You did not attempt to reason. You leveled a personal attack.
As for the Ebay argument, if anyone had paid any money to Cryptic in order to host their auction under terms of a contract (as one does every time one lists something on Ebay) they might have a case. However, nothing has actually been lost in this case. The item merely sold for less than the poster expected by virtue of the way he listed the item and an unexpected event. Even in the case of Ebay, nobody would "lose" anything. They would be selling items below their worth but again, Ebay has safeguards to prevent that from happening (the same safeguards the auction house has, if people choose to use them) and I believe Ebay even warns users not to list items below what they're comfortable selling for.
I won't reason with someone that claims that black is white.
Duration for an auction is very important. If the duration is rigged, the whole deal is off and the auction is invalid.
Wow did it like this for a while(Think it still does during normal maintenance), even D3 which came out years after. Guess what. I'm 99% certain Guild Wars 2 did it like this as well. The only thing is, they didn't have an outage this long, but they also didn't have auction posts for 5days either. I bet in order to work this bug out, they had to let the auctions expire or the 'bugged' listings will still be there and the glitch will run rampant again. You people complaining that your million diamond item sold for 1, it's your own fault that you didn't put a minimum bid that was acceptable to your standards. Would you have put a Ferrari up at auction in real life with a starting bid of 1$? You'd be called an idiot if you did. And as a 'gentleman's' agreement goes the first to raise their hand at the 1$ bid would win it just to teach you a lesson.
I assume with this issue, lesson learned and you'll either put buyout only or put a min bid that's more acceptable yeah? You try to shortchange the game, sometimes you get burned it's as simple as that.
Wow did it like this for a while(Think it still does during normal maintenance), even D3 which came out years after. Guess what. I'm 99% certain Guild Wars 2 did it like this as well. The only thing is, they didn't have an outage this long, but they also didn't have auction posts for 5days either. I bet in order to work this bug out, they had to let the auctions expire or the 'bugged' listings will still be there and the glitch will run rampant again. You people complaining that your million diamond item sold for 1, it's your own fault that you didn't put a minimum bid that was acceptable to your standards. Would you have put a Ferrari up at auction in real life with a starting bid of 1$? You'd be called an idiot if you did. And as a 'gentleman's' agreement goes the first to raise their hand at the 1$ bid would win it just to teach you a lesson.
I assume with this issue, lesson learned and you'll either put buyout only or put a min bid that's more acceptable yeah? You try to shortchange the game, sometimes you get burned it's as simple as that.
Ferrari
1$ starting bid 3 month duration -- probable
1$ starting bid 10 mins duration -- almost impossible
I know you can't see any difference in this two cases, but don't worry.
You did not attempt to reason. You leveled a personal attack.
As for the Ebay argument, if anyone had paid any money to Cryptic in order to host their auction under terms of a contract (as one does every time one lists something on Ebay) they might have a case.
AD = ZEN = Real Money.
But whatever.
Discussions won't do anything. It happened. Cryptic failed. Again. Moving on to the next big mmo fail.
I won't reason with someone that claims that black is white.
Duration for an auction is very important. If the duration is rigged, the whole deal is off and the auction is invalid.
The duration was not rigged. The entire auction process was corrupted by cheaters. The auction house was taken offline to protect people who had listed items there. That was not his choice. If one of the cheaters had bid on his item, he would have received nothing and lost the item entirely. Granted, if the auction timer could have been stopped, that would have been a smart thing to do. However, if the poster had protected himself with a reasonable minimum bid, instead of taking a gamble, he would not have sold his item for less than its value. That WAS his choice. Furthermore, think about how illogical that is. It is a tactic and a risky one at that. Clearly, the value of the item (next to nothing for the poster) was less than the value of a POTENTIAL profit gained by using this tactic. The poster chose what was more valuable to him.
It's laughable for people to say that this guy deserved what he got.
