or....you could just turn off zone chat.....your psyche will thank you.
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ladymythosMember, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 637Bounty Hunter
edited August 2013
Turning off zone-chat removes *all* chat. Surely there's gotta be a middle-thing? Not saying I spend time in zone-chat in the city, but it's vital for finding groups in other zones.
we can only report them for spam. 5 sec of your life for block that bot for 24 hour until the guy come back and make another account for spam bot. goldseller are virus on free to play game, we can only ignore/report them.
All things considered. Its not that out of hand. Annoying, yes. But out of control, not really.
Ive played other games, F2P games. Where the first act needed each day you logged on, was to ignore a new batch of gold spammers. In some cases 10 to 15 at a time. This isnt a case where it made chat, difficult. It made it impossible. Imagine a dozen bots, all spamming rapid fire on the same channel. Any other chat on the channel was simply obliterated. And you would have to add to that list every 30 minutes or so. And this happens in games where you have to spend money to even use zone wide chat. You actually had to use up a device for each line typed. And that did nothing, at all, to stop it.
thats what guilds are for, and player made social channels.
or havent you gone that route yet ?
All the "real" players leaving zone just makes zone worse, since there's less legitimate users in it. Having everyone completely bail out of the public channels would just reduce the game to a bunch of people just hanging out in their own private bubbles. Sounds terrible.
edit: I find right-click/report spam to be pretty quick and easy.
But yeah, some kind of automatic "flood control" system, that would stop people from posting multiple times in a couple seconds wouldn't be a bad thing.
leaving zone chat does 'not' make the game worse...lol....trust me on this.
heh.
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jihancritiasMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited August 2013
They need a few volunteer mods in-game, that can ban these people. Have their bans reviewed quickly, so they know that they aren't abusing the power. A few on each server, across a few time zones, would help.
They need a few volunteer mods in-game, that can ban these people. Have their bans reviewed quickly, so they know that they aren't abusing the power. A few on each server, across a few time zones, would help.
Yes agree, but there again this particular seller has been active across all shards for MONTHS, with the same name !!
i have seen, but very rarely , other Gold sellers pop up in zone chat, but they only spam a few lines and there gone, i can only presume banned and you NEVER see that name ever again.
As for reviews or discusions as to any actions that need to be taken to any of this kind of activity, i would have though Ban was and is the only option, so why ban some and not the main one.
I can see some thought having to be made concerning some names, especialy if they are deliberatly laid out to look like somthing other than a name, . But this guy, lol, his name is an actual web address, its just so blatent. this is a instant break of ToS, no discusion needed..
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited August 2013
They could add a separate "title" dropdown, such as Mr. Mrs. Ms. Dr. Sir, etc, before names, to cover that aspect. Of course "blank" would have to be an option as well. Then, they could only allow a capital letter as the first letter in a name, after a space, or after an apostrophe. Prohibit numbers or other characters, (save for the aforementioned apostrophe), and perhaps even limit the number of spaces people can use.
Yes, a stricter naming policy can be restrictive, but it will improve on the immersive aspects of the game and limit this kind of behavior.
Either way, *something* needs to be done...
PS: You can shut off the display of other people's names under GUI options. I have mine set to only show them when they're targeted/mouse-over. Having names display on everybody all the time also impacts how smoothly the game runs.
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rapticorMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,078Arc User
edited August 2013
A restrictive naming policy does nothing when they can't even add simple spam filters. As it is now people can spam the same line of text 5 times a second until you manage to ignore them. This is really something that can easily be handled server side. What legitimate reason is there to spam the exact same text 15 times in 5 seconds? There isn't one.
This is basic stuff in any other online game, people.
(Disclaimer - I haven't played much since the latest patch so it's entirely possible they addressed this issue but I'm not very optimistic that was the case)
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A restrictive naming policy does nothing when they can't even add simple spam filters. As it is now people can spam the same line of text 5 times a second until you manage to ignore them. This is really something that can easily be handled server side. What legitimate reason is there to spam the exact same text 15 times in 5 seconds? There isn't one.
This is basic stuff in any other online game, people.
