Actually they wear leather armor just like rogues and rangers in the game.
I also think when armoured ruffians carrying a 7' long and 2' wide metallic weapon can outrun a horse, the term "armour" pretty much doesn' mean anything except maybe point to a particular shiny apparel.
I also think when armoured ruffians carrying a 7' long and 2' wide metallic weapon can outrun a horse, the term "armour" pretty much doesn' mean anything except maybe point to a particular shiny apparel.
Maybe the lame white quality horses. (I mean lame as in the horse has been lamed.)
Actually they wear leather armor just like rogues and rangers in the game.
Fair enough, but they are not melee combatants, so I'd assume their leather would not be that much more substantial than the CWs cloth.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
I also think when armoured ruffians carrying a 7' long and 2' wide metallic weapon can outrun a horse, the term "armour" pretty much doesn' mean anything except maybe point to a particular shiny apparel.
I complained about the GWFs out-tanking GFs with their scale as well, so you are barking up the wrong tree.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
SW has too high damage that is why they are so easy to kill. If you want to give them any survivability they need to have dmg much lower.
Tell DEV's that, and give them e record"TR" is there any other class with more survivability than tr?? is there any other class that can compete with then in dps??
Playing a SW myself I must say that, beside the 'slow' casting times, I have little to no problems winning and surviving in PvP.
Just don't be the typical 'harrowstorm + killing flame' type of SW with mainly power and a Vorpal. Test around a bit more.. when built right the SW actually is a strong class in PvP, it just depends on how -you- play it.
Playing a SW myself I must say that, beside the 'slow' casting times, I have little to no problems winning and surviving in PvP.
Just don't be the typical 'harrowstorm + killing flame' type of SW with mainly power and a Vorpal. Test around a bit more.. when built right the SW actually is a strong class in PvP, it just depends on how -you- play it.
You sound like a 50-60k HP SW soulbinder and what not, I've done that. It's not the problem here, SWs have little choice when it comes to powers because half of them sucks, hard. SWs have less survival then dodge classes because you're a huge target for things like SE, LB and Ice knife, the attacker is guaranteed to hit. And you don't win a fight starting at 20% hp. SWs also have ridiculously long cast times on the only two things that have control aspects, not only being two clicks to activate but also in really clumsy slow animation.
You can be a good warlock if ur a very good player and well geared. But put the same gear and skill on a CW and ur twice as strong. THAT is the problem at hand, not that it's 'impossible' to be good, it's just a less effective class than everything else in pvp.. except GFs and GWFs which devs truely hate too, I feel your pain guys
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
All these people that come in and say they have a SW and they think SWs are strong in PvP, never actually seen their @handle running around with warlocks, even while I was intentionally stalking them. Oh and premades with a SW rolling pugs into the ground is not an indicator too, what a lame joke doing premades sometimes is. Feeling both ashamed and bored, not to mention the chance of running into another worthy premade is lower than 1/10 which is percentage of average "decent matches" I get in solo. Quit
SW is currently the weakest class in PvP, it's been said and proved many times. And if you got killed on your geared CW/TR/HR by an equally geared SW then maybe it's time for you to actually start thinking rather than just smashing buttons relying on broken mechanics. We are not any better in PvE either without TT, I think I'd even say we are something similar to pre m2 GWFs. We do something any class does way better. So what is the point of such a waste? Not going to be any better in m6 too.
Just realized SWs don't need some love. They need a TON of that so called "love". This shift ability is just a complete trash. I have 3k defense and just got 1k tenacity and some stupid control wizard with no vorpal crit me for 28k hp while I was shifting. Where is that 30% DR we are supposed to get? Honestly I'd rather have 1 dodge than full bar of that shadow slip
Cast time is frustrating at best too, why do the other beloved caster class has like blink-short casting time while SW looks like an cripple? Oh and our main tool for survivability is just "depressed".
The whole thing feels like we have to build our SWs as tanky as Guardian fighter to provide at least some challenge in end pvp. Which I see some people doing already
Please dont complain about the damage SWs get from other classes. Believe me, with my DC at 39k live and about 50% dr i often enough get oneshottet, or nearly death with the first hit of a tr oder cw, wich should be impossible. So its not the class getting killed, more the class of the attacker wich makes the difference.
The dps of a sw is absolutly ok in pvp. Let me says this as a dc wich is allways first target in any pvp. Sws can by far throw in more constant damage than most other classes.
