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  • jules#6770 jules Member Posts: 583 Arc User
    edited February 19

    I dont think is a problem of elitism. I think is a problem of numbers. It doesnt matter if the weapon is mod 8, 1 or 19, if that weapon is the best in dps BY FAR. The bonuses of the weapons should be more close in damage. You can add lots of things that doesnt affect to damage, and make them interesting.

    And the best would be that some weapons are better for some classes or some playstiles, not 1 weapon to rule them all. At least in damage.

    Thats true. I think thats one of the saddest things for me that this was not considered at all, even tho many people found so many different ways when we discussed gear and rewards on CDP and beyond. I remember all the ways to encourage different playstyles that were proposed by players, to not only introduce but also upgrade existing gear that would give the game way more depth, and would give everybody something to do. Anything, really.
    - bye bye -
  • thany#4351 thany Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited February 19
    I think this is the bigest problem in NW right now - mirage set. Just kill even that little much of fan for some people. Nerf, nerf, nerf... Don't know who is worse about nerfs. Devs or some "players". They nerfed literally everything. What's the point in some dungeons if we're scalled down ?!?! People have been playing without ench, with old items (not mirage) and doing more dmg... And still our problem is mirage set !?!? Wow.
  • admiralwarlord#3792 admiralwarlord Member Posts: 404 Arc User
    In a topic created in Bug Reports, I didn't see a quote on why weapons had a bug other than the one it's given more damage than outdated and demoted content weapons like others were when new content arrived. The difference now is that you don't need to delete the old one, you have choices and you get what you think or conclude to be better for you. Oh the Lion's weapons have been nerfadas and only give 7.5% bonus damage, but ToMM can be completed by 5 ppl and this has to remain encore forever. The item level difference from ToMM to mZ is 30 to 35k and currently an end game has at 45k average. I'm doing a lot of ad selling River items, let the commoners like me ever happy.

    And as someone quoted, the Celestial weapons weren't even BIS for all classes, and it was already becoming a problem for the Dev's in trying to adjust them so that the other classes besides DC and HR could use them.
  • josephskyrimjosephskyrim Member Posts: 356 Arc User
    Is this a hard set to get solo? Just curious as I quite like the visual effect, having seen others with it.
    If you can't stand on a chest, it is a mimic!
  • elderislt#1066 elderislt Member Posts: 141 Arc User
    > @josephskyrim said:
    > Is this a hard set to get solo? Just curious as I quite like the visual effect, having seen others with it.

    No you dont need any skil for thus wepon just farm farm farm becose drop ratr is wery low
    BABY ZARIEL.... 270k base HUNTER
  • krevgkrevg Member Posts: 64 Arc User
    It is quite a grind to get the mirage set. I find it very odd that the complaints here (not bugs but complaints) are that the weapon is performing close to what the tool tip says it does. If it truly worked as described, the mirror images would also cast encounters and use the at-will your character uses. The big issue here isn't that the Mirage Set performs well, it's that damage base damage was removed from weapons. Before, we had a system where the desirability of a set was based on the damage it provided, with some consideration for the bonuses. Now, it's a bonus driven system, so it makes sense that older sets can out perform the newer ones. Especially since increasing IL increases the caps. This means for older, scaled content, old weapon sets will almost always be better than the newest set.

    If people want the most current set to always be BIS, then we need to push to go back to the system with base damage coming from the weapon set, not IL. This is especially important, as damage is capped in all scaled content, so having a higher IL actually hurts you, versus helping, as it raises caps but not damage. This is really something the development team needed to think through more thoroughly before implementing the changes.

    I'll also add, it's a very undesirable practice to reduce the performance of stuff that is either expensive or hard to get through grinding. All that does is devalue the process of obtaining these items and lead to unhappy players.