(Disclaimer - I haven't played much since the latest patch so it's entirely possible they addressed this issue but I'm not very optimistic that was the case)
I agree... a limiter is indeed needed. There's no reason, like you pointed out, that someone needs to repeat the same line of text several times in only a few seconds.
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This is the one of the only games i know that you can name you character basicaly anything but a actual name, without being pulled up about it fairly fast by GM's etc, some you cant get past the initial naming screen if its not accepted
Going back to the OP , this one guy, seller, is blatently using a full web site address as his name, and even more its a gold seller !!! instank break of ToS, but he as been around since open beta, LOL.
Obviously there is no kind of naming restrictions when creating a character, BUT the profanity filter works perfectly fine in game, so how come there is not a filter on totaly obvious breaks of ToS in the character naming screen.
I mean seriously this guy is not just offending the odd player with is name, he his running around and as been for months blatently taking the p**s out of the ToS, and NOTHING as been done, seriously !!
Well it's a bit funny to see the undressed girl with the well-known name dancing near the door or on the top of the city. It's a lot less annoying than the zone chat spam, so i shamelessly admit that i didn't take time to report that.
I mean seriously this guy is not just offending the odd player with is name, he his running around and as been for months blatently taking the p**s out of the ToS, and NOTHING as been done, seriously !!
Its not the same guy, not even the same person. The same company or website, sure. But thats hardly the same thing. Keep in mind you can have multiple characters on the same shard with the exact same name. Just because the name is the same means nothing. It has no bearing on the account. I expect this site has a very high turn over rate on characters and accounts. I expect that what you see as the same guy over and over again, all this time. Is actually the work of dozens of characters and accounts, banned, recreated, and replaced as needed.
Its hard to stop them, its a free game. All you need is a fresh email and 15 minutes of time to get past the tutorial and its back to spamming again. A few banned accounts is just the cost of doing business for these guys.
"Its hard to stop them" realy, he or they are using a web address as a character name, that can be stopped. stopping the use of specific names is very easy to do, if they was using a random name or just a mass of letters like I have seen other gold sellers use, then it does get harder to keep on top of, but they do seem to get banned or disappear within 10 mins of any input in zone chat.
But this guy/company, i have seen the very same 1 character around the AH for hours at a time, dancing, spamming zone chat, without any problems, In fact i probably even have it on fraps. This guy as been around for 4 or 5 months and he obviously has the gold selling market cornered and is taking money from the game and the publishers , and nothing as been done , lol
So you saying they can go and design, code, develop new mounts and companions nearly every 2 weeks to create income, but they can not stop 1 ilegal company from taking money from their game, even when the people use the exact same name for the ingame character every time, i find that very hard to believe indeed
If they can filter profanity, they could at least filter names with "www" and ".com". Seriously, how many names - real or fictional - have you seen with those legitimate character orders?
The gold-sellers have already been getting around restrictions on characters in names by dropping periods, etc, as has been stated. And it's definitely not the same person every time -- I've reported probably a dozen of them, all different account names each time.
What's troubled me is that one gold-spammer a couple of hours ago had a legit-looking character name (given name and surname) but spammed the same message as the obvious gold-sellers did. Either they've started using game-generated names as well, or some dude bought from them and they hijacked his/her account. Didn't get a screenshot unfortunately.
Its hard to stop them, its a free game. All you need is a fresh email and 15 minutes of time to get past the tutorial and its back to spamming again. A few banned accounts is just the cost of doing business for these guys.
Totally agree sadly. We were just talking about this in our guild along with bots and AD farming to sell for real $. Maybe it is just me or the members of our guild but we all agreed it seems NW is even more susceptible to this sort of business than any other MMO any of us had played over the years. With it being completely free opens the door to both great things and bad things. I just hope with time and the player base being vigilant we can put a hurting on their business but I don't think it will ever go away completely. I mean when you can probably buy 1 million AD for a drop in the bucket versus earning 1 million AD honestly it is inevitable some are going to go this route unfortunately. Pathetic but nonetheless very true.
. . . . . The locked box specific thing cannot be disabled, unfortunately. In STO, they ended up putting in a toggle to stop them from happening in chat but they still appear on-screen. It's part of their marketing incentive most likely. The emote issue a known bug.
