I may be misreading what you are typing, but getting 4 procs on the same damage application would be multiproccing as with 4 Tenebrous enchantments they shouldn't all be firing, they should be increasing the chance of a single fire. Meaning that you should never see more than one Tenebrous damage from a single damage application.
Testing on a single target with how Tenebrous is on preview right now, I can fairly often get multi-procs from single target/single damage abilities. Which is not working as intended.
My bad @noworries#8859 , I mean that hitting multiple targets with an AoE skill (like SW Fireball) was looking like having some kind of cap at the number of Tenebrous equipped, but this "cap" it's probably my mind trying to find patterns at the way Tenebrous was working.
What I didn't notice is that Tenebrous was multiproccing while hitting multiple targets at once, just that if I do attack slower I get more Tenebrous procs per attacks done, which results on a net loss of DPS becuase you have to attack slower. This is also a reason I thought there was some kind of cap at the number of times Tenebrous could proc at any given instant.
I'll try to test (SW and GWF) with single target and see what happens.
Tenebrous shouldn't work off of reflected damage or DoTs.
Does this mean that if I use Brand of the Sun (Devoted Cleric At-will that applies a damage over time to the target) repeatedly on the target that I have a 0% chance of proccing Tenebrous regardless of how many times I hit the enemy with Brand of the Sun?
Currently I preview I hit the training dummies approximately 200 times with 3 r13 Tenebrous enchants equipped and gots 0 procs. This 200 does not count the damaging ticks of Brand of the Sun, only the application of it. Is this working as intended?
The effect procs off of damage which isn't DoT or reflected damage. It doesn't proc off of abilities being used. Brand of the Sun only applies a damage that is a DoT (there is no difference between the first tick of a DoT and subsequent ones).
This would be working as intended.
Doesn't this somewhat make the enchant completely unusable by any class that relies on DoTs to deal damage? SW, DC, HR (trapper), and maybe to a lesser extent CW and TR? Why wasn't it made to proc on only the first hit similar to a weapon enchant?
EDIT - it's worth noting that Tenebrous seems to still proc off of the first hit of DoT powers if the DoT also procs a weapon enchant at the same time, since the weapon enchant causes a non-dot damaging hit. I could not replicate any situation where this increased the number of procs, simply allowed some dot powers to proc tenebrous where they weren't able to before.
Typically we have powers that proc off of At will/Encounter/Dailies, or powers that proc off of damage with restrictions (long internal cooldowns, low proc chance, certain types of damage don't trigger it, build up charges and then it fires off the effect).
There are advantages and disadvantages for each. Ones that proc off of power usage are very predictable and all of the powers a player is using will trigger it. Downside is that a player can only use powers so fast.
Damage ones have a lot that they can trigger off of, including having multiple opportunities for multi strike attacks, certain feats, boons, enchantments, etc. Downside is they can be less predictable and have some extra restrictions. Given that this is damage as a percentage from HP, it can be a significant extra bit of damage and the intent was not to have players have high deflect, throw a bunch of DoTs on different targets, and sit back and watch Tenebrous proc all over the place. I think the changes make it significantly more useful than it was with its long internal cooldown.
Given how many different things can trigger the Tenebrous enchant, I believe most classes can find a use for it. Even if they use several DoT powers.
So that explains the reason Pillar of Power doesn't proc Tenebrous, because even the first tick is a DoT.
One thing that hurts the Tenebrous viability at PvE is that its damage goes through the monster level difference so that's a direct reduction of 25% of the base damage, and furthermore it can only go in offensive slots, it would be great if it was modified so it could be equiped at any slot, similar to the last eldritch change.
I'm not sure than players will change, for exemple, 4 randiant rank 14 (4000 power) who qives 10% of dps (100% of time) for 4 tenebrous rank 14, who risk to proc (28%,basically 1 time on 4), for 7% of HP as damages, on average 10k for endgames players.
So, in resume: Radiant: 2.5k on all hits at least Tenebrous: 10k on 1/4 hits.
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I'm not sure than players will change, for exemple, 4 randiant rank 14 (4000 power) who qives 10% of dps (100% of time) for 4 tenebrous rank 14, who risk to proc (28%,basically 1 time on 4), for 7% of HP as damages, on average 10k for endgames players.
So, in resume: Radiant: 2.5k on all hits at least Tenebrous: 10k on 1/4 hits.