Sure, in an auction you can't normally retract your item once it goes up onto the auction block, so you could say that this guy took his chances when he placed his item up for such a low minimum bid.
HOWEVER, the auctioneer also isn't allowed to take only 1 or 2 bids, then freeze the auction for a while, then declare the auction closed without letting anyone else bid. That would be some pretty serious fraud, right there. He has every right to want his item back, when the auctioneer didn't hold a proper auction, and didn't let the bidding continue for the set amount of time which was agreed upon by both the auctioneer and the seller.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly. They let auction times expire, without letting players bid properly on those auctions. The bottom line is, even in real life people set minimum bids below what they are comfortable getting for their item, with the understanding that there will, you know, BE AN AUCTION. ...Which there wasn't, not a full and complete auction, at any rate.
What SHOULD have happened is that all auctions should have been taken off of the auction house. All of the items that were on the AH should have appeared in people's mail boxes, giving them the opportunity to post these items again, and start the auctions over from scratch.
Again and again, PWE/Cryptic show that they have no idea what they are doing, here. They handled this issue poorly right from the start; from "losing" the bug reports in closed beta which detailed this exploit, to allowing the Zen Market to reset to a 500:1 ratio (which, as far as I'm concerned, is criminal, because they are profiting from this exploit), to forcing players to lose hours from their auction times, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over players like the thread starter.
Anyone arguing against the OP is just looking to be argumentative. He is perfectly justified in being angry that Cryptic denied both him and his potential buyers access to the auction house, while allowing someone's low-ball bid to tick away to the point where they won his auction at a steal. In a real-world auction, that's not even legal.
-Travail.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Discussions won't do anything. It happened. Cryptic failed. Again. Moving on to the next big mmo fail.
AD can not be converted directly into cash, not even through ZEN. Even so, there's no agreement, implicit or otherwise, made between Cryptic, Perfect World, or anyone else in regards to how the auction house works. It's a gamble every single time. Don't play if you're not prepared to pay.
However, if the poster had protected himself with a reasonable minimum bid, instead of taking a gamble, he would not have sold his item for less than its value. That WAS his choice. Furthermore, think about how illogical that is. It is a tactic and a risky one at that. Clearly, the value of the item (next to nothing for the poster) was less than the value of a POTENTIAL profit gained by using this tactic. The poster chose what was more valuable to him.
Why don't you understand the posters anger? If it would've sold for 2AD's but legit, without AH being down and timers not, then yes. You're right, he would've took the risk and lost.
The duration was not rigged. The entire auction process was corrupted by cheaters. The auction house was taken offline to protect people who had listed items there. That was not his choice. If one of the cheaters had bid on his item, he would have received nothing and lost the item entirely. Granted, if the auction timer could have been stopped, that would have been a smart thing to do. However, if the poster had protected himself with a reasonable minimum bid, instead of taking a gamble, he would not have sold his item for less than its value. That WAS his choice. Furthermore, think about how illogical that is. It is a tactic and a risky one at that. Clearly, the value of the item (next to nothing for the poster) was less than the value of a POTENTIAL profit gained by using this tactic. The poster chose what was more valuable to him.
A seal may <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and bring the whole server done.
Why don't you understand the posters anger? If it would've sold for 2AD's but legit, without AH being down and timers not, then yes. You're right, he would've took the risk and lost.
Don't worry man, they are defending abnormal thinking, but all they do is raising awareness by bumping this thread.
It's laughable for people to say that this guy deserved what he got.
Sure, in an auction you can't normally retract your item once it goes up onto the auction block, so you could say that this guy took his chances when he placed his item up for such a low minimum bid.