In all likelihood they have it force-enabled due to a problem that cropped up around the release of Legacy of Romulus where players would inadvertently get permabanned for repeating the URL of a gold-selling website in chat without seeing the warning (telling them to not do it again or their account would be banned) because the warning used the same message classification as those "player acquired whatever" system messages that players could (and pretty much everyone did) turn off.
Right because people only spell names one way. its not like anyone spells John...jon or Christina Cristina. and im sure you have never seen anyone named Marc or variants of Tom Thomas Tomas.... so you would never ever have someone named Malcom
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I was merely suggesting a probably way that com might be used in a name. as Beck pointed out there are other legitimate variants. You cant really spell check names because there are so many cultural variants especially in mmos where people will purposely misspell a name to be unique. even if you do not need to in NWO a lot of the characters we see here were possibly started in WOW, EQ, UO, GW or COH.
I think a 10 second delay between posts is not harsh. or make it so if you say the exact same thing 3 times in a row in under a minute you get silenced. but on average anything they do to prevent gold sellers will affect newbies more harshly than gold farmers.
In the initial character creation screen using or attempting to use a obvious e-mail address as a character name should immediately ring alarm bells. Even just starting a name with WWW. should instantly raise alarm. PWE have been publishing online games for years and i know they have name restrictions in chararcter creation in many other games, so whats the problem in this case ?
This one perticular seller uses a word perfect e-mail address. No other ever does or as, i have seen other characters spam chat for gold sales, but none have ever used a e-mail address as a name, and they dissapere very fast, banned or logged whatever.
There is a gold spammer running around Protectors Enclave. They keep spamming the chat channel with emotes and such. Very annoying.(yes, I know I can put them on ignore.)
I just report player..Had a dancer at auction area last night.
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bioshrikeMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,729Arc User
edited August 2013
I saw one too, and reported him as well.
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Frankly, I'd say they are a disruption to the game. Given the amount of lag issues in Protector's Enclave, having multiple spammers makes things that much worse.
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Ive played other games, F2P games. Where the first act needed each day you logged on, was to ignore a new batch of gold spammers. In some cases 10 to 15 at a time. This isnt a case where it made chat, difficult. It made it impossible. Imagine a dozen bots, all spamming rapid fire on the same channel. Any other chat on the channel was simply obliterated. And you would have to add to that list every 30 minutes or so. And this happens in games where you have to spend money to even use zone wide chat. You actually had to use up a device for each line typed. And that did nothing, at all, to stop it.
All the "real" players leaving zone just makes zone worse, since there's less legitimate users in it. Having everyone completely bail out of the public channels would just reduce the game to a bunch of people just hanging out in their own private bubbles. Sounds terrible.
edit: I find right-click/report spam to be pretty quick and easy.
But yeah, some kind of automatic "flood control" system, that would stop people from posting multiple times in a couple seconds wouldn't be a bad thing.
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Yes agree, but there again this particular seller has been active across all shards for MONTHS, with the same name !!
i have seen, but very rarely , other Gold sellers pop up in zone chat, but they only spam a few lines and there gone, i can only presume banned and you NEVER see that name ever again.
As for reviews or discusions as to any actions that need to be taken to any of this kind of activity, i would have though Ban was and is the only option, so why ban some and not the main one.
I can see some thought having to be made concerning some names, especialy if they are deliberatly laid out to look like somthing other than a name, . But this guy, lol, his name is an actual web address, its just so blatent. this is a instant break of ToS, no discusion needed..
Yes, a stricter naming policy can be restrictive, but it will improve on the immersive aspects of the game and limit this kind of behavior.
Either way, *something* needs to be done...
PS: You can shut off the display of other people's names under GUI options. I have mine set to only show them when they're targeted/mouse-over. Having names display on everybody all the time also impacts how smoothly the game runs.
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This is basic stuff in any other online game, people.
(Disclaimer - I haven't played much since the latest patch so it's entirely possible they addressed this issue but I'm not very optimistic that was the case)
I agree... a limiter is indeed needed. There's no reason, like you pointed out, that someone needs to repeat the same line of text several times in only a few seconds.
