Change the server

vital111111 · February 2022

Is it possible to change the server without losing the progress of the character?
I live in Ukraine and I would not like to play on a russian server.

iskandar · February 2022

Is it possible to change the server without losing character progress?
I also live in Ukraine and would not like to play on a Russian server.

modlesie · February 2022

Ban russian server anyway :P

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

Unfortunately, I have not heard of any mechanism for switching servers in NW.

If the current sanctions banning Russia from the payment system lasts, the future of Lurker(the Russian server) is uncertain anyways. With no payments coming in and with no ability to pay for hosting(I assume Lurker is located in Russia?), it likely will be impossible to keep Lurker going.

greywynd · March 2022

Isn't Drider the Russian server?

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

greywynd said:
Isn't Drider the Russian server?

Wups, sorry. My mistake.

hotfrostworm · March 2022

But I don't think you can copy characters to or from Drider as you would Mimic for Preview. The short answer is just to start over on the other server. The long answer would be to jump through a lot of hoops (user support) and see if they can move your account.

I imagine the chat there has become very toxic.

vital111111 · March 2022

I have already written in technical support, I hope if it is not possible to make a transfer tool, then maybe you can do it manually.

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

vital111111#1745 said:
I have already written in technical support, I hope if it is not possible to make a transfer tool, then maybe you can do it manually.

It is technically possible, they are doing it from Dragon to Preview. It is more a question of it they want to do it. Such moves have consequences for the economy etc.

Cryptic already refuse to do business with Iran, North Korea, Sudan because of US law. I would not be surprised if Russia is added to that list at some point.

That would kill the russian server.

vital111111 · March 2022

it would be good) even with the loss of all my things

blargskull · March 2022

Maybe they can move the Russian server to the Ukraine? It is not like they have to put the server on a boat or something.

If Cryptic sits on their hands too long, the Russian server will become the property of Russia and Pooten will be using it for making bitcoin instead.

vital111111 · March 2022

Interesting opinion) What we have (if this issue will be resolved)
1. Ability to transfer the character
2. Transfer support after the player's request
3. Cancellation of the Russian server and "creation" of the Ukrainian server)))
What is the opinion of NITOCRIS83 COMMUNITY MANAGER on this issue?

hadestemplar · March 2022

blargskull said:
Maybe they can move the Russian server to the Ukraine? It is not like they have to put the server on a boat or something.

If Cryptic sits on their hands too long, the Russian server will become the property of Russia and Pooten will be using it for making bitcoin instead.

The Global ( Dragoon) server host is in Boston's Data Centre. Russian - Dryder server host is in Amsterdam.

The databases of playerbases also bellong to Perfect world inc, game source and server files bellong to Cryptic Studios inc.

So Russians have no ways to claim server and make money from it.. What you do with such your claims, is just causing uneeded panic, which cause game decline further..

Other than that,, need to distinct Putin and rest of Russians.. No need escalate unneeded hates.

vital111111 · March 2022

The question was whether it is possible (any) to transfer the character from the server to the server, while there is no answer we are generating opportunities.

greywynd · March 2022

You said you asked in Technical Support. Have you tried emailing Support?

vital111111 · March 2022

Yes, I applied.
replied that they, as administrators, cannot do this, but will forward my request to the developers.

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

hadestemplar#9918 said:

Other than that,, need to distinct Putin and rest of Russians.. No need escalate unneeded hates.

Ok, we are getting fairly political here now. And I have heard that theory advanced in other places too.

But I disagree.

When the Russian nation is attacking the Ukrainian nation, the members of the Russian nation can't distance themselves from the atrocities by saying it is the leadership. The Russians are part of their nation and in this case have to stand by it. It is their taxes, their sons, and their votes being used to wage an aggressor war.

If they are unhappy about it, they need to find a way to elect a new leadership that has a policy better suited to their preferences, and get rid of Putin.

fritz · March 2022

The way things are developing I wouldn't be shocked if the Russian server was closed before too long. Maybe Drider is just filled with happy Moscow kids giving a HAMSTER about Adolf Putin, but you would think that Cryptic at least would need to actively moderate chat to prevent hate speech and propaganda. And I doubt that's something they have the manpower for. Simply cutting cords seems like the smart business decision tbh.

greywynd · March 2022

fritz#8093 said:
The way things are developing I wouldn't be shocked if the Russian server was closed before too long. Maybe Drider is just filled with happy Moscow kids giving a HAMSTER about Adolf Putin, but you would think that Cryptic at least would need to actively moderate chat to prevent hate speech and propaganda. And I doubt that's something they have the manpower for. Simply cutting cords seems like the smart business decision tbh.