    Back to the Mirage Set... Where are the tests for various classes in scaled and unscaled content to back the claims??? We all know performance varies significantly by class, zone, scaling, caps, weapon enchants, etc. Before making claims that something should have it's performance reduced, it would be nice to see some actual testing. Let me know how the Mirage Set works for a team in trials vs the MW set. Thanks.
  • datarider#1036 datarider Member Posts: 156 Arc User
    :p
  • redchillismoke#2115 redchillismoke Member Posts: 12 Arc User
    The reality is, that toons are not customizable. IF they were customizable, grinding for things like the Elemental sets or Mirage would have a meaning. Just because it's old, doesn't mean it cannot be awesome. If grinding your HAMSTER off in someplace like River District means they'll nerf HAMSTER out of existence, there's no point to grid for it.
    Murder time is fun time!
  • mr9000rpm#7375 mr9000rpm Member Posts: 25 Arc User
    In the end I feel the answer would be to buff celestial weapons and stop nerfing other weapons. Make the hardest weapons to get the most desirable. We already got LH nerfed cuz people complained now mirage is being complained about. Really need to stop complaining about other sets and start complaining to get celestial buffed. Cuz what’s next if they nerf mirage? Prolly people complaining that burning weapons are too OP, and then another and then another. Let’s stop nerfing and start buffing higher stuff instead plain and simple.
  • silente07#2597 silente07 Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    It’s already been nerfed on Preview server, so just a matter of time till it goes live.
    Yeah one more thing not worth doing anymore.
    Good job 1%!
    Now you can go back to arguing about what YOU need to be BIS.
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,441 Arc User
    edited February 26
    @noworries#8859 I'm hearing the mirage set is still more powerful than lh and still better for many classes. maybe it needs more nerf? I don't have a problem with weapons outclassing lh and celestial if they are newer weapons.. but it shouldn't even be competitive.


  • silente07#2597 silente07 Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    > @thefiresidecat said:
    > @noworries#8859 I'm hearing the mirage set is still more powerful than lh and still better for many classes. maybe it needs more nerf? I don't have a problem with weapons outclassing lh and celestial if they are newer weapons.. but it shouldn't even be competitive.

    Just change them to wooden weapons and be done.
    Lol
    In fact just remove all ok’d weapons from the game since a few classes are getting a bonus point.

    I give up.
    Eff the casual gamers and enjoy yourselves.

    Lol

    Crash and burn baby
  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,441 Arc User

    In the end I feel the answer would be to buff celestial weapons and stop nerfing other weapons. Make the hardest weapons to get the most desirable. We already got LH nerfed cuz people complained now mirage is being complained about. Really need to stop complaining about other sets and start complaining to get celestial buffed. Cuz what’s next if they nerf mirage? Prolly people complaining that burning weapons are too OP, and then another and then another. Let’s stop nerfing and start buffing higher stuff instead plain and simple.

    I am fine with them making all weapons of modern make more or less in the same sphere and then something to build up to later in the game. my only objection is making something from mods ago the most powerful thing in the game.


  • thefiresidecatthefiresidecat Member Posts: 4,441 Arc User
    edited February 27

    > @thefiresidecat said:

    > @noworries#8859 I'm hearing the mirage set is still more powerful than lh and still better for many classes. maybe it needs more nerf? I don't have a problem with weapons outclassing lh and celestial if they are newer weapons.. but it shouldn't even be competitive.


    Just change them to wooden weapons and be done.

    Lol

    In fact just remove all ok’d weapons from the game since a few classes are getting a bonus point.


    I give up.

    Eff the casual gamers and enjoy yourselves.


    Lol


    Crash and burn baby

    the mirage set takes a lot of time to farm and was over performing. afaik there are lots of decent options that are performing well but not ridiculously so that are not gated behind tomm or zariel. even mw is quite good now. it's not HAMSTER anyone over to not want stuff from mod 11 or whatever to be beyond bis.

    I'm also calling bs on your "oh think of the poor casuals" angle. the only people I've seen sporting this are well known try hards.


  • thany#4351 thany Member Posts: 179 Arc User

    It’s already been nerfed on Preview server, so just a matter of time till it goes live.

    Yeah one more thing not worth doing anymore.

    Good job 1%!