That's not quite right. 4000 power only gives you 10% "more" dps if you have 0 power. This isn't to be confused with diminishing returns (which power doesn't have), but rather relative increase. If I was going to deal 1,000 damage but I add in 4000 power, I will deal 1,100 damage instead. Now lets do it again, but this time I already had 4,000 power and was already going to deal 1,100 damage because I already had the power beforehand. I will now have a total of 8,000 power (20% bonus), and will deal 1,200 damage. 1,200 damage is in fact 20% bigger than 1,000, but it's not 10% bigger than 1,100. That new power only gave me an additional 9.1% more damage.
If we look at an end-game DPS in an end-game group, they will have somewhere between 120,000-250,000 power. This means that 4 radiant enchants are only going to give them 1.4%-2.5% more dps. Not 10% more dps.
Now the issue with comparing Tenebrous is the fact that is scales only off of your max HP. It ignores buffs, and power. This means that in an end game group where you have at absolute most 250-300k HP as a DPS, the enchant will deal 17.5k - 21k damage at most. It's proccing on average around 28% of the time. We have to just assume the average, since it's random. This should bring it to around 6k damage on average per hit, assuming we have 300k HP.
So to compare, we need to see which of these is higher, 6k damage or 1.4% more dps from 4 radiants. Now we don't know how much damage our theoretical DPS is doing, so that's the variable we need to solve for. How much damage must we do before 4 radiants outperforms 4 tenebrous assuming our DPS has 300k HP and 250k power (which attempt to give Tenebrous the biggest advantage it can possibly get). The answer is 425,000 damage. If our powers deal more than 425,000 damage per hit, radiant outperforms Tenebrous.
How many DPS do 425,000 damage or more per hit? Everyone. DCs do more than 425,000 damage per hit... This enchant will likely only see use in lower-end groups or solo content, where massive buffs don't exist. As long as we have less than 300,000 HP and deal more then 425,000 damage per hit, Tenebrous cannot win without any shenanigans.
I have yet to do the math for pvp though, where it looks like it could be on par with radiants there. If the enchant was designed to only be an engaging new toy for pvp that's probably fine, but then it should probably be advertised as such as well.
EDIT - note that this excludes the fact that DoT based abilities cannot proc it, it excludes the possibility of some feats and special abilities proccing tenebrous more than once, and excludes the bug causing multiple tenebrous enchants to proc at once.
I'm not sure than players will change, for exemple, 4 randiant rank 14 (4000 power) who qives 10% of dps (100% of time) for 4 tenebrous rank 14, who risk to proc (28%,basically 1 time on 4), for 7% of HP as damages, on average 10k for endgames players.
So, in resume: Radiant: 2.5k on all hits at least Tenebrous: 10k on 1/4 hits.
That's not quite right. 4000 power only gives you 10% "more" dps if you have 0 power. This isn't to be confused with diminishing returns (which power doesn't have), but rather relative increase. If I was going to deal 1,000 damage but I add in 4000 power, I will deal 1,100 damage instead. Now lets do it again, but this time I already had 4,000 power and was already going to deal 1,100 damage because I already had the power beforehand. I will now have a total of 8,000 power (20% bonus), and will deal 1,200 damage. 1,200 damage is in fact 20% bigger than 1,000, but it's not 10% bigger than 1,100. That new power only gave me an additional 9.1% more damage.
If we look at an end-game DPS in an end-game group, they will have somewhere between 120,000-250,000 power. This means that 4 radiant enchants are only going to give them 1.4%-2.5% more dps. Not 10% more dps.
Now the issue with comparing Tenebrous is the fact that is scales only off of your max HP. It ignores buffs, and power. This means that in an end game group where you have at absolute most 250-300k HP as a DPS, the enchant will deal 17.5k - 21k damage at most. It's proccing on average around 28% of the time. We have to just assume the average, since it's random. This should bring it to around 6k damage on average per hit, assuming we have 300k HP.
So to compare, we need to see which of these is higher, 6k damage or 1.4% more dps from 4 radiants. Now we don't know how much damage our theoretical DPS is doing, so that's the variable we need to solve for. How much damage must we do before 4 radiants outperforms 4 tenebrous assuming our DPS has 300k HP and 250k power (which attempt to give Tenebrous the biggest advantage it can possibly get). The answer is 425,000 damage. If our powers deal more than 425,000 damage per hit, radiant outperforms Tenebrous.
How many DPS do 425,000 damage or more per hit? Everyone. DCs do more than 425,000 damage per hit... This enchant will likely only see use in lower-end groups or solo content, where massive buffs don't exist. As long as we have less than 300,000 HP and deal more then 425,000 damage per hit, Tenebrous cannot win without any shenanigans.
