OMG The game was just destroyed over the night ...
I had 4 milion legit AD yesterday whichwas a bit of a sum yesterday and it is completly nothing today
To people talking about IP bans - Get ur heads up it's 2013 there is plenty of ways to evade IP ban, change IP or whatever, like every cheater use proxy IP etc, there is no way IP ban can really do any job against them.
Anyway economy is now nuts and something need to be done, the only real solutions are rollback / full wipe.
BOTH OF THEM GOT DISADVANTAGES
But you need to have guts on this. Banning won't repair the economy lots of people probably liquided their AD in milion ways and a lot of those AD is floating in legit hands now THX to the auction house.
What are you intend to do now after banning? I mean, ban the exploiters will not resolve the issues, they got the ad and bought all High End itens, there will be a roll back on AH? if you can do that i think will be the best solution, but dont know if it is possible, now the economy is crashed, i hardly made 6 mi ad and now im felling like my efforts was for nothing (not ofending, just saying). Thank you anyway...
If you do not rollback I will request a refund on all the money I've spent on this game. The AD I got from Zen is worthless now, the AD the founder packs got is worthless now.
The real problem is that EPIC Dungeon gear is BOE and Not BOP as it should be.
Our entire guild is likely going to leave this game because of this fact. It is play to Win if gear like this can be purchased. It should be earned only.
Almost all of the problems we're encoutering with this game are economy related and it all stems from the fact that everything can be bought - which creates an atmosphere of corruption.
We love the game, but if end game is not going to be BOE what is the point. And we are all founders too. Shame bad decisions can ruin good games.
I Totally agree LEAVE the Dungeon T1, T2 + Gear to BOP or atleast if it is going to be BOE make it a purchasable item and not a drop to roll on , That stops all of the NINJA's from robbing US blind and making Themselves rich
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aimfirewinMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 10Arc User
edited May 2013
I have a question for the PW staff. As I said in the topic I opened about an hour ago a friend showed me the bug via the gateway, I submitted an ingame ticket right away and a support ticket via the page to rollback what he has done to my account and recover my account. Is this possible? The account is not yet banned, I just wanted to know what should I expect.
Before the trolls attack, read this first, it wasnt me doing this, yes I keep my auto fill on my PC so I dont have to log in every time I want to post or start a profession task, and no, I didnt do anything after he showed me the bug, I just submitted the tickets and logged off to avoid any harmful actions. So please spare me some posts and let the PW staff answer if possible.
I'm torn on dungeon epics. On the one hand, it encourages bad behavior. On the other hand, people like me don't often have time to play long dungeons at a time, and appreciate being able to buy some when we want to catch up.
Personally, I prefer the model of each player getting their own drops. It saves on the whole need debacle.
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There is only one solution at this point. Wipe the game and restart. Apologize for what happened, refund all astral diamonds to founders, return all zen to players that purchased it throughout the entirety of this beta, and wipe all characters. Then re-release the game. This is the only way they can fix this. If there is not a wipe at this point this game is over. There have been way too many exploits already. ( Not just the AH....) They need to wipe and restart. make things right.
I too would be ticked about a wipe but seeing how people are now joining in the exploits (AH HAMSTER going down) I am starting to feel over half the player base is going to end up being banned. A Wipe might not be too bad if they gave us some things to go with it.
1) A 60 of your choice (or more depending on how many you may have already leveled)
2) A set of gear for your character where progression SHOULD BE in this game without all these exploits going on
3) All of our AD placed back in to our accounts
4) All zen placed back
5) Professions set to the same amount before wipe
6) Any rare items such as Phoera, Heavy Inferno, or Nightmare mount bought with the bars...placed in bags (Only if the account unlocked it or bought it without exploit)
None of those will probably happen so a Wipe is very unlikely. However, at this time and seeing people still being idiots; I am not against it anymore.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
We currently are in the process of taking action against a subset of accounts that were confirmed to have utilized exploits that affected the game balance or economy.
Except they can quite easily trace who traded to whom and what time etc via their logs, they can cross check this against IP etc etc.
Precisely.
But this does take time. So a 3 day ban is the logical first step, temp ban those who seem to be exploiting which prevents the markets getting even more messed up and then investigate, the people who they find have exploited the game can then be perma-banned and they can spend the effort needed to track down their alt accounts etc.
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terradraconisMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 17Arc User
I too would be ticked about a wipe but seeing how people are now joining in the exploits (AH HAMSTER going down) I am starting to feel over half the player base is going to end up being banned. A Wipe might not be too bad if they gave us some things to go with it.
