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In summary, with regards to their claims, allow me to paraphrase good 'ole Araghast The pillager. "Bold words, little developers...now show me deeds..."
I’m not saying there appears to be some kind of bias or favoritism here…. On second thought that’s exactly what I’m saying –
Intermediate and Epic level content seems to be harder for those who used to run it, so the content gets nerfed… or players will have to have better stats to run that content making things easier for everyone.
But for players stuck in lower and leveling content who also see the content they used to run more difficult, possible modifications get shrugged off and they remain as they are… those players are just supposed to 'deal with it'.
Some queues have had the items levels raised for players allowed to enter intermediate and epic level content – how about we lower the item level for players allowed to enter lower and leveling content (keep the 5 member party modification), as was suggested multiple times over many months?
Let the instances “pop” slower if as the developers claim that is something that is likely to happen. At least give it a shot and see if their worst fears are real – or just imagined. *We all know changes made after a modification can be rolled back with little or no effort, if and when it appears to be necessary.
Anyone with an item level sufficient to run intermediate or epic level dungeons should be running intermediate and epic level dungeons, not leveling dungeons anyway.
That seemed to be crux of the majority of complaints regarding those limited to leveling dungeons anyway, some high level players running off abandoning the party, slaughtering everything in sight, or just ignoring mobs and leaving them for stragglers and some fewer deriding slower or lower level players for not playing to their expectations.
Why should players with higher item levels be allowed to run leveling dungeons as well as intermediate dungeons and in some cases epic dungeons when players with lower item levels are confined to leveling dungeons?
Just to make lower and leveling dungeons queue more quickly - maybe?
* It is intended that game is harder now - you should not be able to solo group instances or behave like a solo player in a group instance
* It is intended that you need to use proper group tactics now. Let tank go first. Healers must heal. Stay out of red. Don't grab aggro. Don't attack from the front.
The zones getting fixes have obvious problems in that mobs are basically unkillable due to tuning issues.
I have not had any difficulty problems in the RLQ instances I have been running, but I have had to adapt my tactics and play with the team rather than pretending it is 5 people doing solo content. The problems I have had in RLQ is the group builder making groups with no tank or healer...
If you find RLQ content that is too hard you should post specifics in the threads here on the forum, but make sure to change your playstyle to group play first.
That would be RAQ.
Levelling content means 1-60 zones, Elemental Evil and Undermountain. Campaign zones like Barovia, IWD, etc are not "random levelling content".
So, this patch is helping "average" players.
(No I don't like the scaling, all level 70 zones should be moved to level 80 period and scaling should be removed from content except RLQ.)
Obsidian Oath - Warlock
A whole lot of other Obsidian toons as well.
And the scaling is completely ridiculous our rank 15 Bonding rune stones that do 70% in lostmauth scaled all the way down to 20%. My offense stats which are all over 10k beyond the cap at 80 are way under the cap scaled to 70 to the point where I maybe crit 15% of the time. not that it matters since the armor pen does little to get through regardless. and so many attacks are just 1 hit you are dead. But yeah get good is the answer. You already removed the vast majority of the buffs and power sharing is gone. That alone should have increased the difficulty of these dungeons with scaling stuff down to 1/3-1/2 effectiveness.
All I really have to say so far is Thanks, I can plow through my 3 daily master expeditions and play other games i have put off because I used to enjoy giving all my time and spare game money to Neverwinter. I mean I would play the new lvl 80 dungeon that was hyped up in the lead up to the new mod but nah we did not even get that and have yet to hear any real time frame from you guys, so yeah fun fun we have no dungeons that are not scaled to even play in and no expeditions do not count since you can solo them with no real trouble. which also means we have a lovely seal vendor page that is completely useless because looking at gear you may want to get because those seals can not even be received by played yet because no lair of the mad mage yet..... Why have stuff in the game that players can not even get? Seems this mod is you trying to get as many people as possible to pay that ridiculous nearly $200 pack to to get a new weapon set before you let those unwilling a chance to farm seals to buy the set from the seal vendor. the live servers are starting to resemble what I would expect to see on a game that is "early access" on steam only on steam those games are usually discounted from what they figure the price will be when they are done with all their testing because they understand you are actually helping them with that testing and the player knows ahead of time as well since their are very obvious disclaimers saying such where as we get a new pack that cost $200 far more than anything else in your store, double the next most expensive in fact.... If you want live to basically be a test server as well at least have prices in your store to reflect that since you want people to test rather then enjoy the game.