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Going back to the OP , this one guy, seller, is blatently using a full web site address as his name, and even more its a gold seller !!! instank break of ToS, but he as been around since open beta, LOL.
Obviously there is no kind of naming restrictions when creating a character, BUT the profanity filter works perfectly fine in game, so how come there is not a filter on totaly obvious breaks of ToS in the character naming screen.
I mean seriously this guy is not just offending the odd player with is name, he his running around and as been for months blatently taking the p**s out of the ToS, and NOTHING as been done, seriously !!
Its not the same guy, not even the same person. The same company or website, sure. But thats hardly the same thing. Keep in mind you can have multiple characters on the same shard with the exact same name. Just because the name is the same means nothing. It has no bearing on the account. I expect this site has a very high turn over rate on characters and accounts. I expect that what you see as the same guy over and over again, all this time. Is actually the work of dozens of characters and accounts, banned, recreated, and replaced as needed.
Its hard to stop them, its a free game. All you need is a fresh email and 15 minutes of time to get past the tutorial and its back to spamming again. A few banned accounts is just the cost of doing business for these guys.
But this guy/company, i have seen the very same 1 character around the AH for hours at a time, dancing, spamming zone chat, without any problems, In fact i probably even have it on fraps. This guy as been around for 4 or 5 months and he obviously has the gold selling market cornered and is taking money from the game and the publishers , and nothing as been done , lol
So you saying they can go and design, code, develop new mounts and companions nearly every 2 weeks to create income, but they can not stop 1 ilegal company from taking money from their game, even when the people use the exact same name for the ingame character every time, i find that very hard to believe indeed
Also, all people who purchase gold from these sellers and makes the transaction in-game must be perma-banned.
What's troubled me is that one gold-spammer a couple of hours ago had a legit-looking character name (given name and surname) but spammed the same message as the obvious gold-sellers did. Either they've started using game-generated names as well, or some dude bought from them and they hijacked his/her account. Didn't get a screenshot unfortunately.
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Totally agree sadly. We were just talking about this in our guild along with bots and AD farming to sell for real $. Maybe it is just me or the members of our guild but we all agreed it seems NW is even more susceptible to this sort of business than any other MMO any of us had played over the years. With it being completely free opens the door to both great things and bad things. I just hope with time and the player base being vigilant we can put a hurting on their business but I don't think it will ever go away completely. I mean when you can probably buy 1 million AD for a drop in the bucket versus earning 1 million AD honestly it is inevitable some are going to go this route unfortunately. Pathetic but nonetheless very true.
In all likelihood they have it force-enabled due to a problem that cropped up around the release of Legacy of Romulus where players would inadvertently get permabanned for repeating the URL of a gold-selling website in chat without seeing the warning (telling them to not do it again or their account would be banned) because the warning used the same message classification as those "player acquired whatever" system messages that players could (and pretty much everyone did) turn off.
Both in chat and on-screen.
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Right because people only spell names one way. its not like anyone spells John...jon or Christina Cristina. and im sure you have never seen anyone named Marc or variants of Tom Thomas Tomas.... so you would never ever have someone named Malcom
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I was merely suggesting a probably way that com might be used in a name. as Beck pointed out there are other legitimate variants. You cant really spell check names because there are so many cultural variants especially in mmos where people will purposely misspell a name to be unique. even if you do not need to in NWO a lot of the characters we see here were possibly started in WOW, EQ, UO, GW or COH.
I think a 10 second delay between posts is not harsh. or make it so if you say the exact same thing 3 times in a row in under a minute you get silenced. but on average anything they do to prevent gold sellers will affect newbies more harshly than gold farmers.
In the initial character creation screen using or attempting to use a obvious e-mail address as a character name should immediately ring alarm bells. Even just starting a name with WWW. should instantly raise alarm. PWE have been publishing online games for years and i know they have name restrictions in chararcter creation in many other games, so whats the problem in this case ?
This one perticular seller uses a word perfect e-mail address. No other ever does or as, i have seen other characters spam chat for gold sales, but none have ever used a e-mail address as a name, and they dissapere very fast, banned or logged whatever.
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