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Proffessions now deemed worthless imo.. :(
mistysummer
Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild Users Posts: 38
Ok yes I might be a bit slow but well playing last night I took notice of the fact that your purple items created in professions are now bound to character on pick up. I don't know about anyone else but myself I find this rather frustrating since I have been building my professions and assets since open beta, thinking of them as a resource for earning AD in the future. Not only have we lost the earning potential, but for us roleplayers professions was one of the few useful tools provided to us to enhance our rp experience, and now we don't even have that anymore.
I fully understand that it was better for the game's economy to disable the resale of purple gear found in dungeons or bought at the Trade of Blades and think the salvager was a great idea, keeping rare gear rare. But professions? Really? With the amount of time and resources needed to create say a set of armor a player should have the option for resale. Currently as things are now I really don't see the worth in any of the professions less Leadership and feel I have been mislead into spending unnecessary zen.
Please Cryptic if you could revisit this area of Neverwinter and find a way to give crafting back value?
I fully understand that it was better for the game's economy to disable the resale of purple gear found in dungeons or bought at the Trade of Blades and think the salvager was a great idea, keeping rare gear rare. But professions? Really? With the amount of time and resources needed to create say a set of armor a player should have the option for resale. Currently as things are now I really don't see the worth in any of the professions less Leadership and feel I have been mislead into spending unnecessary zen.
Please Cryptic if you could revisit this area of Neverwinter and find a way to give crafting back value?
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This does look bad, sort a PWE wants more money move because the weekly sales, colored dyes and drop box keys are not enough
I'd rather think it was just an oversight due to the small percentage of players who have actually advance a trade skill to the point of being able to create purple gear. If it wasn't a mistake then I have to agree, there is no reason to put any effort into any trade skill other than leadership. This change would seem to mean no more gem slot shirts or pants for anyone who has not purchased them before the change, not to mention the "new" weapon creation trade skills, potion creation etc...
Will the leadership trade skill be removed next so sell more zen?
Is that really the intent here?
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Your +6 gear rare recipes are BoE, as always. I reckon the pants and shirts are as well.
Way to get people worked up.
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With professions (other than Leadership) being significantly less profitable than before (in Platesmithing/Mailsmithing/Leatherworking/Tailoring you can still make a bit of AD from crafting shirts and pants, Alchemy is borderline, but Artificing/Weaponsmithing is just a sad joke) much of the motivation for buying profession packs is gone.....so I expect there was quite a drop in those sales.
Also, this pissed off a number of people who enjoyed crafting and had spent a lot of effort/time/AD in getting that up to 20 - and pissed-off players are not good customers.
Finally, this hurt the guilds - it is now less useful than before to have a designated guild crafter for each profession.
I think Cryptic shot itself in the foot with this one.
I've got tailoring, weaponsmithing and artificing to lvl 20 recently. Now I feel like WHAT A WASTE.
Also, the proffessions were useful thing for interractions within clan, I guess. You could just give someone resources to craft an item for you...could.
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What exactly would they spend the AD on? The gear is BOP!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Logic...does not exist here.
It was utterly insane to make the named weapons BoP and frankly contemptuous towards the player base to make the best weapons in the game BoP too. I kind of hope their sales suffer enough to make them think about this again.
I will happily spend R/L money if it's fun. I agree with you, it's gone way too far.
You're not reading it. People who used to make gear to sell for AD have had that source of income removed. Therefore they may now need to spend actual cash on buying ZEN to convert into AD instead, to buy the things they want.
Unfortunately PWE/Cryptic are going overboard on their need to make money and will only end up driving players away because the game becomes too expensive. Considering the cost of many Z-Store items, the relatively small amount of AD that could be made through selling items you've created was really nothing for them to worry about and should have been left alone. They could easily halve the price of some store items and sell twice as many, making the same amount of money and creating happier customers in the process. Gouging players who'd like to have something a little bit different from the norm is not the way to engender loyalty in your customers.
People who used to make the reinforced bracers to sell for AD. Other than the upgraded Formorian weapons, these are the ONLY crafted items that are BoP. EVERYTHING else you can craft can be placed on the AH.
A more legitimate criticism of crafting as a source of income is that the items you can make are for the most part not as good as the items you can find, so the market for them is small, except for people who are temporarily filling in equipment gaps or using them for skins. There are opportunities to make money with crafting, but you have to spend time seeking them out.
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there hasn't been any new changes to professions. for quite a while now, reinforced bracers have been BoP, meaning you can only create them for yourself. other crafted epics are BoE. i don't see how any of this is game breaking or some kind of indication that cryptic/pwe is dying/money-grabbing. you guys have some pretty vivid imaginations.