They have to revamp the shift ability, the long animations and they should give you one more cc or a better defensive.
Let the warlock do his job he melts faster than the most other classes. But if he gets targetet ... this is the problem, not your dps !
Please dont complain about the damage SWs get from other classes. Believe me, with my DC at 39k live and about 50% dr i often enough get oneshottet, or nearly death with the first hit of a tr oder cw, wich should be impossible. So its not the class getting killed, more the class of the attacker wich makes the difference.
The dps of a sw is absolutly ok in pvp. Let me says this as a dc wich is allways first target in any pvp. Sws can by far throw in more constant damage than most other classes.
They have to revamp the shift ability, the long animations and they should give you one more cc or a better defensive.
Let the warlock do his job he melts faster than the most other classes. But if he gets targetet ... this is the problem, not your dps !
"As a DC" is a key phrase to stop paying attention.
Please dont complain about the damage SWs get from other classes. Believe me, with my DC at 39k live and about 50% dr i often enough get oneshottet, or nearly death with the first hit of a tr oder cw, wich should be impossible. So its not the class getting killed, more the class of the attacker wich makes the difference.
The dps of a sw is absolutly ok in pvp. Let me says this as a dc wich is allways first target in any pvp. Sws can by far throw in more constant damage than most other classes.
They have to revamp the shift ability, the long animations and they should give you one more cc or a better defensive.
Let the warlock do his job he melts faster than the most other classes. But if he gets targetet ... this is the problem, not your dps !
Play a warlock, and you'll notice that EVERY rogue will ALWAYS be on your ***. ALWAYS, because why? you CAN'T avoid lashing blades, you will ALWAYS lose alot of your life bar everytime someone throws lashing blade or shocking execution on you. then 6 seconds later shadow of demise kicks in and you're dead. You could not do ANYTHING about that. You might be the BEST player in the world with 1 million GS, find an equally geared rogue that knows how to play, you're going to eat SE + Lashing blade + demise = dead, nothing you can do about it, you have 6 seconds of life to play between the time it procs and the rogue is probably using his 4 dodges of invincibility while your clock is ticking... and you're dead. The rogue is laughing and u have another death to your count. You don't know what it's like to be a SW in pvp if you haven't played one, cause dps DCs are uber in pvp and they can dodge attacks.
I'm talking about rogues, but it's also true for alot more than that like CW burst dps chains, ice knives ... the list goes on
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
Play a warlock, and you'll notice that EVERY rogue will ALWAYS be on your ***. ALWAYS, because why? you CAN'T avoid lashing blades, you will ALWAYS lose alot of your life bar everytime someone throws lashing blade or shocking execution on you. then 6 seconds later shadow of demise kicks in and you're dead. You could not do ANYTHING about that. You might be the BEST player in the world with 1 million GS, find an equally geared rogue that knows how to play, you're going to eat SE + Lashing blade + demise = dead, nothing you can do about it, you have 6 seconds of life to play between the time it procs and the rogue is probably using his 4 dodges of invincibility while your clock is ticking... and you're dead. The rogue is laughing and u have another death to your count. You don't know what it's like to be a SW in pvp if you haven't played one, cause dps DCs are uber in pvp and they can dodge attacks.
I'm talking about rogues, but it's also true for alot more than that like CW burst dps chains, ice knives ... the list goes on
I hate TRs in pvp for their ability to one shot/daze me but of the classes I've played (tr,gwf,gf, cw,sw) sw, is my favorite for attacking TRs. Simply because we have two encounters that follow TRs in stealth and can lay enough dps on them to limit their stealth bar. Also, it is fairly squishy class that is game for being one shotted themselves often, through killing flames.
Fix shadow slip responsiveness and implement a casting time improvement. Do this and then fix the problems with the other classes and see where things settle. The SW has the tools to be competitive they just need to be fine tuned some.
getting some kind of dodging would really improve the gameplay, or take these redicules iceknifes and SE/lasing blade **** away
atm i normally take orbs+KF+HS because i don´t like DT in PVP
but the moment i can see the TR , after he ate some orbs, and start casting he´s 1. invisible again or 2. takes my HS but ... aleast then he´s invisibel, i can´t tab him.. no cc
or he just runs away if he decides to do so, no shadow slip can follow that speed, redicules
all in all we have possibilities to counter TR´s , more than other classes have i think
but in the end: perma daze and permastealth has to get fixed since these are absolute imbalanced possibilities in PVP
"As a DC" is a key phrase to stop paying attention.
