How did the **** up when they said that the auctions werent going to be frozen, It's not their fault you people are spioled brats that can't read more than five sentences because it hurts your little brains
Yes , you missed the part where he was planning on canceling the auction if the bid was to low at the 4 day mark . Which makes no sense because you can't if someone has bid . because his low value items got no bids and he could cancel them , he assumed he could do this with a high value item . Which because of his lack of knowledge on how the auction house works , he is mad at PW .
What probably was happening is that he planned on pushing the price up with an alt and didn't have that opportunity. I really doubt he was going to cancel it.
Maybe he uses an other account to push his own bids to a more likable sum. If he didn't like the price, then he just bought the wares back. Maybe this is the "Cancel" option he "could not use". Maybe this is an interesting exploit that should be mailed to the moderators, for a little investigation.
It was mentioned days ago in the FAQ about the AD Exploit that the auctions that were already posted would expire, so there was no surprise that the auctions ended with the bids that were present and the time of shutdown. Anything that had no bids will be returned, and anything that was bid upon was sold for that amount. Anyone that doesn't set a minimum bid they are happy with (and this applies to real life as well, if you offer to sell me a brand new Ferrari for $1, I'll take you up on it and sue you if you don't deliver), that you have absolutely noone to blame but yourself. Blaming anyone else, be it Cryptic/PWE, your ISP, the Government, your Kindergarten teacher, is just you not being able to take responsibility for what you did to yourself.
OMG so much fanboys here. When D3 got the AH exploit they bring it down BUT they set it to MAINTENANCE MODE where time don't pass. If you set a bid low and u get less Ad than u expect after 5 days is ok, but if you lose those 5 days of getting the chance to get a higher bid you feel cheated. Cryptic PWO is a joke as a company, if they keep taking bad decisions like this have fun playing with 200 ppl or full of casuals.
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negnarlodenMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
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I mean... how stupid does one have to be, to say its ok the guys items got sold for that low.
Your point is valid when the auction is going on normal tracks, you set the minimum value, you set the time ppl will be able to bid on it, if under those terms the best bid was, lets say 20AD -> you deal with it.
But here The guy set the minimum value, and set the time for ppl to bid on it. But becouse of Cryptics, CRYPTICS! (not his) mistake, the time he set for ppl to bid was diminished to less than 20% of the time. The item was processed by the auction house (CRYPTICS system) on different terms than it is described when you posted an item. It is a bug, The 5 days set were not 5 days on auction house, they were probably less than a day if it was sunday that he put the items up. That is, nothing more, than a bug, and should be treated like that.
All the posts saying that he should accept since he just put such minimal bid is irrelevant couse there is a bug involved of not letting ppl use the auction house and bid, and counting the maintenance time like it was working properly.
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eggylisk99Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
That absolutely is the point. It's called a "minimum bid" for a reason. It's the minimum amount you're willing to settle on. The amount that will leave you feeling like you still came out ahead on your sale. Everything above that is just gravy. That's the number you set the minimum at and not a penny less. If you do, that's on you.
If people actually did this, threads like this wouldn't exist. It doesn't matter if the auction house went offline and the clock kept running (which I'm pretty sure happens in every MMO I've ever played), or if there was just an unsurprising lack of interest in the product. Use the minimum price correctly (rather than as a sneaky way to save on listing fees) and you won't have this problem.
What you're not getting is that the auction transpired over the weekend, a high activity time frame. Due to the AH's closure, the auctions ended with the last bid prior to the AH getting shut down. There were potential customers unable to view the bid, potential higher profits for the OP. It's not the OP's fault the devs allowed the AH bid time to lapse despite them shutting down. Does this need further explanation? I didn't suffer any losses, but I can at least emphathize with his.
Wait. You can set a minimum and someone can bid on it. Then seller can pull the offer? Their item isn't locked in once someone's bid on it?
It is locked, but he would probably bid on it with an alt. It's a shady way to circumvent the AH posting price. I feel he got what he deserves. People circumventing in-game mechanics can be viewed as exploiting.
I put item on AH for LOOOOONG 5 DAYS, i got a LOT of time to take it back if bid isn't what i wanted. And i always do it like this
- Min bid - 1AD, why more? i dont want waste cash for it.
The point is, When AH was turned off my items could be bidded for 1 more day, and i thought it would be still 1 day after they open AH again. But nope, It seems like AH was closed, but auctions were going on as if AH was working
So happy this happened to you. That kind of practice is terrible.
It is locked, but he would probably bid on it with an alt. It's a shady way to circumvent the AH posting price. I feel he got what he deserves. People circumventing in-game mechanics can be viewed as exploiting.
That's what I was wondering once he mentioned canceling the bid if it didn't get high enough value.
It is locked, but he would probably bid on it with an alt. It's a shady way to circumvent the AH posting price. I feel he got what he deserves. People circumventing in-game mechanics can be viewed as exploiting.
Stupidly exploiting. If he buys the item back the AH eats 10% of the item value. Not sure how that works when time expires and hes the winning bidder on an Alt, but if its 10% then yeah, for a 1mil astral item hes basicaly paying 100k each time he tries to game the system like that.
I guess Ill never know this problem because Im never stupid enough to put a 1mil item up and put a starting bid at 1 astral. 1Mil item? 800k AT LEAST and let it start there.
The fact that the OP was shill bidding is unscrupulous and he probably got what was coming to him for that.
However, it can't be denied that the AH should have been put into a locked down, frozen state while it was down. Many players put auctions up for low bids to entice interest in their auctions, which will then be bid into acceptable values once the time remaining ticks down to a day or a couple hours left.