Could you be more precise on the opportunities available from crafting? Because I am not currently seeing any advantages to it except with the AD earned from leadership. As you stated in your above comment, in which I totally agree, most of what is accomplished from crafting is really no better then what can be easily found in game, leaving a very small market and low prices.
Wherein I guess I excepted something different from it, since it is harder to lvl then your character, and rare tools are so hard to find and expensive. I wouldn't even mind if they added more rare components into the game, making crafting more of a challenge to create epic gear and this in turn this would add value to crafted items. But at least make it worth wild.
As it sits currently I stand by my first statement "Professions are deemed worthless IMO" and not worth buying packs for.
"Blindness is a private matter between a person and the eyes they choose to use. For there are none so blind as those that do not listen dalharil"
Plus when you get to LVL 60, the gear you can make is worse than anything(!) you will find from dungeon delving, so only dedicated PvE'rs will use it (as they can no longer buy better stuff off the auction house!). Even then I think you can get stuff from Sharandar that's better, without dungeon delving. So Crafting has no point to it. The only Professions that have some value are Leadership an Alchemy. Plus maybe your own armor profession (just to get some reinforced bracers, but that's a lot of out put for a very small return).
The only way's I see to make crafting relevant is to
(1). Make rare tasks available at ALL times
(2). Make some equipment sets craft-able that are equivalent to T1 (preferably ti T1.5)
(3). Make leveling faster for new chars (perhaps like what you do for alchemy)
That would make crafting relevant and actually useful!
Um again the gemmed pants and shirt ARE Best in slot for both pvp and pve, and can only be made from crafters.... so how can you say that crafting has no point? there are many viable ways to increase the use of each profession, but saying it is not useful is just false. instead of flooding the forums with useless posts such as this, why not make a post suggesting different ways to make each profession better.. give ideas as to what each one can create to make not only something to sell on the ah but also make other useful things to be used, however the armor isnt ever going to be better than what you get in the epic dungeons.
For mankind, everyone having to be the same (knowing how to build a shelter, how to make clothes, how to hunt, how to catch fish, how to make tools) is a system that diseappeared 20000-30000 years before our era. Then the people strted to regroup and to specialize into what they were good at. One would craft tools, one would make clothes and so on.
Well, PW brings us backwards.
. . . . . On a side note.. I totally agree with the OP. I am beginning to feel overwhelmed by the sheer number of bind on pickup items. This is making me feel as though the economy for trading is being diminished and now is impacting those of us who love to craft as a playstyle on some of our characters. I am a crafter at heart in any MMO I play and am disheartened by the restrictions I am seeing becoming a growing trend.
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I honestly think it is just another nail in the lid to the coffin. I doubt this game will last much longer the way it is going and it had so much potential. Other games like the one I am now mainly playing allow players to craft high level stuff and sell it on the market. The whole bind on pickup mess makes it difficult to earn AD and help out guild members. I use to buy the PVP lvl 60 gear for new lvl 60 guild members to help get them started. Now all it is good for is salvage. It is a shame because this game had so much potential.
There is no point to whine for nerfs because you win some and loose some. Crying just makes a player look like a crier and no one, especially the devs, should take them seriously. Have a nice day!:)
Other than that there is nothing! No one really needs a crafter in this game.
Play one character that crafts only one professions and you will quickly out level any item you craft and find better items from mob drops.
Twinking adds armor is a waste given the level restrictions/spread of individual armor pieces and the complete lack of full set at any one level. (besides 60) Add in the fact you must use epic tools to get a rank 3 result and the cost of said tools, its a long row to hoe.
Store sale prices of crafted items suck big time.
They really need to learn that you get more with honey.
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I have sold a fair amount of items on the AH, however, the prices flux dramatically and frequently, and it seems the higher he item, the less likely it will sell.
So from what i am reading this thread went from 'the sky is falling' to 'watch out for that one bird up there'... Should i invest or not is still the question...
just make you own calculation:
- prices of purple assets
- prices of dragon eggs
- maybe prices for finishing the crafting for ad to be faster
- count in the chances to fail to do the gemmed versions
- check on profits to make with gemmed shirts and pants (over some time) in ah
- count in how often you can craft those items and how long it will take you
- also count in price drops when one more seller hits the market (you... and others)
--> then decide when you might break even and if that is really worth it
Sounds like P2C to me.
I didn't get one in Neverdeath. All my eggs are form the Tymora event.
Where does this egg drop? if you mean the quest with the professions pack you get at about 25th lvl, that does not guarantee an egg.
Of course you would need to have that profession in the first place to get the recipe to drop I guess. Another alternative would be to drop insignias or something that are rare to save up, then purchasing the recipes off of a vendor.
Just an idea to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
What Cryptic could do with this idea? Sell "Lucky rabbits foot or other good luck charms" for 1000 zen ( or that drop from lock boxes very rarely) each that improve the drop rates of these items by .1 %. LOL. cha ching!