    Now you can go back to arguing about what YOU need to be BIS.

    Nice. Let's talk about what next one should be nerfed. Diversity in this game - 0 points.
  • solacer99#2045 solacer99 Member Posts: 2 New User
    edited February 27
    I can't create a new topic, so I'll write about the river district weapons here.
    I have one question, we can buy Ground Jade for make a mirage weapons, Spell Amber for Lifeforged and Arcan Magical Writings for main component for all weapons, so why we can't buy Petrified Dust, Tained Soil for Fey and Aboleth weapons ? And I would forget Arcanic Focus for secon main component for all weapons, why we can't buy it on Auction House ? The developers will fix it or what it is ?
    Post edited by solacer99#2045 on
  • midnightitamidnightita Member Posts: 227 Arc User

    I can't create a new topic, so I'll write about the river district weapons here.

    I have one question, we can buy Ground Jade for make a mirage weapons, Spell Amber for Lifeforged and Arcan Magical Writings for main component for all weapons, so why we can't buy Petrified Dust, Tained Soil for Fey and Aboleth weapons ? And I would forget Arcanic Focus for secon main component for all weapons, why we can't buy it on Auction House ? The developers will fix it or what it is ?

    Are you really asking to 'fix' 4 years old content?
  • solacer99#2045 solacer99 Member Posts: 2 New User
    > @midnightita said:
    > Are you really asking to 'fix' 4 years old content?

    yes because someone has to, if they corrected such minor errors the game would certainly be better, no one pays attention to it or even knows that it may affect the mechanics of his game
  • pitshadepitshade Member Posts: 5,101 Arc User
    Some reagents are Bound to Character to make you earn the weapons. The rest you can grind out or buy as you choose.
    "We have always been at war with Dread Vault" ~ Little Brother
  • erikanudanerikanudan Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    SO, just checked the latest changes to Mirage on my rogue. Laughable, at least for my build.

    Summary of changes to Master Of Illusion (this is just base damage comparisons, not any Daily power use for burst damage during effect):
    Note: The 10% extra damage vs targets with temp HP or shields remains unchanged).

    Original - 10% dmg for 10 seconds every 30 seconds, so a 3.33% average overall base damage increase.

    1st change (40% dmg reduction) - 6% dmg for 10 seconds every 30 seconds, so a 2% average overall base damage increase.

    Latest (50% dmg reduction from 1st change, or a 70% dmg reduction from Original) - 3% dmg for 10 seconds every 30 seconds, so a 1% average overall base damage increase.

    As for Bleed, only source I have on my assassin is Duelist's Flurry ... and it's just a chance for it to proc, not even guaranteed. Sure illusions using it increase chance for that to proc, but everything dies so fast from AOEs that I really just use them for mob distractions so I take fewer hits.

    And with Duelist's Expertise feat, I can more than ramp up my damage against bosses if I even want to use my Daily for a burst.

    Still going to continue to use Mirage until they finalize their foolishness ... it's just too much fun for an older set! Especially when just casually soloing Sharandar weeklies, dailies, and MHE!

    And after doing a post patch run in Sharandar now, I honestly did not see any difference to the amount of damage the illusions were doing. They were still wiping out groups of 10-15 mobs easily. Not gonna mention the synergy of HOW I get them to do that, since they've already meddled with this set enough!

    There are more than enough ways to ramp up outgoing damage than just an older outdated superior set bonus.

    And there will always be some form of best for build set and bonus, not necessarily Mirage.

    It's a game, go farm and build as you want and have fun!

    Elsill Killya - Assassin (Mirage for evah!)



  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,324 Arc User
    edited March 3

    In the end I feel the answer would be to buff celestial weapons and stop nerfing other weapons. Make the hardest weapons to get the most desirable. We already got LH nerfed cuz people complained now mirage is being complained about. Really need to stop complaining about other sets and start complaining to get celestial buffed. Cuz what’s next if they nerf mirage? Prolly people complaining that burning weapons are too OP, and then another and then another. Let’s stop nerfing and start buffing higher stuff instead plain and simple.

