adinosiiMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,294Arc User
I am not leaving, but I am even less likely to play my alts than before. I have been focusing on my main (which is pretty well geared-up), and getting my other alts to that level is simply too expensive. Sorry, not going to happen.
I do, however, suspect that many players are googling "Most Anticipated MMORPGs in 2016" and wondering where to go next.
Sad, but that is what happens when developers don't listen to their paying customers.
Hoping for improvements...
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andorrabellMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 437Arc User
edited February 2016
Extra awesome of you guys to start maintenance early (compared to the usual time) on top of not providing patch notes. This patch better have a surprise 2x everything weekend coming with it.
I know people who just growing, making their enchants and then this happen. I feel bad for my friends. Such a brilliant game in beta times. MC, DR, IWD... and then...
I will not be renewing my VIP, the the wards I could get with trade bars were the main reason I had VIP, I never got anything realy nice for opening lock-boxes. The other bonuses you got from VIP were so so at best.
I am very sad about this change. I've been enjoying buying keys, opening boxes with a chance at something special, then playing on the AH selling what I got from the lockboxes. The coals and pres wards from the tarmalunes were also great. I used this approach to convert my Zen to AD, rather than just using the exchange. It has been a lot of fun. Now, I don't see the point of the keys and lockboxes anymore, and so this fun I've had has now ended. And while I could justify buying keys and playing the AH and building rank 9 and 10 enchantments to sell on the AH (also fun for me), I can't seem to bring my mind to accepting spending $10 per coal to get my enchantments from 10 to 11 and then to 12, and also to max out my artifact gear and artifacts. In the next double refinement, I expected to do some of that. But at $10 a pop for a coal? That's steep, for 20 enchantments not counting companions, 4 artifacts, and 4 gear. Times two characters. I didn't mind spending money on the game, it is like paying for going to a movie to me, and the company behind the game IS a business. I wouldn't mind a monthly membership fee (which I consider VIP to be). But buying the coals outright, just seems to easy and too expensive. I do not understand my logic on it. The approach I've taken to converting my Zen to AD, may have even gotten me less than the exchange would, I haven't taken time to compare, because as I said, this was fun for me. I spent a lot of time on admin/auction house (selling and buying for double refinement stashes.) And now, that's ended. So sad for me. I may quit - I just can't justify in my head $10 per coal for each of the items I want to upgrade. I could justify buying the keys - opening the boxes w- and playing the auction house. So, I'm probably out now.
Not spending a single buck on this game ever again. I haven't been spending for a long while and this just made it definite. If I didn't have a guild to run and amazing people to share the experience with, I would be long gone months ago. While I'll never be broke in this game again, I can't help but think about people who are playing casually, just for fun or just not BIS, you just royally screwed them big time. While you're at reversing decisions you've made before, maybe it's time to get AD back into leadership. Lawl. Right.
Now when the Dread ring Thayans yell, "Neverwinter fools!" we know who and what they mean ... at this point it makes one wish they could to fight on the enemies team instead of against em ~
While that too is a fun quote my favorite, ever since the multitude of various economy nerfs, is that NPC outside the Seven Suns who goes "It used to be so easy to make money in this town"
If options for making progress are taken away one after the other because botters are abusing them how about tying rewards to actual content instead of repetitive tasks better suited for machines than humans. As it is I guess it's back to invoking as many accounts as you can stomach in lieu of anything even close to as profitable.
putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
if you really want to stick it to cryptic, make sure you give away all your stuff before you leave. That way your friends won't feel pressured to pay RL$ to get geared. If you don't have friends my handle is @putzboy78. I enjoy stuff and things. Your contributions are appreciated
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jumpingmorksMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 876Arc User
If mod 6 couldn't kill this game it's pretty hard to imagine what would. Likely they had an issue (that being content being made too trivial and easy) and resolved it on Xbox first, waited to see if they were still making a profit there then made the changes to PC.
May as well just leave the servers down. I never comment on forums, but this is really ridiculous. The trade bars were the only way I was ever getting coalescent wards. If you want coalescent wards to only be available in the Zen market, they need to be at a sharply reduced price. There is no way in hell I'm paying $10 to upgrade a piece of equipment, especially after I've already farmed all the stuff I needed to get it there in the first place!!! WTF guys, seriously.
