beckylunatic wrote: »
Does it have to be video?http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?541751-Guide-to-the-New-Refinement-System
melodywhr wrote: »
simple in that no one really used it as intended? it was a rarity that anyone would unsocket anything. enchants were slotted and destroyed by dropping a new one over it. or people didn't slot anything until they had high level enchants. not to mention the number of shards/enchants/runestones as well as preservation wards/coalescent wards that it required to make high ranking items was ridiculous. and to some, unachievable. so they didn't bother.
so based on internal data, the devs changed it. fact is, it was broken. if you look at it in a realistic standpoint, nothing worthwhile is easy. but with the old fusion system, it was only possible for a few. with the new system, you can get the benefit from slotting your enchants/runestones and upgrading them while they're slotted. if you want to move things around, it's much cheaper to unslot your items. and every enchant/runestone has value and isn't wasted.
also, you should not upgrade items before you feed them for refinement points. you'll get more points by using them as they are found.
wildfire412001 wrote: »
okay, i looked at that and it helped some. but my problem is, say this ... i started with 36 cruel rank 1, started refining them ... i ended up with all these rank 2 that are 'different' levels of refining, so that filled my bag really quick. so i started trying to just do one rank 2 at a time, with the 'untouched' rank 2's i had stacked up, and now i have changed some of the rank 2's into different levels of rank 3. again, my bag of 24 slots is FULL ... where i started with it almost empty. i must be doing something wrong, i don't get it ... because the different level rank 2's and 3's will NOT stack. so how do i fix that? if i try to put some of the different levels in together, i get the message that i'm 'wasting' points and do i want to continue? NO! that was the whole idea of collecting them was to level them up. UGH!
obsiddia wrote: »
Based on that, all you needed was to make the enchant removal cheap.
Enhancing them in place is certainly not worth the rest of the new inventory clogging mess.
At least put all the items related to this in a separate Tab, so I don't have to see it.
No idea what new players are going to do. Certainly won't buy bag space for reagents
and whatnot they don't understand and have nothing to do with having fun.
dracoprimus wrote: »
you guys are doing it wrong, that's why you see it as so messed up. You don't need to upgrade a rune before using it in another rune. You don't need to upgrade your rank1s before using them in another rune. You can dump a rank1 into a rank5. Actually, I think you GAIN refine points if you put the rank1s directly into a higher rank rather than combining them into a rank2.
jorifice1 wrote: »
The trick is not to think of them as individual Runes, but rather as a collection of refining points. There is no reason to have stacks of any runes at all. Just dump them, four at a time, into the best rune of each type you have. It's relatively cheep up to Rank Five. You don't NEED stacks of lesser Runes. Just one BIG rune. And all the OTHER items? Also just collections of Refining Points. Treat everything as if it were the equivalent value in Refining Points and that bag space will open right up!
And don't forget, you can mix and match Runes. Don't EVER use one type, use it to upgrade another that you DO use!
deathsremnant wrote: »
Honestly my only Con- on the subject are reagents, ad their AD cost. Everyone was excited about the removal of AD cost on gem removal, but all they did was move that cost to the initial crafting. So if you were a cheap skate who never used gems till end game you actually use to be able to save AD that way, now you're forced to use it period.
khimera906 wrote: »
Go to the Wondrous Bazaar (AD store) put your cursor on each on each of the Marks and in lower part of the tooltip It will tell you something like "This item can be acquired from...". These items can be obtained from various places and you don't have to buy them if you don't want to.
shunterino wrote: »
Also not as it seems. WB only sells Potency marks which are only part of what you need to upgrade, and if you do try to get them from drops in Dungeons, god speed because so far no one is having any luck getting them from bosses or nodes. "Rare" means really, really rare. The other Marks like Power are even harder to get hold of because you can't buy them even if you wanted to, except off the Ah (people are finding them in lockboxes... hmmm, how convenient) for 250k AD.
Yes there are supposed to be places you can earn them in game, but they are super, super rare drops and on top of that in places where 5 people will be vying for them.