If you want them to moderate it, I'd suggest not contributing to it.

thany · March 2022

Probably not (and it's not related to this game only) but you can take a fresh start. It'll be like you got a new life. In x10 years you'll be where're you right now... Jokes asside, you can't change. Well, it's possible to move you from one server to other (manual, if they want to do all that job)... But... They can't even fix bugs so i woulnd't bet on that.

therealprotex · March 2022

mentinmindmaker said:
Ok, we are getting fairly political here now. And I have heard that theory advanced in other places too.

But I disagree.

When the Russian nation is attacking the Ukrainian nation, the members of the Russian nation can't distance themselves from the atrocities by saying it is the leadership. The Russians are part of their nation and in this case have to stand by it. It is their taxes, their sons, and their votes being used to wage an aggressor war.

If they are unhappy about it, they need to find a way to elect a new leadership that has a policy better suited to their preferences, and get rid of Putin.

You think Russia is a real democracy and Putin is legally elected...? Interesting.

therealprotex · March 2022

I am not a network specialist, but could blocking russian IPs be a solution? Although I see two problems there:
1. Proxys that veil true IPs
2. If IP blocking works, how many accounts/players are left on Drider? Is it then economically reasonable to keep the server up still?

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

therealprotex said:

mentinmindmaker said:
Ok, we are getting fairly political here now. And I have heard that theory advanced in other places too.

But I disagree.

When the Russian nation is attacking the Ukrainian nation, the members of the Russian nation can't distance themselves from the atrocities by saying it is the leadership. The Russians are part of their nation and in this case have to stand by it. It is their taxes, their sons, and their votes being used to wage an aggressor war.

If they are unhappy about it, they need to find a way to elect a new leadership that has a policy better suited to their preferences, and get rid of Putin.
You think Russia is a real democracy and Putin is legally elected...? Interesting.

That is not what I am saying. I am saying any nation is responsible for their leadership, no matter how it comes to be. Russia is a bone-hard dictature with only a thin wrapping of democracy over it. Yet, the population have accepted this, and from what I have seen Putin is not that unpopular, or at least was not.

The germans loved Adolf Hitler until 1944 when the consequences of the lost war started hitting them hard at home. There were very few cases of opposition against him until 1944.

There are ways to get rid of even the hardest dictatures. Some are bloody, some are not. But in the end the dictator is out because the population see themselves better served by a different leadership. The history books are full of examples of this. If the population really want a change, they got the power to effect it, even if the price could be costly. The Russian revolution is just one of many examples.

And that probably is what scares Putin most. If the Urainian war becomes too costly or if he cannot claim a victory, he very likely will lose the leadership of Russia. And most likely the International Court of Justice will pursue him for crimes against humanity. Starting wars are classified as crimes against humanity.

kalina311 · March 2022

tchefi · March 2022

vital111111#1745 said:
Is it possible to change the server without losing the progress of the character?
I live in Ukraine and I would not like to play on a russian server.

I hope Cryptic will allow you to move your account and toon(s) from the russian server to the global one, and let you keep all progress and stuff.
Considering the current situation, it seems quite a futile thing you are asking for...
But if it is one little way that makes you feel escaping from and resisting to the russian grip, my opinion is
Cryptic @nitocris83 should (must) do it.

I live in France, I will check this thread once everyday in hope to see a bit of news about you, even if it is only 2 words.
Take care of yourself as much as you can, take care of your family as much as you can.

vital111111 · March 2022

Thank you all for your support. While all are alive, fights take place near the city, we keep)
I still haven't received an answer to my request to transfer the character. but I hope that this topic will be supported. And move on.

therealprotex · March 2022

mentinmindmaker said:
That is not what I am saying. I am saying any nation is responsible for their leadership, no matter how it comes to be. Russia is a bone-hard dictature with only a thin wrapping of democracy over it. Yet, the population have accepted this, and from what I have seen Putin is not that unpopular, or at least was not.

The germans loved Adolf Hitler until 1944 when the consequences of the lost war started hitting them hard at home. There were very few cases of opposition against him until 1944.

There are ways to get rid of even the hardest dictatures. Some are bloody, some are not. But in the end the dictator is out because the population see themselves better served by a different leadership. The history books are full of examples of this. If the population really want a change, they got the power to effect it, even if the price could be costly. The Russian revolution is just one of many examples.

And that probably is what scares Putin most. If the Urainian war becomes too costly or if he cannot claim a victory, he very likely will lose the leadership of Russia. And most likely the International Court of Justice will pursue him for crimes against humanity. Starting wars are classified as crimes against humanity.