I have yet to do the math for pvp though, where it looks like it could be on par with radiants there. If the enchant was designed to only be an engaging new toy for pvp that's probably fine, but then it should probably be advertised as such as well.
EDIT - note that this excludes the fact that DoT based abilities cannot proc it, it excludes the possibility of some feats and special abilities proccing tenebrous more than once, and excludes the bug causing multiple tenebrous enchants to proc at once.
You can rationalise it as diminishing returns on your percentage of power increase, but there is no diminishing returns on the amount of damage increase. 10% more of 1000 base damage will be 100 whether you have +100% or +1000% damage.
Diminishing returns typically refers to stats which are coded to actually yield less per point outside of this natural diminishing effect, such as damage taken debuffs under the new system. As your debuff total goes up, a debuff that normally adds 10% damage instead adds less than that, leading to a 'doubly' diminished effect, essentially.
I think the tenebrous has one niche application in PvE - OP's with templars wrath & burning light plus lightning enchantment. Go into a mob - proc TW for 500K HP - charge BL ticks 9 times. When you hit 5 targets with 9 BL ticks you get 135 lightning arcs plus 45 hits from BL ticks = 180 hits. Then watch Tenebrous do its thing.
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I think the tenebrous has one niche application in PvE - OP's with templars wrath & burning light plus lightning enchantment. Go into a mob - proc TW for 500K HP - charge BL ticks 9 times. When you hit 5 targets with 9 BL ticks you get 135 lightning arcs plus 45 hits from BL ticks = 180 hits. Then watch Tenebrous do its thing.
According to the rules supposedly put in place by the devs, the enchantment cannot proc from DoTs, which should immediately disqualify Burning Light as a good application for the enchantment. If however Burning Light does proc the enchant, I would have to wonder if it isn't a bug, since last I checked it is a DoT.
Note though, that last I checked, weapon enchants procced by DoTs seem to be capable of applying Tenebrous, and I am fairly sure each tick of Burning Light procs weapon enchants, which I am not sure is intended either.
If you are in actuality getting less damage increase the more points you put into power, how is that not a diminishing return?
As eldritch stated, you never get less increase from power. The smaller relative increase comes from is being addition rather than multiplication. It's like giving 25 cents to a millionaire compared to giving 25 cents to a small child. On one hand you give the millionaire nothing of value, while on the other, you likely doubled the small child's life's savings. It's still 25 cents. The 25 cents own value didn't diminish, the relative increase did.
I think the tenebrous has one niche application in PvE - OP's with templars wrath & burning light plus lightning enchantment. Go into a mob - proc TW for 500K HP - charge BL ticks 9 times. When you hit 5 targets with 9 BL ticks you get 135 lightning arcs plus 45 hits from BL ticks = 180 hits. Then watch Tenebrous do its thing.
According to the rules supposedly put in place by the devs, the enchantment cannot proc from DoTs, which should immediately disqualify Burning Light as a good application for the enchantment. If however Burning Light does proc the enchant, I would have to wonder if it isn't a bug, since last I checked it is a DoT.
Note though, that last I checked, weapon enchants procced by DoTs seem to be capable of applying Tenebrous, and I am fairly sure each tick of Burning Light procs weapon enchants, which I am not sure is intended either.
If you are in actuality getting less damage increase the more points you put into power, how is that not a diminishing return?
As eldritch stated, you never get less increase from power. The smaller relative increase comes from is being addition rather than multiplication. It's like giving 25 cents to a millionaire compared to giving 25 cents to a small child. On one hand you give the millionaire nothing of value, while on the other, you likely doubled the small child's life's savings. It's still 25 cents. The 25 cents own value didn't diminish, the relative increase did.
BL is not a DoT, it fires individual attacks - if an enemy moves out of range part way through the discharge they stop being hit. The same goes for the CW's Icy Terrain.
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I think the tenebrous has one niche application in PvE - OP's with templars wrath & burning light plus lightning enchantment. Go into a mob - proc TW for 500K HP - charge BL ticks 9 times. When you hit 5 targets with 9 BL ticks you get 135 lightning arcs plus 45 hits from BL ticks = 180 hits. Then watch Tenebrous do its thing.
According to the rules supposedly put in place by the devs, the enchantment cannot proc from DoTs, which should immediately disqualify Burning Light as a good application for the enchantment. If however Burning Light does proc the enchant, I would have to wonder if it isn't a bug, since last I checked it is a DoT.