HOWEVER, the auctioneer also isn't allowed to take only 1 or 2 bids, then freeze the auction for a while, then declare the auction closed without letting anyone else bid. That would be some pretty serious fraud, right there. He has every right to want his item back, when the auctioneer didn't hold a proper auction, and didn't let the bidding continue for the set amount of time which was agreed upon by both the auctioneer and the seller.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly. They let auction times expire, without letting players bid properly on those auctions. The bottom line is, even in real life people set minimum bids below what they are comfortable getting for their item, with the understanding that there will, you know, BE AN AUCTION. ...Which there wasn't, not a full and complete auction, at any rate.
What SHOULD have happened is that all auctions should have been taken off of the auction house. All of the items that were on the AH should have appeared in people's mail boxes, giving them the opportunity to post these items again, and start the auctions over from scratch.
Again and again, PWE/Cryptic show that they have no idea what they are doing, here. They handled this issue poorly right from the start; from "losing" the bug reports in closed beta which detailed this exploit, to allowing the Zen Market to reset to a 500:1 ratio (which, as far as I'm concerned, is criminal, because they are profiting from this exploit), to forcing players to lose hours from their auction times, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over players like the thread starter.
Anyone arguing against the OP is just looking to be argumentative. He is perfectly justified in being angry that Cryptic denied both him and his potential buyers access to the auction house, while allowing someone's low-ball bid to tick away to the point where they won his auction at a steal. In a real-world auction, that's not even legal.
-Travail.
Actually, no. His MO for auctioning? List it really low to save money, and if he doesn't get the bid he wants, pull it. That's exploiting the AH. Once a bid is placed, the item should be locked in for sale. This will, as I stated earlier, force people to list at prices they would be comfortable with getting, just in case. So, if the item sold, somebody bid, and he should have been locked out of reclaiming it, no matter how long the auction ran. Sorry, but an exploit is an exploit.
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
Why don't you understand the posters anger? If it would've sold for 2AD's but legit, without AH being down and timers not, then yes. You're right, he would've took the risk and lost.
Because if he would have posted for an amount that he would have been happy with receiving, the AH going down would be a non-issue, like it is for those who use it as it was intended.
It's laughable for people to say that this guy deserved what he got.
Sure, in an auction you can't normally retract your item once it goes up onto the auction block, so you could say that this guy took his chances when he placed his item up for such a low minimum bid.
HOWEVER, the auctioneer also isn't allowed to take only 1 or 2 bids, then freeze the auction for a while, then declare the auction closed without letting anyone else bid. That would be some pretty serious fraud, right there. He has every right to want his item back, when the auctioneer didn't hold a proper auction, and didn't let the bidding continue for the set amount of time which was agreed upon by both the auctioneer and the seller.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly. They let auction times expire, without letting players bid properly on those auctions. The bottom line is, even in real life people set minimum bids below what they are comfortable getting for their item, with the understanding that there will, you know, BE AN AUCTION. ...Which there wasn't, not a full and complete auction, at any rate.
What SHOULD have happened is that all auctions should have been taken off of the auction house. All of the items that were on the AH should have appeared in people's mail boxes, giving them the opportunity to post these items again, and start the auctions over from scratch.
Again and again, PWE/Cryptic show that they have no idea what they are doing, here. They handled this issue poorly right from the start; from "losing" the bug reports in closed beta which detailed this exploit, to allowing the Zen Market to reset to a 500:1 ratio (which, as far as I'm concerned, is criminal, because they are profiting from this exploit), to forcing players to lose hours from their auction times, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over players like the thread starter.
Anyone arguing against the OP is just looking to be argumentative. He is perfectly justified in being angry that Cryptic denied both him and his potential buyers access to the auction house, while allowing someone's low-ball bid to tick away to the point where they won his auction at a steal. In a real-world auction, that's not even legal.
-Travail.
Truth, and the entire point of this thread.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly indeed.
