I understand that the outage limited the amount of time that people were able to bid, but if he set a higher minimum bid, then the outage would not have caused him to lose a valuable item for very little AD. Cryptic is not free of blame, but circumventing the AH fee with the Low min (could be seen as exploiting if he uses an alt to counterbid it higher) is what I see as causing the loss.
A couple posts earlier I wouldn't have thought I'd agree with you.
But yes, I can agree with this.
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I love this. They are acting like this is their first go at an MMO, and they are failing. Hard.
It's sad, really, at how bad they handle problems. Their game isn't going to last. What a tragedy...
Also, I moreso then never, ignore posting a "Minimum" amount to sell at. When I do, I pay to put my item in the auction, if the auction doesn't sell AT LEAST for that price, I lose money instead of making it. But OK
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Partly. He mainly lost because he did not put in a minimum. It all depend on the courts (if the courts were involved) because part of the TOS DID state that they are not obligated to be 24/7 there will be downtime expected and unexpected. So the OP should have put in a minimum bid and avoid the whole thing.
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Partly. He mainly lost because he did not put in a minimum. It all depend on the courts (if the courts were involved) because part of the TOS DID state that they are not obligated to be 24/7 there will be downtime expected and unexpected. So the OP should have put in a minimum bid and avoid the whole thing.
The downtime is not expected to be > 80% of the maximum auction duration, so the court will order PWE to reverse the transaction.
If by bad decision you mean he didn't take into account PWE's incompetence, I'll pass.
He also didn't take into account the tools presented to him to protect him from his own incompetence, or the possibility of cheaters infiltrating the auction house, or the conditions under which he agreed to play the game, or you know... life.
The downtime is not expected to be > 80% of the maximum auction duration, so the court will order PWE to reverse the transaction.
Nope. Read the TOS.
"18. Interruption of Service
(a) PWE reserves the right to interrupt the Service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that PWE will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(b) You acknowledge that the Service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of PWE, and PWE cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the Services or your Account whenever you may wish to do so. PWE shall not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(c) PWE has the right at any time with or without reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Services as it sees fit in its sole discretion.
(d) PWE is not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any Account fee (if any), by reason of any interruption of the Services by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (a) or (b)."
There is an interruption of service. TOS covers it. The end user AGREE before installing the software and creating an account. The user is not "exempt" if he/she did not read it and click ok. Ignorance is not an excuse.
After reading the AH QQ's over the last couple days I think I should be checking it out more, aparently there is alot of people that have no idea how to auction which I think everyone should take advantage of. As many have already stated, do not post for less then your willing to accept.
The downtime is not expected to be > 80% of the maximum auction duration, so the court will order PWE to reverse the transaction.
If you ha set a minimum You could have gotten the least you would have wanted. Even with only 20% of the auction left. Or you would still have your item. Let the Seller beware.
Maybe because they said this was a .......beta? I dunno, call me dumb or stupid, but $hit happens in beta ....right? If the trend continues then we all gets the wetty pants and move on... till then, hey I'm all in.
Because players clearly expected a hugely game breaking bug to take the auction house down for days on end, and the auctions on the AH weren't frozen too, they all continued to tick.
Myopic fanboys at their finest. Cryptic ****ed it up here and the players pay (yet again), how there are players who can remain deluded and protect these incompetent failings over and over is beyond me.
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If you ha set a minimum You could have gotten the least you would have wanted. Even with only 20% of the auction left. Or you would still have your item. Let the Seller beware.
Or if no bid, he would have gotten the item back and try to sell it again when the auction reopen.
I put item on AH for LOOOOONG 5 DAYS, i got a LOT of time to take it back if bid isn't what i wanted. And i always do it like this
- Min bid - 1AD, why more? i dont want waste cash for it.
The point is, When AH was turned off my items could be bidded for 1 more day, and i thought it would be still 1 day after they open AH again. But nope, It seems like AH was closed, but auctions were going on as if AH was working
Hahaha no joke I hope if this does anything it forces people to actually place items on AH with true values. I am happy that so many got scamed because its your own **** fault for placing an item for bid at 1 ad. LOL I love it. Ohh BTW do a buyout too.
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Doesn't matter "how you always do it". That's now how auctions are intended to work.
You set a price lower than what you were willing to accept, with the assumption that it would always work out for you.
You assumed wrong and got burned.
Own it.
I'd try to tell you horribly wrong your post and attitude are, but I think I would be "ASSUMING", you could actually process what was being said, and all evidence is to the contrary.
So I think I will just write my congresscritters about product liability laws for parents.
Hahaha no joke I hope if this does anything it forces people to actually place items on AH with true values. I am happy that so many got scamed because its your own **** fault for placing an item for bid at 1 ad. LOL I love it. Ohh BTW do a buyout too.
You put on the minimum starting bid and a long duration for this reason, to find the "true" value of the product! The expected result is to get somewhat less than the "true" value of the product.
You don't put a Ferrari at ebay with $0.01 starting bid and 3 months duration, to have the auction ended 1 second after the first bid of $0.01 is made.
You put on the minimum starting bid and a long duration for this reason, to find the "true" value of the product! The expected result is to get somewhat less than the "true" value of the product.
You don't put a Ferrari at ebay with $0.01 starting bid and 3 months duration, to have the auction ended 1 second after the first bid of $0.01 is made.
That's illegal.
If you signed a contract with the auction house under which you agreed that this could potentially happen and waived your right to contest it, it's completely legal.