Note though, that last I checked, weapon enchants procced by DoTs seem to be capable of applying Tenebrous, and I am fairly sure each tick of Burning Light procs weapon enchants, which I am not sure is intended either.
If you are in actuality getting less damage increase the more points you put into power, how is that not a diminishing return?
As eldritch stated, you never get less increase from power. The smaller relative increase comes from is being addition rather than multiplication. It's like giving 25 cents to a millionaire compared to giving 25 cents to a small child. On one hand you give the millionaire nothing of value, while on the other, you likely doubled the small child's life's savings. It's still 25 cents. The 25 cents own value didn't diminish, the relative increase did.
BL is not a DoT, it fires individual attacks - if an enemy moves out of range part way through the discharge they stop being hit. The same goes for the CW's Icy Terrain.
Then why is Pillar of Power classified as a DoT? If they move out, it stops. Still classified as a DoT.
EDIT - Actually, even better yet, why is Punishing Light, a devoted cleric at-will that must be channeled on enemies, considered a DoT?
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You say that you are making a simplified refining system but still Storm of the king weapon sets use different stones. Any particular reason for doing that? Except the fact that it is a relatively new mod? Or it will require rework?
Sorry if my question has already being asked but this ost is huge and I can not go through all of it.
You say that you are making a simplified refining system but still Storm of the king weapon sets use different stones. Any particular reason for doing that? Except the fact that it is a relatively new mod? Or it will require rework?
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Previously answered: #1: Storm King Thunder's extra refining stones will give the *lower* of their two displayed values, not the higher, for balance reasons. They will stop being the best way to accelerate Relic (SKT) Weapon RP. This is considered to be an acceptable tradeoff because they *were* useful in this way for many months previously.
#2: Storm King Thunder's weapons will continue to require special marks from the SVA/MSVA chests and the Sea Of Moving Ice tasks. This is because they are still the best weapons available for DPS classes who use them carefully.
(Frankly, if you don't already have your SKT weapons maxed out? I would switch to a River District or Chult set. If you're rich, I'd go for Stronghold 2 over SKT, at this point. Farming MSVA for the marks is just too annoying IMO.)
Quartermaster's: Bag of Goods Chance at Rank 12 had 5% Chance I think? The only reason why I bought 2x for about 1,3Mio AD. And now after Changes it will have 4,5% at Rank 14?
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The bottom of the page states "This page was last edited on 20 June 2017, at 07:32." I take that nobody updated that to mod 12b yet (not as it needs to be updated).
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On top of that, ranks 7, 8 and 9 no longer need a second rank 7, 8 and 9. Which takes out all of the ranking up of second gems over and over (which required their own preservation wards to rank up).
This is quite a change to the economy of shards and weapon/armor enchantments. I would run quests (e.g. Sharandar campaign chest), create and temporarily use low level enchantments always knowing I would need quite a few of them to condense into fewer (finally: one) higher level enchantments.
Now I only need 4 shards per character per type of weapon/armor enchantment, and all further shards are wasted because everyone else can get their 4 shards too so there's no market (except for the coal wards to upgrade them). Actually, I suspect an overabundance of excess enchantments already (made for the purpose to condense them) which will flood the market because every character now only needs 1 at most per slot.
With a 1% chance to upgrade (shards of) armor/weapon enchantments, nobody is going to upgrade them just to use for refinement. Same with event-limited access enchantments - if I can only use so many enchantments per character (because number of slots is limited), all other enchantments are wasted and will be used for refinement, e.g. there's no point to buy more than half a dozen R5 quartermaster's because that's all you ever need (and upgrade them, of course).
The old system required removing enchantments from the economy thus establishing a reason to get them. The new system hits a ceiling very quickly.
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2x Superior Potency + 3x Greater Enchantment Stones
12->13
3%
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Ultimate Potency
13->14
1%
60000
2x Ultimate Potency + 3x Superior Enchantment Stones
This is the table that shows the RP needed to go up a rank.
In game the refining window indicates I need 3 X Ultimate Enchanting Stones to go to rank 14, not Superior... changes to refining have been overall pretty good, but you guys have built the wall way too high for max ranks. Most folks I know want to beleive they can actually make it to max. It doesn't have to be overnight or even quickly without RL expense, but sorry 55 coals or some insane luck on an insane number of green wards and some Enchantment Stones that barely exist in game is not really encouraging...in fact I would say it's pretty much de-motivatating.