The duration was not rigged. The entire auction process was corrupted by cheaters. The auction house was taken offline to protect people who had listed items there. That was not his choice. If one of the cheaters had bid on his item, he would have received nothing and lost the item entirely. Granted, if the auction timer could have been stopped, that would have been a smart thing to do. However, if the poster had protected himself with a reasonable minimum bid, instead of taking a gamble, he would not have sold his item for less than its value. That WAS his choice. Furthermore, think about how illogical that is. It is a tactic and a risky one at that. Clearly, the value of the item (next to nothing for the poster) was less than the value of a POTENTIAL profit gained by using this tactic. The poster chose what was more valuable to him.
Yeah, right, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the auctioneer freezing an auction after someone places a low-ball bid, then declaring the auction over without allowing any more bids.
:rolleyes:
-Travail.
Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
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grzmot33kMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
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Actually, no. His MO for auctioning? List it really low to save money, and if he doesn't get the bid he wants, pull it. That's exploiting the AH. Once a bid is placed, the item should be locked in for sale. This will, as I stated earlier, force people to list at prices they would be comfortable with getting, just in case. So, if the item sold, somebody bid, and he should have been locked out of reclaiming it, no matter how long the auction ran. Sorry, but an exploit is an exploit.
Next persont dont read thread, Auction is locked after bidding (found about it here ).
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Actually, no. His MO for auctioning? List it really low to save money, and if he doesn't get the bid he wants, pull it. That's exploiting the AH. Once a bid is placed, the item should be locked in for sale. This will, as I stated earlier, force people to list at prices they would be comfortable with getting, just in case. So, if the item sold, somebody bid, and he should have been locked out of reclaiming it, no matter how long the auction ran. Sorry, but an exploit is an exploit.
Sorry but that is the dumbest logic I've ever read, and everybody on this forum dropped 10 iq points after reading it.
Trying to escape posting fee is good for the game and is what smart people do, because valuable items will always be bought at the buyout price if it's acceptable. It's assuming that the game is working and that game developers have some sense of anticipation when they turn a system off.
If an item sells you get the posting fee back. All you're doing by setting an initial bid of 1 is avoiding the upfront cost or the cost on the chance your item doesn't sell.
I was not able to log in last night because I was at a bar.
It is Cryptics fault!! I lost millions of AD.
OP i understand your pain but you need to man(or woman) up and use this lesson to increase your awareness on what happens when you try and cut corners.
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calaminthaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
What SHOULD have happened is that all auctions should have been taken off of the auction house. All of the items that were on the AH should have appeared in people's mail boxes, giving them the opportunity to post these items again, and start the auctions over from scratch.
I'm actually amazed that this didn't happen when they took the AH down.
Because if he would have posted for an amount that he would have been happy with receiving, the AH going down would be a non-issue, like it is for those who use it as it was intended.
Choosing the time to post your auction and the duration of it are two of the most important aspects of selling on eBay. You want to make sure your item not only is posted at the best time, but stays up long enough for people to see it and bid.
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frozenxileMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I was not able to log in last night because I was at a bar.
It is Cryptics fault!! I lost millions of AD.
OP i understand your pain but you need to man(or woman) up and use this lesson to increase your awareness on what happens when you try and cut corners.
Let's take a moment to reflect on how utterly clueless you are...
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Ok, that was refreshing.
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly indeed.
Even though I've been called a "fanboi" by another poster, I will agree with this. They should have gone through the AH and returned Items / AD to the original owners, clearing the AH totally before bringing it back up. (Even though it likely would have taken another week to do so...)
Though I'll stand by my original don't post it at prices you don't want to get.
Because if he would have posted for an amount that he would have been happy with receiving, the AH going down would be a non-issue, like it is for those who use it as it was intended.
You paid for the game and it's your right to defend it. But thinking it's not Cryptic's fault in this particular case is insane.
What you're saying is Cryptic did it right, and next time they take the AH down, they should leave the timer on again.
Choosing the time to post your auction and the duration of it are two of the most important aspects of selling on eBay. You want to make sure your item not only is posted at the best time, but stays up long enough for people to see it and bid.
