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fixtheserver
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I don't understand why GS isn't a factor with the matchmaking system. It doesn't even have to be exact but it needs to be considered with how vast of a swing it causes. I just had a game with my TR at 9k. Everyone on the other team was 16k+ while mine was under 10k. The match should never be launched if there is over a 4k difference in GS average. After 50+ games post patch elo has not evened out and the games are as unbalanced as ever.
Or seeing as it's STILL possible for a 9k TR to face a 16k+ team all with Shard of Valindras crown, then the ability to leave needs to come back. Nothing has been fixed.
Or seeing as it's STILL possible for a 9k TR to face a 16k+ team all with Shard of Valindras crown, then the ability to leave needs to come back. Nothing has been fixed.
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That is my best guess /: sucks, but it's a F2P game and we have to deal with HAMSTER to get us buying stuff.
It could take at least 10+ to get your ELO score somewhere in the proper range.
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Further, 16k for class A is not the same as 16k for class B. Fighters tend to have grossly inflated GS compared to everyone else, and there are variations even within the same class depending on gear selection. Some players' 11k characters are far more viable than other players' 14k characters.
And don't forget the potential to simply swap your armor to manipulate your GS.
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Yo! Nub! Unfair advantage? We work hard to have amazing gear and good builds.. It's not unfair, you just don't want to do it and then not have consequences. Have I stomped you before? Your name looks familiar
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Nah son, play a real game. There is no good pvp game where one player starts with advantages over another. What you want is a chess game where the other guy starts with no rooks or a race where the other guy starts 5 miles back. But that's the scrub way I guess, do anything to avoid a competitive situation because you are fundamentally weak. What a fearful little man you must be.
If the queue isnt busy, ELO requirements get relaxed to speed up matching. So matchmaking can be either working well, or not at all. Depending on the time of day and various other factors.
1. GS is not an end all be all indicator.
It is still an indicator in the sense that someone 9k should NEVER have to face someone who is 16k. It's not even a game at that point.
2. Gear swapping.
That's an easy fix and has been proposed by many people for quite some time. Simply disable the ability to switch gear once a match has been selected.
3. The question was rightfully brought up of number of games played since patch.
I've played at least 20+. This toon hit 60 the day after the patch was released. I spammed pvp and got my T1 gear a day after. If you'd care to do the math for glory required, it's quite a bit of games under my belt.
4.GS does not mean the same thing for every class.
This is correct, but equivalent power levels can be contrived for each class rather easily. The only one I see as rather abnormal being the GF. I could be dead wrong on this, please correct me if I am.
5. Weapon and armor enchants.
Each one would need a value associated with it that can be added into gs for the calculation purpose.
All I ask is a game that's fun. I could be entirely wrong on this but I don't think it's fun for anyone to be so outclassed that you can't even tickle a CW thats 8k above you. The closer the teams are matched the better and including GS in the algorithm and removing the ability to swap gear after it's started would likely go a long way in resolving the issues. An indicator is available so why not use it?
I do have to wonder if this game is already suffering from the same thing that every other game that includes an ELO based matchmaking is. Whats to stop my 15k HR from throwing 50 games to tank my ELO. You can't even report people for abuse of the system.
Thoughts people? Please try to keep it constructive.
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added a couple more talking points that I felt should be addressed.
And you know why?
Because once, in the dark past of this game, there was a tournament where these claims of "gear is OP and carries you to victory" were swiftly destroyed.
In the Preview shard, everybody was given full r10s and Perfects, then played against each other.
Wanna know who won?
The same guild that won in Live.
Why?
Because they played better together, mostly.
I'm actually right with you on that. Even though it's a rather extreme example, That puts the outcome of the game on player skill. However for the sake of the argument at hand, Do you think the team that won, could've done so while being 6k below the other team? We are talking a MAJOR disadvantage to the point of not being able to do any damage.
I dunno, but they would have put a very good fight anyway.
The guild that won then, still wins today by the way.
Props&respect to them.
The other side of this is that very good players unless having a new alt, have very good gear. You're confusing their skill for their gear in this case. They'd still win with bad gear because of skill.
There no balance and n skill needed if your a 9 k gwf and yur fighting a 16 k gwf with epic regen and gear. It amazes me t see peple think there great with high gear score. What a crock of shet.
Hey devs good luck up real never winter knights and see what made it a great game. Sure is not what you buult here.
After all this time yu couldn't even make a new pvp map really. Hw fing lazy are you all!
Guess I never did that then. I didn't kill the other higher geared gwf, but I did stalemate them and keep the point contested. I must have forgotten that it's death match not domination.
Don't be dense. You can win a marathon if you start 5 miles behind a guy if you are a really really good runner but if 2 equally good runners compete and one has a huge headstart the other is obviously going to lose. This stuff shouldnt have to be spelled out to you or anyone else. It should be obvious.
Its now about genius versus dunce team. Your baseline for thinking about any game should be equals playing each other. The result between 2 equally matches teams should be pretty much random. Give one team advantages and it stops being so and very quickly and shifts into inevitable victory after inevitable victory. Some people like that though.
Personal insults, why may I ask?
The team I am talking about competed in similar gear against other top PvPers and still won
It's all I have to say.
Its totally irrelevant. It isn't even an argument. A team won a game with the same stuff available to them as another team has nothing to do with other teams who don't have access to the same stuff playing each other.
Its a little bit like saying NiP can beat us with pistols only therefore its fine if all enemy teams are confined to pistols only and its fair. Not really.
I actually said I'd vote to give everybody r10s and perfects in PvP (wow you should see the rage the day this would happen lol).
So yeah.
Basically never said what you actually think I did
If they do that I would start selling rank 10s for 1 AD in AH. And selling every set gear I farm in dungeon for 1 AD. So I can crush this **** game and make everyone quit.
Or someone could drop $100 and just get it all nice and easy, you don't "deserve" to win anything, you are not entitled to anything.
With that logic you are saying that everyone with low Gs is a "good" player and everyone with high GS is a "bad" player.
Just admit it, a 9k GS vs a 18k GS is a no brainer, unless the 18k is a blithering moron, you will lose. And don't go telling me that the 9k can be a "good player and win it", the 9k GS has most likely had less practice, has a lot lower stats, no armour set bonus, etc etc. Meanwhile the 18k has probably played multiple upon multiple games, has a huge stat advantage, set bonuses, boons, not to mention the experience of playing PvP more than the 9k.
Does it mean that a low GS will "never" beat a higher one? No it doesnt. But you cannot say that GS means NOTHING. That is an outright lie, so stop defending such bull****. If you want an even fair match, then make it an even fair match and stop half assing this system already.
2. Make a special que for premades (even only 2 of them are in party before entering match, they must not que in normal one)
3. Make a enchantless que specifically for new 60s or those who want to do it in this way (for fairness match or duel??)
LoL... good, send me 5 r10 radiant and 4 r10 radiant or azure first before u send the others. Im booking...
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That will never happen here tho :P They capitalize on people playing PvE or spending cash so they can have perfects and r10s.
Problem with that is some classes appear to have some kind of advantage in gs numbers - GF for example - I've seen GF's 18-20k gs.. ever seen a DC with that?