1) Close the ZAX. No more buying Zen with AD. (yes, we would need a new way to transfer AD within our account too)
2) Leave these items in the TB store but make them Bind to Account.
This does not remove the "you can play 100% for free" with the loss of the ZAX. It does mean purchasing unbound Coals/pres wards/rubies will cost a lot more AD as they can only be purchased with Zen.
I dont see this as game changing or ending. It was posted days/weeks ago took this long to get outraged..........
'Most Anticipated MMORPGs of 2016" you do realize EQNext is on that list, i think its on the list every year lol......anyway if everyone is to leave when its released NWO will be here for a very long time..........hahahha
I'm usually one of the poeple who has tried really hard to keep on having fun in NW, despite the grind, and I try to ignore the dev team's poorer decisions and not let them affect my motivation, although it is very hard to ignore these decisions at times.
The change to coalescent/preservation wards, however, changes my entire set of (very complex) calculations on playing the game and making it fun for myself. During the last 2x refinement, the first 2x refinement I ever managed to use properly, I upgraded dozens of items across 4 characters to the point where only the reagents and wards were still needed. Most of these items (mythic artifacts, higher level enchantments) are at upgrade % chances of 10-20%, which means I need a lot of preservation wards. I'm also struggling to upgrade armour and weapon enchantments, and have started to acquire coalescent awards. The only resources I use trade bars for is wards. It's the main reason I have VIP, as the lockboxes aren't that good. My current stage was gathering reagents, after which I would have bought up wards and performed the many upgrades I have been planning for two months now.
So what does the trade bar wards change mean for me?
It means I feel like a fool - my carefully laid plans dashed to pieces.
It means that I will have to switch to AD's for wards. As all my AD income was already wrapped up in saving for the dozens of GMOP's I need, I have no AD's to spare - it was already an almost unsurmountable goal just saving for the reagents. I know what the AD prices for wards were, but it's obvious the prices will now rise beyond my means to buy them, unless I just grind, grind, grind harder than ever before, with those days of more powerful characters receding even further into the distance.
Free compensatory wards from cryptic? 1 coalescent and 5 PW's is nothing. 10 coalescents and 100 PW's would make up for the time I am going to lose grinding for the extra AD.
Another thing I don't like is the way the coalescent ward price spiked during the days before the announcement, as if there had been a leak from cryptic. I don't care that much about other people's exploits, but things like this spoil the atmosphere and it just becomes harder to have fun.
I still have about 80-90 days left on my VIP, and honestly, this is the first time I have thought about asking for a refund (which I would never get anyway).
As things stood before the trade bar change, disillusionment was already gathering, but I reckoned I could stick out the grind until my current VIP expired, and hope that during the next 3 months, the dev team would finally change its pro-grind policies and realise they have to make things fun. So my time horizon for an exit was "3 months, but not if there are reforms".
The current changes seem to be fairly good confirmation that the pro-grind policies will tighten, and that having fun in my last 3 months of playing NW is simply a non-starter.
It's sad, because there is so much in NW already which could be fun if handled properly by "management". It could have been a great game.
hahaha - No!!!! Cryptic made a mistake? no.... I just can't believe it.
Actually, what's more amazing is they're publicly admitting they made a mistake. That's something anyway, even if it's... hey, we gave you something you like and didn't really mean too, sorry about that, our mistake. YOINK!
Having been playing STO again for a several weeks, I'm amazed at how much better run that game is than this one. The NW team should shadow their STO colleges for a couple weeks - it would be beneficial I think.
I thought the former NWO team was removed after mod. 6? So, isn't the STO team in charge of NWO since module 6 or 7 too?
Buy slots make alts play have fun. Invoke alot. Game will really be leadership and invoke rather then D&D. Its mod 5 economy again where alts matter more then playing.
On Friday, February 19, Coalescent Wards, Preservation Wards and Blood Rubies will be removed from the Tarmalune Trade Bar Store after maintenance. Please keep discussions respectful and on-topic; we all love this game and want it to thrive.
