Its really simple before you do a wipe or perm ban IPs how bout fixing the code that caused the exploit in the first place, if you dont this will just happen over and over and over as an application performance analyst I can speak from experience that it shouldnt be hard to test the bit of code you suspect is causing it and fix it. Anyways enough of my rant do what ever you want as punishment but it will do no good if the code isn't fixed also. People who used the exploit will come back with proxied IP's or spoofed IPs ttfn
Really? The first thing they did was fix the code, the problem comes down to money! People put real money into the game to buy zen or AD, then people found a way to jimmy the system. Because we are talking real money they have to completely track down all those involved or they will be refunding real money to people because the game economy will be toast or do a complete wipe and refund all zen, gold and AD purchase. They are more then likely trying to figure out what is the most cost effective way to move forward.
The only logical thing to do right now is to fix the exploits/bugs, do a complete wipe and move on. There's a poll on these forums that backs this option up (it's currently at 60% for complete wipes). The community has spoken. Will they ignore us?
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sonofmreMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 4Arc User
edited May 2013
I'm really pulling for you guys to fix this. I won't be able to play now for a while, but I believe that eventually it will all come together.
In the end I may not be remembered, but my actions carry weight.
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kronos6913Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 24Arc User
edited May 2013
i didnt make this list but its true. we need a wipe. Let me fill you in on ALL the exploits and when we found them.
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
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herrohanzbrixMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 8Arc User
edited May 2013
As a founder and someone who's happily sunk plenty of cash into this game my concerns are what I'd call realistic.
1. Figure out the exploits performed. Make it so that it can't happen again.
2. Deal with the people who preformed these exploits accordingly. Capture their mac addresses, their credit cards and IP space if not natted and email addresses. Ban the accounts. Hopefully by exploiting your software they took enough money for you to pursue legal action.
3. If you can't track down all the items/AD/transactions linked to this simply roll back to a date where you can without any doubt believe it's safe.
We just want to play, you made a great game. Fix your issues and let's move on.
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mamagrimlockMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
so let me get this straight the servers are down so NO ONE can play so why do the cheaters care if they get a 72 hour ban they cant play anyway during this time so basically there is no consequence when you cheat right?
I doubt there will be any kind of meaningful retribution against the perpetrators, but they can't correct the issue if everyone is still playing the game. They had to take the servers down to try to minimize the damage. I think they made the right choice, I just wish they had done it sooner. This exploit has been around since closed beta.
If they wipe they might as well refund my zen too so I can uninstall the game and keep my money, I will not level up again. If they don't perform a refund after a potential wipe I will never think about a PW game again more or less play one.
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mithreinmaethorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I would just like to figure out how to get my Founders title under my name?????
This is why you wipe after beta, so people won't invest a lot of time, money, and emotions in a character that may have to be penalized because of the exploits of other players. I just hope the foundry content doesn't get a rollback too.
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Are you really this F'N stupid? Or can you just not read.
Not only was in reported in CB, it was reported repeatedly and ignored.
And the same thing already happened in the STO game - so there is no excuse.
Can you get your fanboi hands off PWE's skrotum long enough to know anything?
If thats true id be very disappointed...
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Wait you don't want a wipe because you've put Real Money on a Toon that will be wiped upon launch... MAKES SENSE !!!!!
maybe you have not been reading the dev posts but there is going to be no wipe even after this exploit is taking care of this is it once you create a character you have it till you wipe it or not this is open beta a soft launch once the game is done here it is still going to go on NO WIPE
In conclusion its a Beta test phase,you invite players to test your game for possible flaws,there is no logic in banning your testers.If you want this game to have any future admit to your customers that your decision for naming it open beta or having a real money shop in a beta test phase was dishonest either way and that from now on you will support your customers and treat them with respect.Weather we like it or not,wipe is the only way for this game to roll again,otherwise everyone should open their eyes and see how they're getting exploited by a game company and move forward making this the 1st mmo of history that failed before even going live! My 2 cents..
Hi guys i used the bug!!!!!! I didn't wanna spend zen on Astral Diamonds so i used it!!! I got all my friends to use it as well then we made new accounts and gave astral diamonds to other accounts IT WAS AMAZING!!!!! I then told more friends about it and they did the same this is awesome!!!! If you guys want some astral diamonds msg me they cant ban all my accounts, or my friends accounts or theres.
