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I don't get it..... Why you nerfing DC's?
irked01
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I can understand the nerf to all other classes.... BUT THE DC? We are the weakest pvp class in the game and can only kill people when a very specific situation arises. I can't kill a GWF they heal to much, GF's forget they take to long to kill. While the rest simply run away from me if I get remotely close to killing them.
So WHY are you nerfing this class? I just don't understand.
So WHY are you nerfing this class? I just don't understand.
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All about money, don't look for anything else behind it.
Anyone reasonable enough would see, that the class doesn't need nerfing, it needs improvement.
Wait a support class can't kill anyone unless they are already weakened.
The horror.
/sarcasm off.
If you wanna kill enemies, roll CW or rogue.
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR
Secretly CRYPTIC doesn't want anyone to play healers in this game.
Balance doesn't exist anywhere, not in life, not in games. It's an idea, a concept, how things could be, should be, but then again, everything is based on agreement and people agree to disagree. There is no unity anywhere in the world, people can't unite on anything, that's why the world is so diverse and we can only dream of balance.
It was never here. Not in the world of man.
Are we playing the same game? Keep group alive in PvP? Do DCs suddenly gained burst healing while I was sleeping? Maybe a daily that magically restores full health of all our party members? Why can't I see it on my power tab, what all these offensive spells are doing there? Bah!
Sadly, you've no idea what are you talking about, yet you dare to talk. For their best heals DCs need divinity, to gain divinity clerics mash stuff - mobs or players - or, yes, kill said mobs or players. More stuff killed - more divinity - more divine astral shields and other boring stuff. But even these best heals are part of something called "damage mitigation", because there is no way in this game to outheal damage done by DD-oriented players, nada. So if you rolled a DD character and have no intention of playing as a cleric, how about you keep out of the threads where people discuss stuff that's not familiar to you?
Oh, and for reference: even in the games where burst healing exists, clerics are better off in the PvP when they utilize their control/offensive skills, because at certain point mana will run out and this cleric will be a dead stupid cleric lying on the floor. But you have to actually play the class to understand it.
That's the most HAMSTER thing i ever read on an MMO forums for a while.
They are adjusting clerics to be pure tank/healing characters. That's why your "bursty" daily is getting nerfed to make the cleric focus on the tank/healing gamestyle.
Clerics are support class where they stand in the middle of a fight casting astral shield and throwing healing wards left and right, making their allies more durable. If you prefer going 1 vs 1 and killing people left and right then cleric isn't the class for you.
You are supposed to be a tanky healer, not a bursty super man.
Yeah because that daily that they nerfed was totally used in PvE!/ Incase you didn't notice, i was obviously talking about the PvP since that daily isn't used in CN unless all the adds are down and you start "helping"with DPSing the boss as a cleric.
And please don't compare hundreds of epic adds attacking you in PvE with 5 people in PvP. They are completely different situations..
My virtuous cleric uses Hammer of fate in PvE all the time. CN included and not just on the last boss. Though due to the number of adds she does use flamestrike more frequently and if more damage mitigation is needed she will use divine armour (mostly for a few boss fights). This skill is used in PvE and the nerfs will affect it.
Yeah i don't know how parties will manage to go through dungeons with the cleric's DPS daily nerf... /sarcasm
I don't get it y u heff 2 b meeed broseph ?
p.s. sry for bed englands (-o-)
What tank/healing....? After update it all will revolve around Divine power gain to make up for down time in AS AND low Action Power gain. So crit builds are the way to go, there is no room for defence. Not anymore. So out the window goes that theory. They want to push clerics in to single target healing from what i see, since all AoE heals and buffs get nerfed one way or the other and that is HAMSTER in semi Action MMOrpg. Hammer nerf was just slaped on to not make clerics feel left out from other classes Daily nerfs, or it was a random dice roll. Since i see justifing reason for it, not after Sunburst (AP generation) nerf.
They didn't nerf the heal, they just nerfed the ridiculous amount of AP you were getting from it. and 25% AP again isn't THAT bad to make me turn my DC into single target healers.
....Then what is a Daily Nerf if not a Buff/ heal nerf ( i specd in to it)? That "ridiculous" amount of AP was needed since DC was running around with one offensive spell. It had to genarate high AP AND DP. Now to get AP i WILL have to gimp my healing, by slotting another damage spell. Sunburst will still live on most peoples bar like pre patch, so if they wanted to make DCs use othe powers they failed at it. The only valid build is a Crit build to make up for AS downtime AND now low AP gain. So youre Deffence/healing presumption is still wrong. And HoF is still a random out of blue nerf. I still think they are pushing DCs in to single target healing. few more updates like those "balance" patches and it will be true.
Nobody at 60 used sunburst for the heal, since the heal is pretty terrible. Sunburst is 'decent' for heals at lower levels, but that's only because of a lack of better alternatives.
Sunburst was an AP/DP generating machine, getting DP for astral shields on cooldown, and AP for hallowed grounds/divine armours to cover the AS downtime....because they'd already nerfed the uptime of AS. And now we can't even do that.
So...smaller pulls, much heavier potion use, more frequent wipes and probably more wholly cleric-free parties because there just aren't going to be as many of us around. Cleric nerfs hurt everybody.
As for HoF: if your argument is "LOL U SPOSED 2 B HAEL CLASS NOT DMG LOL" then why are over 50% of our encounters damage-dealing, totally non-healing powers? And how are we supposed to generate DP and AP without damage dealing? Permaslot divine fortune?
It's just...weird.
