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Rolling Need on items, not for your class?!
mewbrey
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Almost ever dungeon group today that I have done, I've seen just about every one rolling need on everything to put it on the auction house. It is so out of order when you are in a group an item drops for your class and some one takes it who cannot use it and blatantly announces that they are doing it for the auction house.
To top it off ignore does not stop you from getting grouped with these people again in the future.
Can we please have a improved loot system where only the class that can use such item can roll on it while in groups? This is becoming epidemic... Group dungeon I was just in great weapon fighter two handed weapon drops... rogue rolls needs and then when asked why, he casually reply's "Because I need AD".
I am playing a Cleric and have not been hurt by this yet due to lucky rolls, but its shocking to behold.
To top it off ignore does not stop you from getting grouped with these people again in the future.
Can we please have a improved loot system where only the class that can use such item can roll on it while in groups? This is becoming epidemic... Group dungeon I was just in great weapon fighter two handed weapon drops... rogue rolls needs and then when asked why, he casually reply's "Because I need AD".
I am playing a Cleric and have not been hurt by this yet due to lucky rolls, but its shocking to behold.
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i NEED that item to put up on auction to buy other things, isn't a hard concept to grasp, and if everyone rolls need on everything is that not perfectly fair in itself?
I hope PW will change this immediately.
Its not a question on what is fair or not fair, its a question of how scummy people really are, obviously pretty scummy!
I'd be happy if I could just put people on ignore and not be thrown into a group with them again via the dungeon tool, or if they improved the medieval loot system.
Also a smart band of mercenaries would sort their gear out to be more effective... so they could cope with better tasks, you don't give your demolition specialist a field medics equipment when you have a medic on hand, I know I would feel more safe anyhow.
Uh so you don't have to pay for dungeon loot? you get your own? you can make money selling it? Iunno man. I just unno. :l
If you're playing with random people don't expect them to follow roll rules. Simply because they're actually not rules at all. Just a guideline kind of deal...
I am also of the old school where we grew up with worse loot systems than this and had to make our own rules and boycott or call ninja those who dident acquiesce to them.. back then if you were classed as a ninja looter you literally may as well reroll because no-one would group with you and word got round fast..
Nowadays though you dont need to have a bank acc.(by this i mean the average age and maturity of gamers has gone waaaay down) and also mmo are less exclusive, everyone and there dog plays them so the ninja looter thing means nothing anymore
It disgusts me also... but i just move on and find another group.. I do like to play in pugs though because you can still find some really nice kind people out there, normally if you make an act of kindness near the beggining of the dungeon that gets reciprocated as well..
Well just my 2 cents
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There is nothing worse than running dungeons and having players "steal" your class loot when they can't use it and you actually need it. To see new MMO's make the same mistakes that older MMO's have made is just asking for failure.
I am already getting a bad taste in my mouth and have yet to start playing.
Don't paint the game with the same brush as the community, and a fair amount of the community is fantastic... but there are some in game issues and for me this is a fairly large one hence the post! I really hope they look into this as I can imagine it will be a rather large turn off for a great many people.
Game is really enjoyable, so don't let that bad taste ruin it for you.
Because people will have more than one character.. And maybe they will want pieces for the specific character? Maybe you see more loot for say a control wiz than anything else, that means the wiz is going to get most of the loot guaranteed. even if he doesn't need it.
My brother on the other hand...well...it took a lot of scolding and educating for him to not take stuff which didn't belong to his class.
...and I still have to check the top of the screen to make sure he's not claiming my cleric items.
The thing is he doesn't do it because he is trying to take it all for himself. He does it because he figures it's equal opportunity. The way he would prefer it to work is to auto-give the item to a random person in the group regardless of the class requirements. So he naturally needs everything with the expectation everybody else will need an item.
So it's not always about being scummy. If it wasn't for dealing with my own brother I'd be agreeing with you but he's not doing it because he find joy in taking all the items. I saw that first hand.
If you ask for it, even a random person, he'd give it up if it was for your class.
I would like to see a more in depth system but I'm not exactly sure what. Greed has been a key part in D&D since...ever. The thieves always tried to take more than their fair share! That was, in many regards, part of the fun.
But at the same time it's not exactly 100% functional as is.
I'd like to see, maybe, a roll modifier if the item is for your class. Say you get +20 on every need roll if it's for your class.
That I can appreciate, and I understand that many people have not had a great deal of experience in MMOs and it is something I often over look having played them for over 15 years now... But to counter that, in the group today when the GWF did ask for it back and was out right refused as the rogue wanted to sell it on AH. I'd rather that dungeon boss drops could not be sold, that could help perhaps?
So, really, what this comes down to is a problem which is probably caused by 10-50% of the player base, likely more towards 20-30 than anything else, and yes I am pulling numbers out of the abyss...
So my opinion on this matter comes down to: should everybody suffer because of a handful of people?
And to that I don't have an answer.
I'm sure there's a way to improve it but personally I don't want to see the entire thing handicapped to the point that you can only need on items your class needs and such. Controlling people is a double edged sword which hurts the same people it often tries to protect.
It's a very gray area to me.
most of us rolling need come from sto/co where the entire community is so sick of in-combat looting and that box interfering with the ui during combat that we all just hit the top box fast to get it the hell off the screen - and of course the general HAMSTER-burglarly that comes with a f2p community.
however unlike those two games i could see a class limiter being put on gear. it tells you what class it's for even before you identify it.
Reminds me of Diablo 3 AH system
I know the loot system isn't perfect. Personally I'd prefer class restricted items over free for all, but alas, that's not how it works in this game.
In some cases yes. In all...hell no. :-)
Like I said there's a solution, I'm sure, but that's not it.
Item drops shouldn't be given and bound to the characters unless they are of the right class. If rarer drops were bound on pick-up I feel they should only be dropped and given to classes that can use them.
But if every boss/high value drop was BoP the auction house would be useless.
And since we all know (from tons, and tons of experience) that there will always be that one guy who is going to constantly need on items he plans on selling, why even allow it? If this is disallowed, like it is in many other recent MMOs, then the problem immediately goes away.
This was suggested weeks ago I think. Go figure.
I think for the sake of the game they should do something about it because as first impressions go of instances thats not a good one. It will most likely turn some people away.
I think it has to do with the more inclusive nature of MMOs now. There are always people who ruin games, but I think as games have tried to appeal to more people more and more of those rude people are playing games.