Couple of relevant things from the Ebay User Agreement, since this has been compared to a real auction:
"Without limiting other remedies, we may, in our sole discretion, limit, suspend, or terminate our services and user accounts, prohibit access to our sites, services, applications, and tools, and their content, delay or remove hosted content, and take technical and legal steps to keep users from using our sites, services, applications, or tools, if we think that they are creating problems or possible legal liabilities, infringing the intellectual property rights of third parties, or acting inconsistently with the letter or spirit of our policies (for example, and without limitation, shill bidding, conducting off-eBay transactions, manipulating Feedback, circumventing temporary or permanent suspensions or harassing our employees or other users). We also reserve the right to cancel unconfirmed accounts or accounts that have been inactive for a period of months, or to modify or discontinue eBay sites, services, applications, or tools."
In other words, Ebay chooses when their sites are active, what can be listed there, under what circumstances, and they don't owe anything to anyone if they choose to shut down their entire site in the middle of an auction.
"Buyers and sellers permit us to make a final decision, in our sole discretion, on any claim that a buyer opens with eBay under the eBay Buyer Protection Policy."
Ebay is the final decision-maker on auctions.
"We try to keep eBay and its sites, services, applications, and tools safe, secure, and functioning properly. You acknowledge that we cannot guarantee the continuous operation of or access to our sites, services, applications, or tools. You further acknowledge that operation of and access to our sites, services, applications, or tools may be interfered with as a result of technical issues or numerous factors outside of our control. Bid updates and other notification functionality in eBay's applications may not occur in real time. Such functionality is subject to delays including, without limitation, delays, or latency due to your physical location or your wireless data service provider’s network. You agree that you are making use of our sites, services, applications, and tools at your own risk, and that they are being provided to you on an "AS IS" and "AS AVAILABLE" basis."
Ebay never guarantees their sites will be available all the time and if they aren't, they aren't liable for any damage you suffer. Protect yourself.
"In addition, to the extent permitted by applicable law, we are not liable, and you agree not to hold eBay responsible, for any damages or losses (including, but not limited to, loss of money, goodwill or reputation, profits, or other intangible losses or any special, indirect, or consequential damages) resulting directly or indirectly from:
Your use of or your inability to use our sites, services and tools;
Delays or disruptions in our sites, services, applications, or tools;"
and... I love this one...
"The duration or manner in which your listings appear in search results as set forth in the Listing Conditions Section below;"
Duration is not an excuse for listing an auction in a way that would cause you to lose money.
Sorry but that is the dumbest logic I've ever read, and everybody on this forum dropped 10 iq points after reading it.
Yes, because holding people accountable for their actions is illogical, especially in an MMO where people swore up and down they were going to quit if the server didn't get wiped for the exploits, and then follow it up by supporting yet another exploit. Peace.
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
Even though I've been called a "fanboi" by another poster, I will agree with this. They should have gone through the AH and returned Items / AD to the original owners, clearing the AH totally before bringing it back up. (Even though it likely would have taken another week to do so...)
Though I'll stand by my original don't post it at prices you don't want to get.
This is the most reasonable way of viewing this situation.
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I won't reason with someone that claims that black is white.
Duration for an auction is very important. If the duration is rigged, the whole deal is off and the auction is invalid.
I assume with this issue, lesson learned and you'll either put buyout only or put a min bid that's more acceptable yeah? You try to shortchange the game, sometimes you get burned it's as simple as that.
Ferrari
1$ starting bid 3 month duration -- probable
1$ starting bid 10 mins duration -- almost impossible
I know you can't see any difference in this two cases, but don't worry.
It's just you.
AD = ZEN = Real Money.
But whatever.
Discussions won't do anything. It happened. Cryptic failed. Again. Moving on to the next big mmo fail.