You have successfully, at least in the very short term, kept people in Tyrs Paladium and in our alliance guilds hopeful that you will continue to tweak. And for getting it out as soon as you can. THAT part is to be commended for sure. (Even though you guys knew about most of this stuff already for a month and a half +.)
We are keeping things as positive as we can and we are SO HAPPY for our guild leaders and officers in our Fellowship guilds that are leading the way creating a light and positive path and environment to play Neverwinter in post MOD16 era.
Special thanks to @oremonger#9999 of Tyrs Paladium for doing such detailed testing to point out bugs and assist the developers make a better game. In fact thanks to ALL testers in the Neverwinter community for helping point out bugs.
Yes we feel you released this mod WAY too early, and caused unneeded confusion in the community for both newer players AND long time vets, but these immediate and continuing patches is a very good thing and I hope they keep coming. You need to focus your dev energy on making this right BEFORE you crank up work on your next mod.
Here is the work of @oremonger#9999 highlighting the intense lag in our most recent Dragonflight last night!!! You guys have work to do here!
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However, there are issues:
- The big issue is is that the developers still seem to be under the impression that the scaling is basically "in a good place" and just needed some "tweaks" and bugfixes, whereas many players see it as fundamentally flawed and in need of a redesign.
- Those changes do nothing about the issue of a well-geared L80 player getting downscaled to be weaker than an average player of "appropriate level".
- If you happen to level up, you may see your stats go down. Seriously. I have seen different implementations of scaling, but this really deserves a HAMSTER of the year award. Punishing people for progressing?
- Those changes do nothing about the issue of "BiS" and "average geared" players being downscaled to basically the same level - which really hurts players' motivation to progress.
While necessary, those fixes do not motivate me do to "downcaling" content at all. I'll just stick to 3x Master expeditions per day, and that's all. I would do LoMM, except that for some odd reason it has been removed (which is strange, as it was kind-of working on Preview). Some word on when it will be back would be appreciated.Intermediate and Epic level content seems to be harder for those who used to run it, so the content gets nerfed… or players will have to have better stats to run that content making things easier for everyone.
But for players stuck in lower and leveling content who also see the content they used to run more difficult, possible modifications get shrugged off and they remain as is… those players are just supposed to deal with it.
Some queues have had the items levels raised for players allowed to enter intermediate and epic level content – how about we lower the item level for players allowed to enter lower and leveling content (keep the 5 member party modification), as was suggested multiple times over many months?
Let the instances “pop” slower if as the developers claim that is something that is likely to happen. At least give it a shot and see if their worst fears are real – or just imagined. *We all know changes made after a modification can be rolled back with little or no effort, if and when it appears to be necessary.
Anyone with an item level sufficient to run intermediate or epic level dungeons should be running intermediate and epic level dungeons, not leveling dungeons anyway.
That seemed to be crux of the majority of complaints regarding those limited to leveling dungeons anyway, some high level players running off abandoning the party, slaughtering everything in sight, or just ignoring mobs and leaving them for stragglers and some fewer deriding slower or lower level players for not playing to their expectations.
Why should players with higher item levels be allowed to run leveling dungeons as well as intermediate dungeons and in some cases epic dungeons when players with lower item levels are confined to leveling dungeons?
Just to make lower and leveling dungeons queue more quickly - maybe? So you're saying if higher level players who run intermediate and advanced level content say "there's a problem", that should be addressed - but if lower level players who run lower and leveling content say "there's a problem", there is no problem???
Yes the game was intended to be harder, across the board for all players regardless of character level... but the changes in character stats did little to nothing to make lower level and leveling content more difficult for higher level players, it may have slowed them down a bit (but not much from what I've already observed), but now those higher level players are more successfully able to one-shot lower level opponents, been to the Neverdeath Charthraxis event recently?
I'm all for making it so some members in a party finding it more difficult to abandon the rest of their party members and attempt to solo a quest, I fully support the attempt to necessitate the use proper group tactics in content requiring a party… but from actual observation, although the modifications from Mod16 sounded good – realistically they haven’t seemed to produce the results I believe many of us were expecting or hoping for.