SteakHolders?? people with money or something....that should not be what the game depends on to get goin...**** the AH and take it off line and then fix it wile they ley peeps do q's or work on foundry ****
Hahahahahaha! Man, im woke my kids cause of the laughter that comment gave me!
Ok, im tired as hell, its 04+ some minutes in sweden, but wtf.. that comment -...and beam down" LOL! ;)
Wait you don't want a wipe because you've put Real Money on a Toon that will be wiped upon launch... MAKES SENSE !!!!!
maybe you have not been reading the dev posts but there is going to be no wipe even after this exploit is taking care of this is it once you create a character you have it till you wipe it or not this is open beta a soft launch once the game is done here it is still going to go on NO WIPE
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pinksock1Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 4Arc User
If they do a full roll back im probly done with this game ive spent the last 3 days lvling my rouge and CW to 60 and geting them t2 gear such a waste of time now
holy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you did this in three days? i've taken 2 weeks just to get to 24
Hi guys i used the bug!!!!!! I didn't wanna spend zen on Astral Diamonds so i used it!!! I got all my friends to use it as well then we made new accounts and gave astral diamonds to other accounts IT WAS AMAZING!!!!! I then told more friends about it and they did the same this is awesome!!!! If you guys want some astral diamonds msg me they cant ban all my accounts, or my friends accounts or theres.
They can. Trading Logs.
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ralphtrMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 3Arc User
So, since I try to RP my character as much as possible, and it's looking like rollback is the word of the day, I'm trying to decide how to incorporate it into my character's story. After all, she's going to be missing "memories" and items, and have to re-do things she's already done.
From a story line perspective, this is all very interesting.
Character development... there is a silver lining to everything!
First helpful post I've seen today. I'd say the Gods are the root cause. They saw the greedy way that some magicians were manipulating the market and cast a curse on everyone. They are going to relive their days over and over and learn the futility of seeking wealth.
If they do a full roll back im probly done with this game ive spent the last 3 days lvling my rouge and CW to 60 and geting them t2 gear such a waste of time now
omg 3 whole days? u poor guy/girl. 3 whole days for cap level /gear.... on 2 toons........ if you are not willing to reinvest 3 whole days to max urself out again go play something else.
They posted over and over that they arent wiping anything.
So they're basically going to give all their beta testers months and months of advantage over new players when it launches? That doesn't make sense.
What *would* make sense is to do a full wipe, give the founder pack buyers a few days head start and their loot, and refund everyone's zen back to their accounts to respend. Founders and zen purchasers get what they paid for and the playing field is level again.
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toteztotxMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
Almost as bad as the Blizzard team. a short time for something that ends up taking way to long for very little.
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davidcoppafeelMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
At least I can give you some comforting feedback. IF they did ever do a wipe, they would use the same procedures they have demonstrated both here and in STO. In the case of Neverwinter a lot of us bought Zen during the closed weekends. When they did the server wipe, all zen was re-applied back to our store account, so that we could re-purchase whatever items we wanted again. I also went on a crazy spending spree with my AD during closed beta, and when they did the wipe, all of that AD was refunded back to me as well.
As long as we acquired our funds and resources following the game rules, we have nothing to worry about. I hope this helps
Ty for this. Maybe some people can chill out a bit now while the Devs finalize everything.
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Really? The first thing they did was fix the code, the problem comes down to money! People put real money into the game to buy zen or AD, then people found a way to jimmy the system. Because we are talking real money they have to completely track down all those involved or they will be refunding real money to people because the game economy will be toast or do a complete wipe and refund all zen, gold and AD purchase. They are more then likely trying to figure out what is the most cost effective way to move forward.
They said they aren't wiping on launch. You shouldn't spread lies.
You are a bad person and you should feel bad.
Where do you people come from? Seriously.. tell me where you've seen any official statement saying there is going to be a wipe? Moron...