Clerics, even at current rate, still retain a lot of abilities, that are meant I'd say solely for PVP, like Healing Step and that's just one example, and many abilities that weren't measured properly and/or are terribly broken, like certain set bonuses and abilities like Power of the Sun. If a cleric was intended to be a support class only from the beginning, not somewhat DPS, it wouldn't be given an option to use abilities like Brand of the Sun decreasing the target's crit. and power by 5% (even though it's not useful at all, since a dagger can easily achieve 45% crit, so you take away only 5%, he still deals a lot of crits), Healer's Lore granting power/damage bonuses from the Virtuous path, the last point in Virtuous granting you a 2% stack up to 10% for an encounter, no it's not HAMSTER, your point of view is just very limited.
If you for some reason get bored of the class/stop to like it after the nerfe, you will eventually create a new one, on which you will have to spend time/energy and maybe even money (many people would), so that could be considered their hidden intention, given the fact that everything in this game is built so they earn money.
If the sole purpose of the cleric would be to be a support class only (as it is viewed by the majority), it would have only defensive/support abilities from the beginning, so the intention of making it a healer/DPS class was there and it's obvious. I've played only defensive clerics in many games and this cleric is far from intended to be a support class only.
Or people will leave, because there's absolutely no way to justify these nerfs, it's not "balance", it's attempt to stomp the class so others won't feel so bad about their "nerfs". I've just run a dungeon with a cleric whose dps was on the same level as rogue's who was with us, and he was rather tanky. Just seeing him in action renders void all this [bad word] that forum "theoretics" post. Not supposed to deal damage? Support-only class? Amazing story, mate, I don't want to smoke what you're smoking.
About the new AS, I wonder, being now an encounter cure means that triggers all the encounter related power.. but that means the cleric will be cured 40% less inside his/her own AS?
The two most effective clerics that I have seen in PvP are as follows.
1. Clerics with BiS/P-Soulforge and rank 8+ enchants. With skill and a good build its obvious why these guys are doing well in PvP, some near impossible to kill.
2. Clerics that are stacking Regen with blue gear. Its relatively cheap, on our server atleast, there GS is HAMSTER, there stats are HAMSTER, but because of the Regen with a decent build and decent skill, these guys are also very very hard to kill.
Its very important for a DC specifically to gear himself properly for PvP. Your normal cleric with 10-11k GS with PvE slotted gear/enchants, unless very skilled, in most cases end up doing worse then the #1, and #2 that I mentioned above.(in my experience), because of the stat priorities.
The #1 type of DC make up probably 5% of the population...if that, so unless you want to spend some $$ to get the gear, and its obvious you seem to enjoy PvP, I reccomend going for the #2 choice.
What you need to remember to is you are generally Public Enemy #1. So if the group you are with is terrible, and doesnt focus people on you, you are going to have it rough from the get go. Also, its PvP. For 1, there is always going to be someone better then you, get used to that, and just keep practicing. 2, you "are" going to get one shot. It happens to 99% of people playing PvP. Currently I am playing my rogue...Using a lesser vorpal with an 11.8k gs, my normal La/LB(rogues 1 shot combo), is right around 22-29k. To combat that, if you are going to make a PvP set with the regen gear like I mentioned, I also would suggest slotting Health runes. Do your best to get your health over 25k and you will start surviving more of these potential 1-Shots from both TR's, and CW's Ice Knife.
Lastly....stop reading the Cleric Forums. Everytime a cleric dies it seems there is a new shiny thread over why clerics suck, and why everyone is so OP. The class "can" be in the top tier of PvP if played/gemmed/built correctly.
Take a look at your gear, your build, watch some videos of every class pvp'ing, and make your own judgements.
Gl to ya, hope this helps
Alysin Chains
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The days of clerics complaining about being killed in PvP are kinda done: everyone and his uncle knows we're almost always easy meat in PvP, and it doesn't seem like this'll change anytime soon, so there's no mileage in complaining. Having actual damage-dealing skills nerfed is kinda new to the cleric world, so that one could run for a while, admittedly.
Clerics actually do have a serious buff, it's called Linked Spirit, and it's the shizzle, even if only for 10 seconds at current rate, the more you heal, the more stats you get. I use it often and we sure roll any boss in any dungeon, given I boost my party's stats to let's say 8k power, 6k crit., 6k recovery, 3 - 4k defense, yeah, close to impossible to kill, problem is, people don't utilize this and I'm having a hard time finding a good party who understand the concept of unity.
And yea, like you mentioned, Regeneration is a seriously good bonus, problem is, most people don't understand how it works. Hence I always say, that Sacred Hand isn't a bad set, if used properly.
1 feat in one paragon tree that needs divinity to activate it is not a buff. Maybe a good feat but it's build centric for a healing spec.
Clerics do need a buff There are 3 paragon paths not one so you can't expect everyone to pick up that one feat. Sure if you spec for it it can be very strong but that hardly constitutes as a buff for the cleric class as a whole.
Clerics do need a buff
Linked spirit is great for making a mediocre-geared party better, but with a top-tier geared party, it's just diminishing returns all the way.
Exactly, because like dungeons all other PvE content in the game is required to be run in a party and DCs always run with a full well-balanced party for everything even while just doing storyline quests because they're too fragile and squishy to do anything alone unlike everybody else of every non-DC class. [/sarcasm]
Actually that last part may be true if they get nerfed any further than they're about to be.
Kaylee Krankenwagen, level 60 GF | Tavandruil Wayfinder, level 49 GWF | Aldith Langley, level 51 HR