2x Superior Potency + 3x Greater Enchantment Stones
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Ultimate Potency
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1%
60000
2x Ultimate Potency + 3x Superior Enchantment Stones
This is the table that shows the RP needed to go up a rank.
In game the refining window indicates I need 3 X Ultimate Enchanting Stones to go to rank 14, not Superior... changes to refining have been overall pretty good, but you guys have built the wall way too high for max ranks. Most folks I know want to beleive they can actually make it to max. It doesn't have to be overnight or even quickly without RL expense, but sorry 55 coals or some insane luck on an insane number of green wards and some Enchantment Stones that barely exist in game is not really encouraging...in fact I would say it's pretty much de-motivatating.
The naming was changed, but it is the same progression as initially pitched in this thread. At one point a suggestion from players came up that we should match the prefix on enchanting stones to the prefix of the marks of potency they were used with to make it easier to understand/remember what was needed. When I did that, I forgot to update the initial post with the name change, but it was always the pitch and the plan to have it be the stones that drop from ToNG.
Those stones are rarer and harder to get a hold of right now, but will become more common as we add more dungeons and content. Rank 14s aren't needed for any of our current content and are meant to be a goal for those who have everything else which is why they are gated by the hardest dungeon we currently have.
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What I didn't notice is that Tenebrous was multiproccing while hitting multiple targets at once, just that if I do attack slower I get more Tenebrous procs per attacks done, which results on a net loss of DPS becuase you have to attack slower. This is also a reason I thought there was some kind of cap at the number of times Tenebrous could proc at any given instant.
I'll try to test (SW and GWF) with single target and see what happens.
There are advantages and disadvantages for each. Ones that proc off of power usage are very predictable and all of the powers a player is using will trigger it. Downside is that a player can only use powers so fast.
Damage ones have a lot that they can trigger off of, including having multiple opportunities for multi strike attacks, certain feats, boons, enchantments, etc. Downside is they can be less predictable and have some extra restrictions. Given that this is damage as a percentage from HP, it can be a significant extra bit of damage and the intent was not to have players have high deflect, throw a bunch of DoTs on different targets, and sit back and watch Tenebrous proc all over the place. I think the changes make it significantly more useful than it was with its long internal cooldown.
Given how many different things can trigger the Tenebrous enchant, I believe most classes can find a use for it. Even if they use several DoT powers.
One thing that hurts the Tenebrous viability at PvE is that its damage goes through the monster level difference so that's a direct reduction of 25% of the base damage, and furthermore it can only go in offensive slots, it would be great if it was modified so it could be equiped at any slot, similar to the last eldritch change.
I'm not sure than players will change, for exemple, 4 randiant rank 14 (4000 power) who qives 10% of dps (100% of time) for 4 tenebrous rank 14, who risk to proc (28%,basically 1 time on 4), for 7% of HP as damages, on average 10k for endgames players.
So, in resume:
Radiant: 2.5k on all hits at least
Tenebrous: 10k on 1/4 hits.
Eleonore - CW Mof Renegade 17.5k
Harlgard le Vieux - OP Prot 18.3k
Valrik - DC AC 18.2k
Furiela - SW Temp 18.1k
If we look at an end-game DPS in an end-game group, they will have somewhere between 120,000-250,000 power. This means that 4 radiant enchants are only going to give them 1.4%-2.5% more dps. Not 10% more dps.
Now the issue with comparing Tenebrous is the fact that is scales only off of your max HP. It ignores buffs, and power. This means that in an end game group where you have at absolute most 250-300k HP as a DPS, the enchant will deal 17.5k - 21k damage at most. It's proccing on average around 28% of the time. We have to just assume the average, since it's random. This should bring it to around 6k damage on average per hit, assuming we have 300k HP.
So to compare, we need to see which of these is higher, 6k damage or 1.4% more dps from 4 radiants. Now we don't know how much damage our theoretical DPS is doing, so that's the variable we need to solve for. How much damage must we do before 4 radiants outperforms 4 tenebrous assuming our DPS has 300k HP and 250k power (which attempt to give Tenebrous the biggest advantage it can possibly get). The answer is 425,000 damage. If our powers deal more than 425,000 damage per hit, radiant outperforms Tenebrous.
How many DPS do 425,000 damage or more per hit? Everyone. DCs do more than 425,000 damage per hit...
This enchant will likely only see use in lower-end groups or solo content, where massive buffs don't exist. As long as we have less than 300,000 HP and deal more then 425,000 damage per hit, Tenebrous cannot win without any shenanigans.
