seem to have this attitude that people should just grind to 60 and shut their mouth about it. It took me sometime to get my first toon to level 60. I took one to 50, decided I didnt care for the class, took another to around the same, decided I wanted to try different class, and got that one to 60. Now I have 5 at 60, but reaching 60 was never my goal. Playing and experiencing the game was my goal. With all but my first toon, I used Mulhorand gear, Iuon Stones, , rank 7's and Greater weapon enchants, and Apparatus of kwalsh. All of which I bought through AH. I didnt buy hero pack, but I bought Zen and traded for AD to get my gear. DID I need that stuff to play? No, but I wanted it and it was my prerogative to do so, and , for me, it made leveling a more enjoyable experience.
What are you obligated to defend every bad policy? Or just believe that your way is the only way people should play the game? OP has AD, which he spent his hard earned money to buy legitimately. He wants to spend it to help aid him in his leveling. He should be allowed. If he wants to use his AD, to buy [insert any expensive item] from AH and immediately discard it, that is his business. He wants, or wanted Mulhorand gear and enchants, much as I had as I was completely free to buy whatever I could afford, to aid in his gameplay. They cost more than the cap. It is wrong he is being denied. It is just that simple. Heh, and BTW, How many people buy a Molhorand weapon for their level 60 toon?
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If this new policy gets the exchange moving again isn't it worth it? How would you fix the exchange? It's certainly an inconvenience to some, but if the exchange starts working again as a result I think most would view this as positive.
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They won't tell us.
Honestly, I wonder if there could be a workaround because every actual player (not a goldseller) who is adversely affected by this change is a person who has spent real money on the game.
We already know that there are bypass mechanics on other activities that are moderately level-restricted (sending tells, forming a guild, Foundry access) based on having bought Zen or one of the packs. So I wonder if that couldn't be expanded to allow AH purchasing for the people who are just trying to dispose of their disposable income in a way that's fun for them.
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Can't help feeling that this would be a common sense approach - buy a pack and have the right to dispose of the ADs as you see fit. It is only right considering the Guardian and Feywild packs give you 600K and HoTN 2m. Why restrict these??
If you wanna blow the lot in one day on the AH, why not?
For somebody NOT buying one of the 3 AD gifting packs, you should hit level 60 hopefully before you have that sort of AD amount (depending on how much the daily limit is). But for those with the packs, why restrict the chance to spend on profession assets or keys from the AH?? They have the AD that the company deemed appropriate in the packs, let them spend how they see fit.
I do see this as potentially restricting some people's gameplay - sledgehammer to crack nuts approach is never the best way.
But it definitely is having an impact on a segment of paying players, as an unintended consequence.
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And here is the OP's list of problematic items that he already posted.
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?692911-Can-t-buy-from-AH&p=8223551&viewfull=1#post8223551
I actually recognize in there a few items that goldsellers were known to be using in bulk buy/sell transactions.
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There are no offers ever since the module came out. What's going on?
I posted an offer and it did not appear in the list. I left it up for two days just to see if somone would pick it up since there were no offers in the list. Nada. My offer was 496 AD / per Zen.
Unless its 500 AD / per Zen, you will never get any at this point in time, ever. Even if you post 500 per, it will probably take around a day or two for the order to be filled.
That is because there is about 2.2 million ZEN being currently requested at 500 AD per ZEN.
So until those offers are all met, no offers at lower values will be filled.
Really? Because my offers list for buying Zen is empty. I do not see any offers.
I do see offers for buying AD.
I'll try 500 then and see if it processes.
That is probably because there is a (HUGE) backlog of buy orders at 500 AD per ZEN, so any sell orders are instantly filled.
. . . We'll see what info they can share with the Community in the coming days. Keep in mind though, when dealing with systems to combat exploiters, information shared about such is usually not very with-coming on purpose.
. . . Never-the-less, please feel free to continue to provide feedback and list any items one feels should or should not be exempt and why. I've renamed this thread and updated the Original Post to serve as a Current Feedback Thread on the Auction House Spending Limit system. Thanks!
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A few hours to level 60???
I am pretty fast at leveling up toons, but it still takes more than just a few hours.
myles08807 said, "Back in my day, we didn't have any of this fancy Mulhorand gear while we were leveling . . . we walked uphill both ways while dying once every five seconds while leveling, and we liked it fine!" . . . Now, get off my lawn, you kids!"
pointsman said, "I don't rue the game. In fact I don't feel any regret for the game at all."
looomis said, "I don't like people changing to alts and then bragging about their mains like schizophrenic role players."