A view over the edge is never a bad thing. I guess every feels he is primary target against a TR. Simply because good equiped TRs kill so fast that you often dont see who killed you. All i said that all defense of any class is worthless when another class is able to simply ignore it.
Play a warlock, and you'll notice that EVERY rogue will ALWAYS be on your ***. ALWAYS, because why? you CAN'T avoid lashing blades, you will ALWAYS lose alot of your life bar everytime someone throws lashing blade or shocking execution on you. then 6 seconds later shadow of demise kicks in and you're dead. You could not do ANYTHING about that. You might be the BEST player in the world with 1 million GS, find an equally geared rogue that knows how to play, you're going to eat SE + Lashing blade + demise = dead, nothing you can do about it, you have 6 seconds of life to play between the time it procs and the rogue is probably using his 4 dodges of invincibility while your clock is ticking... and you're dead. The rogue is laughing and u have another death to your count. You don't know what it's like to be a SW in pvp if you haven't played one, cause dps DCs are uber in pvp and they can dodge attacks.
I'm talking about rogues, but it's also true for alot more than that like CW burst dps chains, ice knives ... the list goes on
Again, you can insert any class, they all have the same problems with TRs. And i play a warlock to. Just believe me, first hit goes mostly on the DC. Simply because a non attacked healer can heal up everyone. I do the same when i have DCs in the opposite team. Exept the DDs have that low GS that they will be dead before the DC can heal them.
Play a warlock, and you'll notice that EVERY rogue will ALWAYS be on your ***. ALWAYS, because why? you CAN'T avoid lashing blades, you will ALWAYS lose alot of your life bar everytime someone throws lashing blade or shocking execution on you. then 6 seconds later shadow of demise kicks in and you're dead. You could not do ANYTHING about that. You might be the BEST player in the world with 1 million GS, find an equally geared rogue that knows how to play, you're going to eat SE + Lashing blade + demise = dead, nothing you can do about it, you have 6 seconds of life to play between the time it procs and the rogue is probably using his 4 dodges of invincibility while your clock is ticking... and you're dead. The rogue is laughing and u have another death to your count. You don't know what it's like to be a SW in pvp if you haven't played one, cause dps DCs are uber in pvp and they can dodge attacks.
I'm talking about rogues, but it's also true for alot more than that like CW burst dps chains, ice knives ... the list goes on
That isn't just a SW problem though.
My GF has 54k HP, 47% DR, 25% Deflec and 26% Tenacity in PVP and TRs with 4k less GS than me can one shot me.
There is a video on these very forums of a 16k TR one-shotting a 24k GWF through Unstoppable.
TRs are destroying every class you put in front of it.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
Again, you can insert any class, they all have the same problems with TRs.
No, my wizard definitly doesn't. I dodge 95% of shocking executions because I can dodge. Which was the point. and as soon as said TR hits me from stealth I chain stun him and kill him in a rotation, problem solved. Most TRs don't resist my CW combos (Because no I don't do my chain during ITC lol)
Yes clerics is usually a high priority in pvp because it just is, healers are always seen as target no 1 in all MMOs, but that was not my point though, being simply that because warlocks cannot dodge rogues have a wicked pleasure of targetting you with high damage strikes that other people can dodge, because you can't. (This is true for GF and GWF as well)
My GF has 54k HP, 47% DR, 25% Deflec and 26% Tenacity in PVP and TRs with 4k less GS than me can one shot me.
There is a video on these very forums of a 16k TR one-shotting a 24k GWF through Unstoppable.
TRs are destroying every class you put in front of it.
I feel your pain, GWF and GF are in the same boat as SW, both these classes need a buff because none of these 3 classes are really competitive in terms of 'class potential'. Point being, put a good player of 24k TR or 24k GF and notice the difference in the end result. This is what I mean by 'class potential', the TR will contribute much more than the GF can in most games.
However well played DPS DCs, CWs and HRs can destroy rogues (the good ones), the other classes have ridiculous odds of losing every time, repeatedly.
Back to the point.. SWs/GF/GWF all need some buffs for pvp, I don't deny the fighter classes. However this thread is for the SWs because I'm not familiar enough with GWF and GFs to really contribute to any discussion other than basic knowledge
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
Let's see if the new spells will do something for pvp locks in m6...