I have yet to do the math for pvp though, where it looks like it could be on par with radiants there. If the enchant was designed to only be an engaging new toy for pvp that's probably fine, but then it should probably be advertised as such as well.
EDIT - note that this excludes the fact that DoT based abilities cannot proc it, it excludes the possibility of some feats and special abilities proccing tenebrous more than once, and excludes the bug causing multiple tenebrous enchants to proc at once.
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If you are in actuality getting less for your return the more you put into power, how is that not a diminishing return again? @Darthtzarr
If you are in actuality getting less damage increase the more points you put into power, how is that not a diminishing return?
Diminishing returns typically refers to stats which are coded to actually yield less per point outside of this natural diminishing effect, such as damage taken debuffs under the new system. As your debuff total goes up, a debuff that normally adds 10% damage instead adds less than that, leading to a 'doubly' diminished effect, essentially.
lightning enchantment. Go into a mob - proc TW for 500K HP - charge BL ticks 9 times. When you hit 5 targets with 9 BL ticks you get 135 lightning arcs plus 45 hits from BL ticks = 180 hits. Then watch Tenebrous do its thing.
Note though, that last I checked, weapon enchants procced by DoTs seem to be capable of applying Tenebrous, and I am fairly sure each tick of Burning Light procs weapon enchants, which I am not sure is intended either. As eldritch stated, you never get less increase from power. The smaller relative increase comes from is being addition rather than multiplication. It's like giving 25 cents to a millionaire compared to giving 25 cents to a small child. On one hand you give the millionaire nothing of value, while on the other, you likely doubled the small child's life's savings. It's still 25 cents. The 25 cents own value didn't diminish, the relative increase did.
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EDIT - Actually, even better yet, why is Punishing Light, a devoted cleric at-will that must be channeled on enemies, considered a DoT?
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And I'm giving my full support to those who wants Empowered to give more than 20k. I'm not good at pally, but I'd like to see people finding more powerhouse options than bondings and downsetting back to 20-25k if it becomes broken.
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You say that you are making a simplified refining system but still Storm of the king weapon sets use different stones. Any particular reason for doing that? Except the fact that it is a relatively new mod? Or it will require rework?
Thank you
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#1: Storm King Thunder's extra refining stones will give the *lower* of their two displayed values, not the higher, for balance reasons. They will stop being the best way to accelerate Relic (SKT) Weapon RP. This is considered to be an acceptable tradeoff because they *were* useful in this way for many months previously.
#2: Storm King Thunder's weapons will continue to require special marks from the SVA/MSVA chests and the Sea Of Moving Ice tasks. This is because they are still the best weapons available for DPS classes who use them carefully.
(Frankly, if you don't already have your SKT weapons maxed out? I would switch to a River District or Chult set. If you're rich, I'd go for Stronghold 2 over SKT, at this point. Farming MSVA for the marks is just too annoying IMO.)
And now after Changes it will have 4,5% at Rank 14?
Damn that makes massively unhappy.
https://neverwinter.gamepedia.com/Quartermaster's_Enchantment,_Rank_12
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I take that nobody updated that to mod 12b yet (not as it needs to be updated).
This is quite a change to the economy of shards and weapon/armor enchantments. I would run quests (e.g. Sharandar campaign chest), create and temporarily use low level enchantments always knowing I would need quite a few of them to condense into fewer (finally: one) higher level enchantments.
Now I only need 4 shards per character per type of weapon/armor enchantment, and all further shards are wasted because everyone else can get their 4 shards too so there's no market (except for the coal wards to upgrade them). Actually, I suspect an overabundance of excess enchantments already (made for the purpose to condense them) which will flood the market because every character now only needs 1 at most per slot.
With a 1% chance to upgrade (shards of) armor/weapon enchantments, nobody is going to upgrade them just to use for refinement. Same with event-limited access enchantments - if I can only use so many enchantments per character (because number of slots is limited), all other enchantments are wasted and will be used for refinement, e.g. there's no point to buy more than half a dozen R5 quartermaster's because that's all you ever need (and upgrade them, of course).
The old system required removing enchantments from the economy thus establishing a reason to get them. The new system hits a ceiling very quickly.
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Did I miss the update where the RP went up per rank?
Those stones are rarer and harder to get a hold of right now, but will become more common as we add more dungeons and content. Rank 14s aren't needed for any of our current content and are meant to be a goal for those who have everything else which is why they are gated by the hardest dungeon we currently have.