It's the other way, if you select the "buy zen" tab you actually see zen being sold (thus zen you can buy, that is none currently). If you select "sell zen" tab you see the current offers to buy zen (that is some 2 million @500AD each).
Is that a Bug or is there really no one currently selling Zen?
Or are all offers to sell ZEN being instantly filled?
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Yep.
As there are currently offers to buy zen at the maximum price possible (500 AD per ZEN), any ZEN sale will be instantly filled, contrary to the "usual" behaviour where you could try to sell ZEN at a higher than current price and they would stay in the system until someone offers to buy at your price.
EDIT:
BTW, if you want some fresh info on how much it will take to buy zen, it's currently a bit less than 48hrs, my orders from Sunday just got filled
24 Jun 2014 16:03 17 Purchased 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:13 16 Purchased 4 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:13 16 Purchased 411 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:12 16 Purchased 20 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:10 16 Purchased 75 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:10 16 Purchased 38 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:02 16 Purchased 271 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
24 Jun 2014 15:02 16 Purchased 141 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
22 Jun 2014 19:42 17 Ryuga Von Rhaiden transferred 480000 (AD) from the Personal Balance to the Exchange Balance
22 Jun 2014 19:42 17 Ryuga Von Rhaiden offered to buy 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
22 Jun 2014 19:21 16 Ryuga Von Rhaiden transferred 480000 (AD) from the Personal Balance to the Exchange Balance
22 Jun 2014 19:21 16 Ryuga Von Rhaiden offered to buy 960 (Z) for 500 (AD) each.
90% of trade chat are just scammers spamming the same message for an hour and never getting a nibble.
I'm for the AD cap limit though as it means you need put in effort to get to lvl 60 to earn the right to mass spend/buy on AH. It's not much different than the lvl cap to be able to use the Tell channel.
It's anti-spammer tactics.
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Looks like the Xvim items need to be made another exception
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?697861-Daily-limit-on-AD-purchase-in-AH
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Your completely missing the point. He doesn't play the game a whole lot, yet he spent a ton of money on Zen and AD and the game is NOT letting him buy what he wants to.
yes, i get the point that he should have the ability to purchase what he wants from the AH, however it's not difficult to get to level 60 where that limitation would then be lifted. and you do not need to purchase anything from the zen shop or the AH to get to level 60. if he wants to and cannot because it is was deemed to be an important limitation, then you can provide that feedback. if the change is determined based on the amount of feedback as something that needs to be adjusted, then i'm sure it will. but based on normal play, it shouldn't affect many.
A member of my guild bought a a $200 dollar package.
She was unaware of spending cap , but did not complain.
She ground all the way to 60 ...AND STILL HAS A SPENDING CAP IN AUCTION HOUSE!!!
so based on "normal play" as you so condescendingly put it, it would sure effect my gameplay (and attitude towards this Game)
If I were to spend $200 and not only not get to use it until a certain level, but then also not even get to use a crucial part of the game (AH) because of some broken new anti spam measure I would not consider spending another dime.
Some people take weeks or months to grind to lvl 60 if they dont have much time...but i guess they shouldn't spend money here if they want to be able to use it in the next few weeks. Lame system is lame.
You seem to have this attitude that people should just grind to 60 and shut their mouth about it. It took me sometime to get my first toon to level 60. I took one to 50, decided I didnt care for the class, took another to around the same, decided I wanted to try different class, and got that one to 60. Now I have 5 at 60, but reaching 60 was never my goal. Playing and experiencing the game was my goal. With all but my first toon, I used Mulhorand gear, Iuon Stones, , rank 7's and Greater weapon enchants, and Apparatus of kwalsh. All of which I bought through AH. I didnt buy hero pack, but I bought Zen and traded for AD to get my gear. DID I need that stuff to play? No, but I wanted it and it was my prerogative to do so, and , for me, it made leveling a more enjoyable experience.
What are you obligated to defend every bad policy? Or just believe that your way is the only way people should play the game? OP has AD, which he spent his hard earned money to buy legitimately. He wants to spend it to help aid him in his leveling. He should be allowed. If he wants to use his AD, to buy [insert any expensive item] from AH and immediately discard it, that is his business. He wants, or wanted Mulhorand gear and enchants, much as I had as I was completely free to buy whatever I could afford, to aid in his gameplay. They cost more than the cap. It is wrong he is being denied. It is just that simple. Heh, and BTW, How many people buy a Molhorand weapon for their level 60 toon?
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