The duration was not rigged. The entire auction process was corrupted by cheaters. The auction house was taken offline to protect people who had listed items there. That was not his choice. If one of the cheaters had bid on his item, he would have received nothing and lost the item entirely. Granted, if the auction timer could have been stopped, that would have been a smart thing to do. However, if the poster had protected himself with a reasonable minimum bid, instead of taking a gamble, he would not have sold his item for less than its value. That WAS his choice. Furthermore, think about how illogical that is. It is a tactic and a risky one at that. Clearly, the value of the item (next to nothing for the poster) was less than the value of a POTENTIAL profit gained by using this tactic. The poster chose what was more valuable to him.
Sure, in an auction you can't normally retract your item once it goes up onto the auction block, so you could say that this guy took his chances when he placed his item up for such a low minimum bid.
HOWEVER, the auctioneer also isn't allowed to take only 1 or 2 bids, then freeze the auction for a while, then declare the auction closed without letting anyone else bid. That would be some pretty serious fraud, right there. He has every right to want his item back, when the auctioneer didn't hold a proper auction, and didn't let the bidding continue for the set amount of time which was agreed upon by both the auctioneer and the seller.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly. They let auction times expire, without letting players bid properly on those auctions. The bottom line is, even in real life people set minimum bids below what they are comfortable getting for their item, with the understanding that there will, you know, BE AN AUCTION. ...Which there wasn't, not a full and complete auction, at any rate.
What SHOULD have happened is that all auctions should have been taken off of the auction house. All of the items that were on the AH should have appeared in people's mail boxes, giving them the opportunity to post these items again, and start the auctions over from scratch.
Again and again, PWE/Cryptic show that they have no idea what they are doing, here. They handled this issue poorly right from the start; from "losing" the bug reports in closed beta which detailed this exploit, to allowing the Zen Market to reset to a 500:1 ratio (which, as far as I'm concerned, is criminal, because they are profiting from this exploit), to forcing players to lose hours from their auction times, <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> over players like the thread starter.
Anyone arguing against the OP is just looking to be argumentative. He is perfectly justified in being angry that Cryptic denied both him and his potential buyers access to the auction house, while allowing someone's low-ball bid to tick away to the point where they won his auction at a steal. In a real-world auction, that's not even legal.
-Travail.
AD can not be converted directly into cash, not even through ZEN. Even so, there's no agreement, implicit or otherwise, made between Cryptic, Perfect World, or anyone else in regards to how the auction house works. It's a gamble every single time. Don't play if you're not prepared to pay.
Why don't you understand the posters anger? If it would've sold for 2AD's but legit, without AH being down and timers not, then yes. You're right, he would've took the risk and lost.
A seal may <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and bring the whole server done.
Guess whose fault is that.
Best advice ever.
The guy who fed the Seal beans?
Don't worry man, they are defending abnormal thinking, but all they do is raising awareness by bumping this thread.
Actually, no. His MO for auctioning? List it really low to save money, and if he doesn't get the bid he wants, pull it. That's exploiting the AH. Once a bid is placed, the item should be locked in for sale. This will, as I stated earlier, force people to list at prices they would be comfortable with getting, just in case. So, if the item sold, somebody bid, and he should have been locked out of reclaiming it, no matter how long the auction ran. Sorry, but an exploit is an exploit.
Because if he would have posted for an amount that he would have been happy with receiving, the AH going down would be a non-issue, like it is for those who use it as it was intended.
Truth, and the entire point of this thread.
PWE/Cryptic handled this incredibly poorly indeed.
Yeah, right, there's absolutely nothing wrong with the auctioneer freezing an auction after someone places a low-ball bid, then declaring the auction over without allowing any more bids.
:rolleyes:
-Travail.
Next persont dont read thread, Auction is locked after bidding (found about it here
Sorry but that is the dumbest logic I've ever read, and everybody on this forum dropped 10 iq points after reading it.
If an item sells you get the posting fee back. All you're doing by setting an initial bid of 1 is avoiding the upfront cost or the cost on the chance your item doesn't sell.
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I was not able to log in last night because I was at a bar.