Your "knowledge" about German history pretty much proves that you actually have no idea how such regimes work. There HAS been restistance before WW2 started. The "White Rose" rings a bell with you? There HAVE even been assassination attempts. Look up Stauffenberg for example. You are wrong when you say that "germans loved Hitler" before 1944. Those who could take advantage from his regime did. The rest was suppressed and controlled by fear. Gestapo, SS and SA, the tool of his terror, should tell you something. It is the same in Russia. Look what happens when you publicly state in Russia that what happens in the Ukraine is an invasion. Look what happened even BEFORE this war started with people who publicly criticised Putin. You remember the name Navalny for example? You are wrong when you claim that the common citizen has a chance to change regimes like that. Even for organized groups it is very hard to impossible. The only chance to get rid of Putin is if those who support him now become dissatisfied with him.

And btw, you really claim russians "love" Putin? North koreans "love" Kim Jong-un? Because they do not remove these dictators? Seriously?

mentinmindmaker · March 2022

therealprotex said:

mentinmindmaker said:
That is not what I am saying. I am saying any nation is responsible for their leadership, no matter how it comes to be. Russia is a bone-hard dictature with only a thin wrapping of democracy over it. Yet, the population have accepted this, and from what I have seen Putin is not that unpopular, or at least was not.

The germans loved Adolf Hitler until 1944 when the consequences of the lost war started hitting them hard at home. There were very few cases of opposition against him until 1944.

There are ways to get rid of even the hardest dictatures. Some are bloody, some are not. But in the end the dictator is out because the population see themselves better served by a different leadership. The history books are full of examples of this. If the population really want a change, they got the power to effect it, even if the price could be costly. The Russian revolution is just one of many examples.

And that probably is what scares Putin most. If the Urainian war becomes too costly or if he cannot claim a victory, he very likely will lose the leadership of Russia. And most likely the International Court of Justice will pursue him for crimes against humanity. Starting wars are classified as crimes against humanity.
Your "knowledge" about German history pretty much proves that you actually have no idea how such regimes work. There HAS been restistance before WW2 started. The "White Rose" rings a bell with you? There HAVE even been assassination attempts. Look up Stauffenberg for example. You are wrong when you say that "germans loved Hitler" before 1944. Those who could take advantage from his regime did. The rest was suppressed and controlled by fear. Gestapo, SS and SA, the tool of his terror, should tell you something. It is the same in Russia. Look what happens when you publicly state in Russia that what happens in the Ukraine is an invasion. Look what happened even BEFORE this war started with people who publicly criticised Putin. You remember the name Navalny for example? You are wrong when you claim that the common citizen has a chance to change regimes like that. Even for organized groups it is very hard to impossible. The only chance to get rid of Putin is if those who support him now become dissatisfied with him.

And btw, you really claim russians "love" Putin? North koreans "love" Kim Jong-un? Because they do not remove these dictators? Seriously?

As for Hitler popularity you could for instance read:
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909.html

I did not say there was NO opposition, I said there were few cases. And those few cases that are known are very much highlighted. But they still remain few.

You could for instance read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism
Quote: The German resistance consisted of small, isolated groups that were unable to mobilize widespread political opposition.
Quote: By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the HAMSTER regime was very small.

The history books are full of situations where the people have gotten rid of dictators that did not serve their interests. The people cannot claim innocence if their leadership leads them astray. If a dictator survives, it is by the passive accept of the population.

greywynd · March 2022

Or by being backed up by those that have influence and/or guns.

therealprotex · March 2022

mentinmindmaker said:

As for Hitler popularity you could for instance read:
https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/the-fuehrer-myth-how-hitler-won-over-the-german-people-a-531909.html

I did not say there was NO opposition, I said there were few cases. And those few cases that are known are very much highlighted. But they still remain few.

You could for instance read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_resistance_to_Nazism
Quote: The German resistance consisted of small, isolated groups that were unable to mobilize widespread political opposition.
Quote: By contrast, the German historian Hans Mommsen wrote that resistance in Germany was "resistance without the people" and that the number of those Germans engaged in resistance to the HAMSTER regime was very small.

The history books are full of situations where the people have gotten rid of dictators that did not serve their interests. The people cannot claim innocence if their leadership leads them astray. If a dictator survives, it is by the passive accept of the population.

Hitler and his staff were eloquent talkers, like most demagogues are. That's why he won germans over in the beginning. But he had to kinda force the president Hindenburg to name him chancellor of the Weimar Rebublic. Why do you think it is called "Hitlers Machtergreifung" (takeover)? He forced his election. By fear and terror.

Anyway, the question remains, do you still claim that every country that is ruled by a dictator kinda "loves" this dictator because else the people would remove him somehow...? That is a very naive way of looking at history and politics.

greywynd · March 2022

How many Cubans died trying to get to Florida? They wouldn't have tried if they loved Castro.

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