1 - AH exploit - This is what all the current fuss is about. Too bad it was discovered and reported in closed beta, only to still make it in. Through this exploit one can earn unlimited AD and simply clean out the AD vendors, as well as buy up all the Zen they wanted. I knew about it and reported it on the day that I logged in. My ticket was closed and marked as resolved. Upon reading it further, I noticed that a GM told me the ticket was lost and to resubmit it. I did and kept playing. The second ticket was closed and "lost again". So I gave up reporting it.
2 - Quest sharing exploit - This allowed you to reach level 60 in about an hour of playing. It also allowed people to farm unlimited bags, assets, and materials. It was discovered and reported in closed beta, but still made it in to the open beta. Once again, I made a ticket about it only to have it closed. My follow up ticket was also closed.
3 - Foundry bugs - Were used to gain max level and farm gear. Although I knew about this bug, I did not report it because I thought the other two were more important.
4 - The CW set bonus bug allowing them to hit for millions points of damage. This was a very minor bug, but it still allowed a team of two or more CW's to farm end game content. I did not know about this bug, but plenty of people in my guild did.
5 - The GF set bug - Yet another set bug that allowed the GF to almost instantly kill any mob in the game. A lot more consistent than the CW set bug, and caused a lot of damage to the economy. I knew about this a few days into the game, but decided not to report it since my other tickets kept being closed and "lost".
6 - Chest farming exploits - These are still in the game and allow people to farm easy money, as well as gear and ingredients.
7 - There is already a bot out for Neverwinter that members of Tault Unleashed have been using. Currently it can be made to level or exploit chests. They are working on having it take care of professions and auto pray for you as well.
8 - TR DC bug - this was used mostly in PvP to instantly disconnect anyone the TR targeted with certain abilities. It allowed all TR groups to quickly win matches in the least amount of time possible.
9 - Potion exploit - Basically you can have unlimited healing potions - not much of an exploit since you can accomplish the same thing easier by using any other AD earning exploit and buying potions.
10 - AutoHotkey - Macro software that allows you to easily max your crafting.
11 - AFK PvP groups - creating a few accounts and making an AFK group (managed by AutoHotkey or the Viper bot), you can quickly earn XP and gear while you sleep.
12 - Their support site has not worked since launch. That's right, you can't even request a refund or report bugs through that thing! it gets stuck in an infinite loop after you log in to submit a ticket.
1. Figure out the exploits performed. Make it so that it can't happen again.
2. Deal with the people who preformed these exploits accordingly. Capture their mac addresses, their credit cards and IP space if not natted and email addresses. Ban the accounts. Hopefully by exploiting your software they took enough money for you to pursue legal action.
3. If you can't track down all the items/AD/transactions linked to this simply roll back to a date where you can without any doubt believe it's safe.
We just want to play, you made a great game. Fix your issues and let's move on.
I doubt there will be any kind of meaningful retribution against the perpetrators, but they can't correct the issue if everyone is still playing the game. They had to take the servers down to try to minimize the damage. I think they made the right choice, I just wish they had done it sooner. This exploit has been around since closed beta.
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If thats true id be very disappointed...
"The harder the game, the better."
maybe you have not been reading the dev posts but there is going to be no wipe even after this exploit is taking care of this is it once you create a character you have it till you wipe it or not this is open beta a soft launch once the game is done here it is still going to go on NO WIPE
AMEN... exactly... good post.
jajajaja +100000000000000000000000
maybe you have not been reading the dev posts but there is going to be no wipe even after this exploit is taking care of this is it once you create a character you have it till you wipe it or not this is open beta a soft launch once the game is done here it is still going to go on NO WIPE
holy <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> you did this in three days? i've taken 2 weeks just to get to 24
Goodbye.
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omg 3 whole days? u poor guy/girl. 3 whole days for cap level /gear.... on 2 toons........ if you are not willing to reinvest 3 whole days to max urself out again go play something else.
Don't feel bad... this just means that you probably have a real life. :P
So they're basically going to give all their beta testers months and months of advantage over new players when it launches? That doesn't make sense.
What *would* make sense is to do a full wipe, give the founder pack buyers a few days head start and their loot, and refund everyone's zen back to their accounts to respend. Founders and zen purchasers get what they paid for and the playing field is level again.
Ty for this.
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