It is Cryptics fault!! I lost millions of AD.
OP i understand your pain but you need to man(or woman) up and use this lesson to increase your awareness on what happens when you try and cut corners.
I'm actually amazed that this didn't happen when they took the AH down.
From idiotguides.com:
http://idiotsguides.com/static/quickguides/businesspersonalfinance/the-best-times-and-duration-for-your-ebay-auction.html
Choosing the time to post your auction and the duration of it are two of the most important aspects of selling on eBay. You want to make sure your item not only is posted at the best time, but stays up long enough for people to see it and bid.
Let's take a moment to reflect on how utterly clueless you are...
...
...
Ok, that was refreshing.
Even though I've been called a "fanboi" by another poster, I will agree with this. They should have gone through the AH and returned Items / AD to the original owners, clearing the AH totally before bringing it back up. (Even though it likely would have taken another week to do so...)
Though I'll stand by my original don't post it at prices you don't want to get.
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You paid for the game and it's your right to defend it. But thinking it's not Cryptic's fault in this particular case is insane.
What you're saying is Cryptic did it right, and next time they take the AH down, they should leave the timer on again.
wow....
This has nothing to do with the post you quoted.
"Without limiting other remedies, we may, in our sole discretion, limit, suspend, or terminate our services and user accounts, prohibit access to our sites, services, applications, and tools, and their content, delay or remove hosted content, and take technical and legal steps to keep users from using our sites, services, applications, or tools, if we think that they are creating problems or possible legal liabilities, infringing the intellectual property rights of third parties, or acting inconsistently with the letter or spirit of our policies (for example, and without limitation, shill bidding, conducting off-eBay transactions, manipulating Feedback, circumventing temporary or permanent suspensions or harassing our employees or other users). We also reserve the right to cancel unconfirmed accounts or accounts that have been inactive for a period of months, or to modify or discontinue eBay sites, services, applications, or tools."
In other words, Ebay chooses when their sites are active, what can be listed there, under what circumstances, and they don't owe anything to anyone if they choose to shut down their entire site in the middle of an auction.
"Buyers and sellers permit us to make a final decision, in our sole discretion, on any claim that a buyer opens with eBay under the eBay Buyer Protection Policy."
Ebay is the final decision-maker on auctions.
"We try to keep eBay and its sites, services, applications, and tools safe, secure, and functioning properly. You acknowledge that we cannot guarantee the continuous operation of or access to our sites, services, applications, or tools. You further acknowledge that operation of and access to our sites, services, applications, or tools may be interfered with as a result of technical issues or numerous factors outside of our control. Bid updates and other notification functionality in eBay's applications may not occur in real time. Such functionality is subject to delays including, without limitation, delays, or latency due to your physical location or your wireless data service provider’s network. You agree that you are making use of our sites, services, applications, and tools at your own risk, and that they are being provided to you on an "AS IS" and "AS AVAILABLE" basis."
Ebay never guarantees their sites will be available all the time and if they aren't, they aren't liable for any damage you suffer. Protect yourself.
"In addition, to the extent permitted by applicable law, we are not liable, and you agree not to hold eBay responsible, for any damages or losses (including, but not limited to, loss of money, goodwill or reputation, profits, or other intangible losses or any special, indirect, or consequential damages) resulting directly or indirectly from:
Your use of or your inability to use our sites, services and tools;
Delays or disruptions in our sites, services, applications, or tools;"
and... I love this one...
"The duration or manner in which your listings appear in search results as set forth in the Listing Conditions Section below;"
Duration is not an excuse for listing an auction in a way that would cause you to lose money.
Sorry, it wouldn't fly in the real world either.
Yes, because holding people accountable for their actions is illogical, especially in an MMO where people swore up and down they were going to quit if the server didn't get wiped for the exploits, and then follow it up by supporting yet another exploit. Peace.
This is the most reasonable way of viewing this situation.