The only reason leveling and lower level content don't have more "unkillable" mobs and bosses is because higher level players are still allowed to run that content so higher level players are able to profit from random leveling queues, random intermediate queues and some even able to profit from random advanced queues... where as new and lower level players only have random leveling queues and some higher level players are still attempting to dominate that content to the exclusion of other party members....
No problem in RLQ's? On behalf of players who can only access RLQ's who don't have access to RIQ or RAQ content, I beg to differ.
Most lower level players don't complain because the content they are limited to is "hard", but complain because some players have intentionally made it harder than it's supposed to be, by abandoning the group. Have taken away the enjoyment of being able to participate in that content because some players tend to try to dominate that content or simply the pressure to try to keep up (sometimes unsuccessfully) as some players run past mobs in an attempt to get to the end game more quickly.
I actually have no qualms about higher level players running RLQ's so long as they are willing to act as a member of the party and not attempt to speed run or dominate the content...
But then I also have no qualms about lower level characters being allowed to run RIQ or even RAQ content so long as they are aware of what they're getting into and will attempt to act as a member of the party. There's no doubt even low level players can use that exposure as a learning experience for when they reach higher levels instead of just stumbling their way through that content when they actually meet the minimum requirements...
Of course a lot of higher level players are going to grouse about even the suggestion of allowing one low level player into a party for RIQ or RAQ content because it will make that content harder... but then didn't you say the new Mod was "intended that game is harder..."?
Funny how some players will complain about the content being too "hard" and will ask for all kinds of tweaks to make it easier, even if that means excluding lesser experienced, lower equipped players aren't allowed to participate in that content.
But no one complains about content being too "easy", even if it again tends to exclude lesser experienced and lower equipped players who aren't allowed to participate in that content.
I have complained about content being too easy; I quit the game for 5 years for that very reason. I didn't come back specifically for this expansion, but I am not disappointed that it's happening, and serious issues, such as what's being covered here, need to be addressed. Anything that's found to not be working as it's supposed to should be fixed. However, there is no patch that can be released by any developer anywhere that can force solo stars to play as a part of the team, and this is what will add to some player's issues in leveling content. It's even highlighted as an issue in your posts. The devs can't fix this, and players using the queue are always, and have always been at the mercy of the queue system.
Now, you say a barbarian or wizard with 20k Arpen do triple the damage of the Cleric. Sorry, no way. Not happening. Not in L80 content. Not taking you seriously unless you have ACT logs to prove it.
Yes, it is (considerably) slower.
Yes, it requires more focus and attention.
Yes, it requires playing as a team player.
Yes, it is less complex than it was.
Yes, combat is more choppy and not as fluid as it was.
Yes, dungeons are harder than they were.
But it is doable.
Now, I am not sure I like the new combat system, the increased time spent, very uncomplicated and too-slow gameplay.
But if that is the problem, people need to argue along those lines, not just blame it all on 'scaling'.
So I'm running some EE content in DDO, cussing left and right about people that zerg content, only to have my guildmates laughing their asses off at me. "What's so funny", I asked, "You're zerging the hell out of this cussing out the zergers". I tend to get good at these kinds of games, I have plenty of time to practice. But the point here is more that there's nothing a game developer can do to prevent it. The solutions run from accepting it for what it is, and doing what you can to forming a guild of like minded individuals and running the content in guild groups, or even just pre-made groups. It is, in fact, what I recommend to anyone that's struggling with queue woes. However, since until very recently, lvl 70 content wasn't leveling content, but end game content, you're going to have to decide on what you want to discuss, and be clear about it.
Edit: When I quit, there was no level 70 content, and it wouldn't happen for another year. I'm not prone to coming to the forums to announce my departure from games I'm not happy with, I just quit logging in, and quit coming to their forums.
As a side note, if you can't get to the stat targets for level 80 content without an augment, you probably need better gear.
It is impossible to run content in a game that was not added to the game for another year, or so, afterI quit.
What's the old song? "Ninety nine little bugs in the code, ninety nine little bugs, you take one down, patch it around, one-hundred-twenty-seven little bugs in the code!"