I put item on AH for LOOOOONG 5 DAYS, i got a LOT of time to take it back if bid isn't what i wanted. And i always do it like this
- Min bid - 1AD, why more? i dont want waste cash for it.
The point is, When AH was turned off my items could be bidded for 1 more day, and i thought it would be still 1 day after they open AH again. But nope, It seems like AH was closed, but auctions were going on as if AH was working
That's not how auctions work bud. Once you put up an item for auction, with a minimum bid, once that min bid is reached YOU DON'T GET TO STOP THE AUCTION AND TAKE YOUR TOY BACK!
Quit trying to EXPLOIT the system to avoid INTENDED FEE's and you won't have this QQ issue.
If you signed a contract with the auction house under which you agreed that this could potentially happen and waived your right to contest it, it's completely legal.
Which is exactly what happened here.
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You put on the minimum starting bid and a long duration for this reason, to find the "true" value of the product! The expected result is to get somewhat less than the "true" value of the product.
You don't put a Ferrari at ebay with $0.01 starting bid and 3 months duration, to have the auction ended 1 second after the first bid of $0.01 is made.
That's illegal.
No putting a Ferrarri on Auction on E-Bay for anything less than $200,000 would be your own foolishness!
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I'm not asking for anything, just saying this solution suck(AH repaired but items sold while it was frozen). Because its true
A couple posts earlier I wouldn't have thought I'd agree with you.
But yes, I can agree with this.
He lost it because he made a bad decision. That's a reason for chagrin.
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I just post at forums.
It's sad, really, at how bad they handle problems. Their game isn't going to last. What a tragedy...
Also, I moreso then never, ignore posting a "Minimum" amount to sell at. When I do, I pay to put my item in the auction, if the auction doesn't sell AT LEAST for that price, I lose money instead of making it. But OK
If by bad decision you mean he didn't take into account PWE's incompetence, I'll pass.
Partly. He mainly lost because he did not put in a minimum. It all depend on the courts
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"18. Interruption of Service
(a) PWE reserves the right to interrupt the Service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that PWE will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(b) You acknowledge that the Service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of PWE, and PWE cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the Services or your Account whenever you may wish to do so. PWE shall not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(c) PWE has the right at any time with or without reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Services as it sees fit in its sole discretion.
(d) PWE is not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any Account fee (if any), by reason of any interruption of the Services by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (a) or (b)."
It is built into the TOS.
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The downtime is not expected to be > 80% of the maximum auction duration, so the court will order PWE to reverse the transaction.
He also didn't take into account the tools presented to him to protect him from his own incompetence, or the possibility of cheaters infiltrating the auction house, or the conditions under which he agreed to play the game, or you know... life.
Actually, it won't see the inside of a courtroom. They aren't going to waste their time with it, since ToS covers it pretty thoroughly.
Nope. Read the TOS.
"18. Interruption of Service
(a) PWE reserves the right to interrupt the Service from time to time on a regularly scheduled basis or otherwise with or without prior notice in order to perform maintenance. You agree that PWE will not be liable for any interruption of the Service, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(b) You acknowledge that the Service may be interrupted for reasons beyond the control of PWE, and PWE cannot guarantee that you will be able to access the Services or your Account whenever you may wish to do so. PWE shall not be liable for any interruption of the Services, delay or failure to perform resulting from any causes whatsoever.
(c) PWE has the right at any time with or without reason to change and/or eliminate any aspect(s) of the Services as it sees fit in its sole discretion.
(d) PWE is not be obligated to refund all or any portion of any Account fee (if any), by reason of any interruption of the Services by reason of any of the circumstances described in paragraph (a) or (b)."
There is an interruption of service. TOS covers it. The end user AGREE before installing the software and creating an account. The user is not "exempt" if he/she did not read it and click ok. Ignorance is not an excuse.
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Kinda trying to hard with this one. You are normally entertaining, but this one doesn't even qualify as plausible.
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I'm being noticed??!?!??:o
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Or if no bid, he would have gotten the item back and try to sell it again when the auction reopen.
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;p I notice every time you post in a thread I'm perusing... sometimes I even agree with part of what you say. ;p
Only issue I have with you personally is that color of yellow you chose to use... makes my eyes burn. >.<
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Hahaha no joke I hope if this does anything it forces people to actually place items on AH with true values. I am happy that so many got scamed because its your own **** fault for placing an item for bid at 1 ad. LOL I love it. Ohh BTW do a buyout too.
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I'd try to tell you horribly wrong your post and attitude are, but I think I would be "ASSUMING", you could actually process what was being said, and all evidence is to the contrary.
So I think I will just write my congresscritters about product liability laws for parents.
You put on the minimum starting bid and a long duration for this reason, to find the "true" value of the product! The expected result is to get somewhat less than the "true" value of the product.
You don't put a Ferrari at ebay with $0.01 starting bid and 3 months duration, to have the auction ended 1 second after the first bid of $0.01 is made.
That's illegal.
If you signed a contract with the auction house under which you agreed that this could potentially happen and waived your right to contest it, it's completely legal.
That's not how auctions work bud. Once you put up an item for auction, with a minimum bid, once that min bid is reached YOU DON'T GET TO STOP THE AUCTION AND TAKE YOUR TOY BACK!
Quit trying to EXPLOIT the system to avoid INTENDED FEE's and you won't have this QQ issue.
Which is exactly what happened here.