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Have to clear all Trash to get DD chest... Please make this happen..
abombination247
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There should be no reward if you don't earn it. I am tired of all the groups that want to run threw stuff to die and not clear trash that isn't that hard to begin with. I left my party at Karrundax cause they were just trying to exploit run threw simple trash to just die. Well if I don't have to die I won't. I think a great fix to this is that you have to clear all trash to get your DD chest. That way there is a reward for what you did. If you do short cuts fine you just don't get a chest. Dungeons are terrible and the parties that just want to exploit them are worse. Lets try and improve DD hour by making it that you actually have to do the Dungeon to get your chest reward. Thanks!!
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what they should do is to add more objectives and that you have to do them in order to get the chest
like in icespire, dont make it that you just have to kill the endboss but add objectives to kill the other bosses too and suddenly they all have to be killed in order to get the chest
Sorry you don't understand that small point but after 30 - 100 DD runs you might...just might understand why folks skip trash. Until then, you complaining about it shows that you are still a green horn.
-Trash with way too much hp
-Ledges
-Ominous trash pulls standing way outside of agro range (to frustrate this OP)
-Bosses with too much hp that do nothing but spawn adds
-Awful loot off Delve
-Scalable walls
-Campfires that are not separated by "use" objects
Stop building terrible maps please.
I compared a few of the dungeons, and it seemed to me, that the main differences between normal and epic, are that most if not all traps are removed in the epic version, and the number of monsters at any given spawn, is basically doubled..
It doesn't need to be like that. And it could be designed and implemented better.
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I think you probably have a very good point there. Quality over quantity and all that- if there were similar amount of monsters, but they hurt more and took a bit more killing (though don't go overboard on the HP, it's just tedious makework and not fun). If they were more dangerous, there would be more of an imperative to let the tank pick stuff up, CC mobs etc., and play as a team.
Because the mobs hit harder, they would require precise, focussed play rather than zerging. However, because there is a sane amount of them, it doesn't get too slow and boring.
Well, in a perfect world, that's what I'd like. I expect that the people spamming "LF <whatever> for T2 - MUST HAVE 10k+ GS STONE AND EXP!!! FAST RUN!" might beg to differ.
Yeah like there isnt enough trash to kill already. Tell you what, you can organize your own party and kill every single trash. Just because you like wasting your time on stuff you can use shortcut on, dosent mean others must follow.
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Not really, it's an MMO convention to call all non-boss mobs "trash", even if they're entirely splendid and worthwhile.
I agree. Add in boss mechanics and suddenly it's a proper dungeon.
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It's MMO speak like "mobs" and "aggro." It's to differentiate between the easier to kill common foes that tend to appear in larger numbers and the more powerful "boss" types that take more effort to kill.
If you're not used to it, it does sound pretty strange. Actually, it still sounds pretty strange once you're used to it.
This.
Have multiple and interchangeable objectives that can be completed in any order, which can include "run here and kill this" to keep it simple in the current dungeons (rather than requiring complete re-designs). Having more ways to achieve successful outcomes is a great way to go.
This would be a good idea for folks that want a chance to get a little "extra".
I could support the idea that if you smoke everything in the dungeon you have a chance at TWO pieces of gear in the DD chest.
This and the other idea about having any missed mini-bosses spawn at the end woudl both be interesting...
Folks skip trash cause they are bad and don't know how to do it the correct way.
It's the thought that counts. I will take any idea that will make them better so players stop being stupid with shortcuts and cheats. Just makes the dungeon even more unenjoyable. When completing a dungeon there should be a experience behind it. Should be rich there will be some that of course suck and you don't enjoy but over all when you complete it especially if you are geared you should be like that was fun great run. Any strat that involves purposely wiping to gain something is no strat at all and needs to be fixed. Never have I entered a dungeon in another MMO where it was ok we are gonna run and wipe then respawn, then wipe then respawn. No entering a dungeon you should buff up, flask up and down stuff. Get loot and feel good about it.
You go ahead and clear trash....let me know how that works out for you after 10, 20, 30 + times.
Don't you want a certain feeling when you are playing ? or is it just about the reward? Why do you do dungeons anyways. They should be a big draw with nice design and give you a great feeling in entering and completing them regardless of whats at the end. Currently that's not happening is all.
That was over 50 DDs ago. Yes I want the reward. I want set pieces and I want AD.
Killing trash for the millionth time gives neither.
That opens up a breather. Not so sure about knocking mobs off ledges since they've also added some walls.
I skip on greens. But fighting trash is fine.
I do like being able to run dungeons twice.
But more than twice feels too much like an exploit.
Haha.. No Folks skip trash because we have run the dungeon over 50 times and know its not worth spending an extra hour (not to mention pots and kits) fighting trash mobs for absolutely no gain.
Example.. When I run Karrundax with my experienced guild I can run it 3 times easy during a DD (and not use many pots or kits, and get a nice profit).. when I run the DD with someone like you or a pug.. I end up using pot after pot, kit after kit, because you want to clear all the trash, or not listen to what everyone else is saying and do your own thing. I ran Karrandux this morning with a not so experienced group and I was lucky to get one run in and it lasted for over 2 hours.. That's so much time wasted. When you start to run a lot of t2's you will understand how to min/max time and profit.. Until then i guess have fun clearing everything.. because there is absolutely NO gain in doing so.
That folks skip trash because they are bad is bs. If the folks were bad, they wouldn't defeat the final boss. Trash fights in this game and past mmo's that I have played are pretty mind numbing. No talent needed for the most part. People run dungeons for 2 reasons typically. The experience/fun/excitement it gives to learn new encounters etc and for loot. Neverwinter has one boss model. SPAWN MORE ADDS which really isn't fun or exciting.. That leaves one reason left to run a dungeon.. LOOT. That means people are going to run through as fast as they can so they can get their shiny. If it weren't for the dd chest loot wouldn't even give me a good reason to run because the loot drops are pretty bad. One drop per boss. I have run too many dungeons too many times w/o seeing a single piece of gear drop that I can use..
Exactly this.. Also if I'm not mistaken for a normal t2 run after selling all the crappy green items I usually make around 30 to 50 silver.. which is laughable at best.. It pays for like 2 injury kits.. So once again.. Have fun clearing all the trash.. Good Luck OP
I'll never understand people who want to finish dungeons as quickly as possible, skipping as much trash as they can, using cheats and exploits and glitches to get though it with as little gameplay as they can.
What's the point? So they can get to the end and get their gear, which they then use in the next run to not fight?
If trash is boring in any given dungeon, the solution is not to take it out, the solution is to make it more difficult so it's not a hindrance, it's a challenge.
Whenever I hear people say, "I hate fighting trash", all I hear is "I don't actually like playing this game, I just want a digital pat on the back in the form of purple pixels."
If you don't enjoy it well I won't suggest the obvious option then.
Its not the reward. Its the journey