Fanboy as much as you'd like, you can't deny the fact that Cryptic messed it up here (again), and there are many legitimate players who'll be screwed by this oversight.
I mean... how stupid does one have to be, to say its ok the guys items got sold for that low.
Your point is valid when the auction is going on normal tracks, you set the minimum value, you set the time ppl will be able to bid on it, if under those terms the best bid was, lets say 20AD -> you deal with it.
But here The guy set the minimum value, and set the time for ppl to bid on it. But becouse of Cryptics, CRYPTICS! (not his) mistake, the time he set for ppl to bid was diminished to less than 20% of the time. The item was processed by the auction house (CRYPTICS system) on different terms than it is described when you posted an item. It is a bug, The 5 days set were not 5 days on auction house, they were probably less than a day if it was sunday that he put the items up. That is, nothing more, than a bug, and should be treated like that.
All the posts saying that he should accept since he just put such minimal bid is irrelevant couse there is a bug involved of not letting ppl use the auction house and bid, and counting the maintenance time like it was working properly.
If the OP had set his Minimum bid to what he would have accepted, and the opening bid was less he would still have his item. The loss is his own doing not the auction houses. Not the down time, not a bugs. If he set his min bid to 1AD and he got 5 he made more than his minimum bid requirement. *shrug* Lesson should be learned.
So happy this happened to you. That kind of practice is terrible.
Why? People use it all the time in real life auctions. The difference is that you can have a hidden reserve price that guarantees that things like this can't happen.
People are actually happy that others get screwed? What a great community.
Why? People use it all the time in real life auctions. The difference is that you can have a hidden reserve price that guarantees that things like this can't happen.
People are actually happy that others get screwed? What a great community.
How did he get screwed? He told the AH he was ok with getting anything over 1 AD. I don't see the problem.
Why? People use it all the time in real life auctions. The difference is that you can have a hidden reserve price that guarantees that things like this can't happen.
People are actually happy that others get screwed? What a great community.
If he got screwed doing something duplicitous, Then Yes, I would be happy he got boned. If you are bidding on our own item from a separate account to inflate your winnings, you are cheating the system and deserve nothing but scorn.
Simple people don't get to realize that if you place a product worth of $1000 with $1 starting bid and have it run for 10 minutes, it's not the same as auctioning the same product with $1 starting bid and have it run for 10 days.
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nullwolf1Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
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Maybe he uses an other account to push his own bids to a more likable sum. If he didn't like the price, then he just bought the wares back. Maybe this is the "Cancel" option he "could not use". Maybe this is an interesting exploit that should be mailed to the moderators, for a little investigation.
Lolling so hard right now.
Your point is valid when the auction is going on normal tracks, you set the minimum value, you set the time ppl will be able to bid on it, if under those terms the best bid was, lets say 20AD -> you deal with it.
But here The guy set the minimum value, and set the time for ppl to bid on it. But becouse of Cryptics, CRYPTICS! (not his) mistake, the time he set for ppl to bid was diminished to less than 20% of the time. The item was processed by the auction house (CRYPTICS system) on different terms than it is described when you posted an item. It is a bug, The 5 days set were not 5 days on auction house, they were probably less than a day if it was sunday that he put the items up. That is, nothing more, than a bug, and should be treated like that.
All the posts saying that he should accept since he just put such minimal bid is irrelevant couse there is a bug involved of not letting ppl use the auction house and bid, and counting the maintenance time like it was working properly.
What you're not getting is that the auction transpired over the weekend, a high activity time frame. Due to the AH's closure, the auctions ended with the last bid prior to the AH getting shut down. There were potential customers unable to view the bid, potential higher profits for the OP. It's not the OP's fault the devs allowed the AH bid time to lapse despite them shutting down. Does this need further explanation? I didn't suffer any losses, but I can at least emphathize with his.
It is locked, but he would probably bid on it with an alt. It's a shady way to circumvent the AH posting price. I feel he got what he deserves. People circumventing in-game mechanics can be viewed as exploiting.
Love how you consider casuals not people. Lol
So happy this happened to you. That kind of practice is terrible.
That's what I was wondering once he mentioned canceling the bid if it didn't get high enough value.
Stupidly exploiting. If he buys the item back the AH eats 10% of the item value. Not sure how that works when time expires and hes the winning bidder on an Alt, but if its 10% then yeah, for a 1mil astral item hes basicaly paying 100k each time he tries to game the system like that.
I guess Ill never know this problem because Im never stupid enough to put a 1mil item up and put a starting bid at 1 astral. 1Mil item? 800k AT LEAST and let it start there.
It is locked, the OP just doesn't understand this or is doing something underhanded and using other accounts to bid up his AH items.
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However, it can't be denied that the AH should have been put into a locked down, frozen state while it was down. Many players put auctions up for low bids to entice interest in their auctions, which will then be bid into acceptable values once the time remaining ticks down to a day or a couple hours left.
Fanboy as much as you'd like, you can't deny the fact that Cryptic messed it up here (again), and there are many legitimate players who'll be screwed by this oversight.
Why? People use it all the time in real life auctions. The difference is that you can have a hidden reserve price that guarantees that things like this can't happen.
People are actually happy that others get screwed? What a great community.
How did he get screwed? He told the AH he was ok with getting anything over 1 AD. I don't see the problem.
Because they think it's okay to exploit the system, until the system exploits you?
In my eyes both are responsible for the loss. Cryptic and the player himself.
Cryptic for not stopping the auction house. Maybe they are setting fixed end times and dates?
And the player for setting the min. value far too low.
Cryptic has to fix the AH (again), the player has to learn from this experience.
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