    I am fine with them making all weapons of modern make more or less in the same sphere and then something to build up to later in the game. my only objection is making something from mods ago the most powerful thing in the game.
    I would counter that with two points:

    Since they've now made Illusionist's Gambit as hard as a lot of the endgame runs, it is as hard a slog to get as the newest weapons.

    An obvious consequence of scaling in practically all content and removal of damage from weapons was that old weapons and gear became viable again. Cryptic removed the necessity to upgrade to be better. This was so obvious that it must be WAI.

    Do I agree that they 'should' have done this? No, but when they make all the old content as hard as the new content (and nerf weapon enchantments, mount insignia bonuses, on-gear stats etc), players need to find any edge they can that exists within the new paradigm.
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  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,324 Arc User

    I can't create a new topic, so I'll write about the river district weapons here.

    I have one question, we can buy Ground Jade for make a mirage weapons, Spell Amber for Lifeforged and Arcan Magical Writings for main component for all weapons, so why we can't buy Petrified Dust, Tained Soil for Fey and Aboleth weapons ? And I would forget Arcanic Focus for secon main component for all weapons, why we can't buy it on Auction House ? The developers will fix it or what it is ?

    All RD weapons have at least one ingredient that you have to farm for yourself. Mirage has always been the hardest to farm as it was the best set.
    Please Do Not Feed The Trolls

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    Xane De Armadeon: CW
    Zen De Armadeon: OP
    Zohar De Armadeon: TR
    Chrion De Armadeon: SW
    Gosti Big Belly: GWF
    Barney McRustbucket: GF
    Lt. Thackeray: HR
    Lucius De Armadeon: BD (coming soon)


  • silente07#2597 silente07 Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    > @armadeonx said:
    > I would counter that with two points:
    >
    > Since they've now made Illusionist's Gambit as hard as a lot of the endgame runs, it is as hard a slog to get as the newest weapons.
    >
    > An obvious consequence of scaling in practically all content and removal of damage from weapons was that old weapons and gear became viable again. Cryptic removed the necessity to upgrade to be better. This was so obvious that it must be WAI.
    >
    > Do I agree that they 'should' have done this? No, but when they make all the old content as hard as the new content (and nerf weapon enchantments, mount insignia bonuses, on-gear stats etc), players need to find any edge they can that exists within the new paradigm.

    This! All the content been scaled to be equally difficult. So now it’s weapon bonuses and gear bonus that are more important than stats.

    The combat system only partially changed.
    We still have the same structure of boons and feats and powers.
    Only the formula for stats have changed. The gear isn’t new, mounts, comps all the same with a minor change because
    ARP was removed.

    So folks are looking now for anything to make a viable set. It’s nice to see the old districts active.

    I wish Primals were available again and that Tyrant eons would be fixed to remove the 10 min timer like watchers sets.
  • mushellkamushellka Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 261 Arc User
    armadeonx said:



    Since they've now made Illusionist's Gambit as hard as a lot of the endgame runs, it is as hard a slog to get as the newest weapons.


    If it's as hard as endgame runs, why don't you guys make a weapon from zariel
    or tomm instead, but you bothering with this old HAMSTER?
    Better to feed the troll than listen to the idiot .
  • silente07#2597 silente07 Member Posts: 142 Arc User
    > @mushellka said:
    > If it's as hard as endgame runs, why don't you guys make a weapon from zariel
    > or tomm instead, but you bothering with this old <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>?

    Not as much fun. Playing is about having fun.
    ZC and TOMM are still BIS

    And old <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> is still fun.

    For some it’s not about the boards, it’s about the chest at the end and spending time with friends. AND
    Exploring new ways to do things and ways to have fun with the game.
    Mirage set is an important part of that.
  • mushellkamushellka Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 261 Arc User
    If it's not about the boards. . . For fun with friends and exploring old junk, you might as well run around with weapons from the citadel, or legion's weapon :)
    Better to feed the troll than listen to the idiot .
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