1) A 60 of your choice (or more depending on how many you may have already leveled)
2) A set of gear for your character where progression SHOULD BE in this game without all these exploits going on
3) All of our AD placed back in to our accounts
4) All zen placed back
5) Professions set to the same amount before wipe
6) Any rare items such as Phoera, Hellfire Horse Mount, or Nightmare mount....placed in bags (Only if the account unlocked it or bought it without exploit)
None of those will probably happen so a Wipe is very unlikely. However, at this time and seeing people still being idiots; I am not against it anymore.
If they did a wipe they wouldn't do any of those things. All they would do is exactly what happened between closed beta and open beta. Your characters would be all gone and all zen you spent would be refunded as Zen. Oh and if your account had AD from a founders or guardian pack it would be reset. That is it.
That would be one solution. Another would be to ban every account that engaged in this and ever account that had the AD transferred to them.
That's only possible if they have some actually useful logging system that they can track everyone down easily with a few specific queries, otherwise trying to run through several thousand/tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of logs is impossible.
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IT doesn't matter if exploit is still possible or not , some people that used it already have milions of AD on various accounts hidden, another bilions of that AD is everywhere already injected to the market by the cheaters. The only way to stop that is rollback or wipe.
What doesn't make sense to me is the delay in reacting to the obvious dupe. This is my first PWE game but from what I understand Zen is the currency in several of its games, if players can transfer their Zen to other games won't this affect all of their games economies?
I too would be ticked about a wipe but seeing how people are now joining in the exploits (AH HAMSTER going down) I am starting to feel over half the player base is going to end up being banned. A Wipe might not be too bad if they gave us some things to go with it.
1) A 60 of your choice (or more depending on how many you may have already leveled)
2) A set of gear for your character where progression SHOULD BE in this game without all these exploits going on
3) All of our AD placed back in to our accounts
4) All zen placed back
5) Professions set to the same amount before wipe
6) Any rare items such as Phoera, Hellfire Horse Mount, or Nightmare mount....placed in bags (Only if the account unlocked it or bought it without exploit)
None of those will probably happen so a Wipe is very unlikely. However, at this time and seeing people still being idiots; I am not against it anymore.
There is only one solution at this point. Wipe the game and restart. Apologize for what happened, refund all astral diamonds to founders, return all zen to players that purchased it throughout the entirety of this beta, and wipe all characters. Then re-release the game. This is the only way they can fix this. If there is not a wipe at this point this game is over. There have been way too many exploits already. ( Not just the AH....) They need to wipe and restart. make things right.
Yes they could give the AD and items back to the founders and do a full wipe. I wouldnt normally be open to this but I really love this game and the exploit has kinda ruined it for me.
Maybe they could do a Triple XP for so long after the wipe to help players build back up to level 60. I've put money into this game and this has made me question if it was such a great idea.
I too would be ticked about a wipe but seeing how people are now joining in the exploits (AH HAMSTER going down) I am starting to feel over half the player base is going to end up being banned. A Wipe might not be too bad if they gave us some things to go with it.
1) A 60 of your choice (or more depending on how many you may have already leveled)
2) A set of gear for your character where progression SHOULD BE in this game without all these exploits going on
3) All of our AD placed back in to our accounts
4) All zen placed back
5) Professions set to the same amount before wipe
6) Any rare items such as Phoera, Heavy Inferno, or Nightmare mount bought with the bars...placed in bags (Only if the account unlocked it or bought it without exploit)
None of those will probably happen so a Wipe is very unlikely. However, at this time and seeing people still being idiots; I am not against it anymore.
I am completely opposed to a full on wipe, but you make a fantastic point, I could live with a lot of this, the issue is doing it correctly. Obviously having a team of high schoolers pretending to be programmers isn't working out too well for them...
You can't wipe after cash shop goes live. Explain to me how you can do this without having to refund everyone their money? How would you feel if you bought a key and got a nightmare out of it?
Actually you could wipe, you just give everyone the amount of zen they bought with cash for free so that they can repurchase everything that they want.
To be honest, a full wipe won't give me back the time i invested into my character. I leveled to 60 over many hours. I farmed Skirmishes and Dailies for AD and then gambled my way up in the AH, until I was wealthy enough to purchase enough Zen for more character slots.
I have not exploited anything. And I don't want to loose my character because of the time I invested.
Today I logged in and saw the high Zen price in the AD Exchange and sold all my Zen. I guess it would be right to remove the AD I gained, because I bought them from an exploiter. But I would like to have my Zen back in that process.
So as the recent exploit didnt include leveling, why not just rollback all AH purchases since the exploits started? Add to that all Astral Diamond Exchange transactions and all Zen purchases and we're good I think.