Personally I like to be a valued customer rather than them repeatedly showing that they don't care about my play experience as long as they're getting money. For that reason I hope it will. It's not the first such action they've done, it won't be the last. There are much better quality games out there even without considering player loyalty. Remember that it took months for Cryptic to deliver the companion deal they promised (which they tried to change the deal after it was over). Do we really want to support that behaviour with success?
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I do, however, suspect that many players are googling "Most Anticipated MMORPGs in 2016" and wondering where to go next.
Sad, but that is what happens when developers don't listen to their paying customers.
This patch better have a surprise 2x everything weekend coming with it.
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If options for making progress are taken away one after the other because botters are abusing them how about tying rewards to actual content instead of repetitive tasks better suited for machines than humans. As it is I guess it's back to invoking as many accounts as you can stomach in lieu of anything even close to as profitable.
1) Close the ZAX. No more buying Zen with AD. (yes, we would need a new way to transfer AD within our account too)
2) Leave these items in the TB store but make them Bind to Account.
This does not remove the "you can play 100% for free" with the loss of the ZAX. It does mean purchasing unbound Coals/pres wards/rubies will cost a lot more AD as they can only be purchased with Zen.
'Most Anticipated MMORPGs of 2016" you do realize EQNext is on that list, i think its on the list every year lol......anyway if everyone is to leave when its released NWO will be here for a very long time..........hahahha
and I try to ignore the dev team's poorer decisions and not let them affect my motivation, although it
is very hard to ignore these decisions at times.
The change to coalescent/preservation wards, however, changes my entire set of (very complex) calculations
on playing the game and making it fun for myself. During the last 2x refinement, the first 2x refinement
I ever managed to use properly, I upgraded dozens of items across 4 characters to the point where only
the reagents and wards were still needed. Most of these items (mythic artifacts, higher level enchantments)
are at upgrade % chances of 10-20%, which means I need a lot of preservation wards. I'm also struggling
to upgrade armour and weapon enchantments, and have started to acquire coalescent awards. The only resources
I use trade bars for is wards. It's the main reason I have VIP, as the lockboxes aren't that good. My current
stage was gathering reagents, after which I would have bought up wards and performed the many upgrades
I have been planning for two months now.
So what does the trade bar wards change mean for me?
It means I feel like a fool - my carefully laid plans dashed to pieces.
It means that I will have to switch to AD's for wards. As all my AD income was already wrapped up in saving
for the dozens of GMOP's I need, I have no AD's to spare - it was already an almost unsurmountable goal
just saving for the reagents. I know what the AD prices for wards were, but it's obvious the prices will
now rise beyond my means to buy them, unless I just grind, grind, grind harder than ever before, with those
days of more powerful characters receding even further into the distance.
Free compensatory wards from cryptic? 1 coalescent and 5 PW's is nothing. 10 coalescents and 100 PW's would
make up for the time I am going to lose grinding for the extra AD.
Another thing I don't like is the way the coalescent ward price spiked during the days before the announcement,
as if there had been a leak from cryptic. I don't care that much about other people's exploits, but things like
this spoil the atmosphere and it just becomes harder to have fun.
I still have about 80-90 days left on my VIP, and honestly, this is the first time I have thought about asking
for a refund (which I would never get anyway).
As things stood before the trade bar change, disillusionment was already gathering, but I reckoned I could stick
out the grind until my current VIP expired, and hope that during the next 3 months, the dev team would finally
change its pro-grind policies and realise they have to make things fun. So my time horizon for an exit was
"3 months, but not if there are reforms".
The current changes seem to be fairly good confirmation that the pro-grind policies will tighten, and that having
fun in my last 3 months of playing NW is simply a non-starter.
It's sad, because there is so much in NW already which could be fun if handled properly by "management". It could have
been a great game.
Alternately stick to your current plan.
b. Replace uncle Ben's box with this Trade Bar announcement
c. and you can see the collective opinion of your playerbase
@putzboy78 analytic writhening was something I suspect to be Truth
...for economy, we need temporal - paying NEW player, rinse and repeat...
ps. we are now parking in prayring - maintenance mode enabled.