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I had 4 milion legit AD yesterday whichwas a bit of a sum yesterday and it is completly nothing today
To people talking about IP bans - Get ur heads up it's 2013 there is plenty of ways to evade IP ban, change IP or whatever, like every cheater use proxy IP etc, there is no way IP ban can really do any job against them.
Anyway economy is now nuts and something need to be done, the only real solutions are rollback / full wipe.
BOTH OF THEM GOT DISADVANTAGES
But you need to have guts on this. Banning won't repair the economy lots of people probably liquided their AD in milion ways and a lot of those AD is floating in legit hands now THX to the auction house.
You won't get a dime back.
I Totally agree LEAVE the Dungeon T1, T2 + Gear to BOP or atleast if it is going to be BOE make it a purchasable item and not a drop to roll on , That stops all of the NINJA's from robbing US blind and making Themselves rich
Before the trolls attack, read this first, it wasnt me doing this, yes I keep my auto fill on my PC so I dont have to log in every time I want to post or start a profession task, and no, I didnt do anything after he showed me the bug, I just submitted the tickets and logged off to avoid any harmful actions. So please spare me some posts and let the PW staff answer if possible.
Personally, I prefer the model of each player getting their own drops. It saves on the whole need debacle.
Wicks and Things: NW-DI4FMZRR4 : The Fenwick merchant family has lost a caravan! Can you help?
Beggar's Hollow: NW-DR6YG4J2L : Someone, or something, has stolen away many of the Fenwicks' children! Can you find out what happened to them?
Into the Fen Wood: NW-DL89DRG7B : Enter the heart of the forest. Can you discover the secret of the Fen Wood?
2- delete all players
3- delete or zen coin or astral diamonds
4- start with official game, after fixed hard all possible exploits
Dumb, dumb, dumb...
- You dont see that it's time to take a decision ! stop massacre
Nope I would be very unhappy if they wiped and rolled back the game. Very unhappy.
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So what would be your approach to this ****ty mess? Let it go through so Astral Diamonds is worth less than lint?
1) A 60 of your choice (or more depending on how many you may have already leveled)
2) A set of gear for your character where progression SHOULD BE in this game without all these exploits going on
3) All of our AD placed back in to our accounts
4) All zen placed back
5) Professions set to the same amount before wipe
6) Any rare items such as Phoera, Heavy Inferno, or Nightmare mount bought with the bars...placed in bags (Only if the account unlocked it or bought it without exploit)
None of those will probably happen so a Wipe is very unlikely. However, at this time and seeing people still being idiots; I am not against it anymore.
Multiple Personas, only 'One' me
"Why should one devolve themselves to try and entertain those of a lesser mindset around them?"
That would be one solution. Another would be to ban every account that engaged in this and ever account that had the AD transferred to them.
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hmmmm? which economy?
Precisely.
But this does take time. So a 3 day ban is the logical first step, temp ban those who seem to be exploiting which prevents the markets getting even more messed up and then investigate, the people who they find have exploited the game can then be perma-banned and they can spend the effort needed to track down their alt accounts etc.
If they did a wipe they wouldn't do any of those things. All they would do is exactly what happened between closed beta and open beta. Your characters would be all gone and all zen you spent would be refunded as Zen. Oh and if your account had AD from a founders or guardian pack it would be reset. That is it.
Which is why I DO NOT WANT A WIPE!!!!!!!
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That's only possible if they have some actually useful logging system that they can track everyone down easily with a few specific queries, otherwise trying to run through several thousand/tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of logs is impossible.
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PWE/Cryptic's action would be
1)Wipe don't compensate you for **** and just say http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8f2YeOsXETA
2)Ban all the cheaters and say "That's all we can do. QQQQQ"
Yes they could give the AD and items back to the founders and do a full wipe. I wouldnt normally be open to this but I really love this game and the exploit has kinda ruined it for me.
Maybe they could do a Triple XP for so long after the wipe to help players build back up to level 60. I've put money into this game and this has made me question if it was such a great idea.
I am completely opposed to a full on wipe, but you make a fantastic point, I could live with a lot of this, the issue is doing it correctly. Obviously having a team of high schoolers pretending to be programmers isn't working out too well for them...
Actually you could wipe, you just give everyone the amount of zen they bought with cash for free so that they can repurchase everything that they want.
I have not exploited anything. And I don't want to loose my character because of the time I invested.
Today I logged in and saw the high Zen price in the AD Exchange and sold all my Zen. I guess it would be right to remove the AD I gained, because I bought them from an exploiter. But I would like to have my Zen back in that process.
So as the recent exploit didnt include leveling, why not just rollback all AH purchases since the exploits started? Add to that all Astral Diamond Exchange transactions and all Zen purchases and we're good I think.