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
The only counter to SE for a SW is brood of hadar + unhuman reaction. Hear it (the rogue), find it in stealth, brood of hadar before the animation ends. While all they need to do is stealth > fool around a bit > SE > jump on your dead body lol
CW haters, the one developing hatred to this ever broken and dominating class since beta.
Yup, couldn't agree more. I think people can't see it because there's SO MANY BAD CWs out there that have 20k hp and die in two hits. I just came to realize over the past couple weeks CWs never been low rated, they're like a pseudo nerf class that wasnt ever really nerfed at all, they just keep getting stronger slowly.
Mod 5 spell storm nerf? Np, buff renegade to make it the best pvp build with crazy buffs and some regen built off your weapon damage. If that's a nerf I'll be had, lmao.
Unlike SW, who was never really GOOD in pvp to begin with, CWs just always been that good in pvp if oyu know how to play it.
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
CW haters, the one developing hatred to this ever broken and dominating class since beta.
Yup, couldn't agree more. I think people can't see it because there's SO MANY BAD CWs out there that have 20k hp and die in two hits. I just came to realize over the past couple weeks CWs never been low rated, they're like a pseudo nerf class that wasnt ever really nerfed at all, they just keep getting stronger slowly.
Mod 5 spell storm nerf? Np, buff renegade to make it the best pvp build with crazy buffs and some regen built off your weapon damage. If that's a nerf I'll be had, lmao.
Unlike SW, who was never really GOOD in pvp to begin with, CWs just always been that good in pvp if oyu know how to play it.
Back in the days when CW was considered "weak" in PvP I kept seeing some CWs rolling everything into the ground with Shard of Endless Avalache, literally CCing their enemies till they die. Everything it was about is just they had high skill cap for PvP, yet their situation in PvP was never as bad as for SWs.
It's not like noone notices they are overpowered, the thing is - everyone has one, following the herd, so noone "really" complains. Besides some mod tended to close the threads about CWs nerfs regularily while those TR ones persisted which begged many questions until recently I learnt CW is main of many devs including Panderus And their never ending reign over Neverwinter was not the only main reason I started pureply despising CWs but also all those insults and mockery I had on my PvE TR. Very often it was either "We don't need another pet" or "Oh you helped us to get to the last boss in CN, now get kicked". That's how many rogues from permastealth channel started soloing the dungeons, I guess.
Now as they ARE gettingstronger, I got annoyed seeing the class I chose to counter them getting nerfed. AGAIN, like I did not have enough on my ****ing TR already which I chose to abandon waiting for the change for like 4 mods. Oh and of course it's very true, dominate wizards never had their downfall in Neverwinter. NEVER
CWs only became very strong in module 4 thanks to boosts in survivability and control, combined with high damage. Most of which has been revoked (but as you noted, a few other broken things were added to replace that).
One of the main reasons CWs are strong right now is a bugged offhand feature that allows them to put out a lot more damage than they should. Even with that, a CW will get ganked by a TR the same as everyone else, and a CW will get completely demolished by an HR as well. A DC, GF or GWF is a good fight, with the CW probably having an overall advantage. It's mainly SWs whose every weakness basically matches a CW's strengths. CWs need a few fixes, but they're not alone in that, and they're overall not too far out of line.
Well I played when the game came out for a couple weeks then stopped and came back in mod 4 early mod 4, so I'm not completely aware of the situation I'm just following what my friends and guildies are saying and what I've seen since mod 4, and that's CWs are beast.
And tbh, I can't think of an equally geared rogue(or any other class) that can 1v1 beat me reliably on my CW, my setup is made precisely to stop these rogues because I know there's 4 of them every match, as soon as ur not ITC/Stealthed (you attack me and I can see you now so I can start my dps chain). Roots are still bugged, I'm just gunna icy shard trough your dodges, root you and start my chain from there. This is how rangers don't beat my CW, I know I can't dodge their roots, and ranger's dps comes from roots, so I just stand there and root them first then chain them freeze and kill.
I think CWs is the class that requires the most skill and the good build to play well, but if you have that you're pretty much unstoppable. because no amount of skill will make a 20k HP CW with <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> power good in pvp, that is all. Then again, this is just my opinion
Back in the days when CW was considered "weak" in PvP I kept seeing some CWs rolling everything into the ground with Shard of Endless Avalache, literally CCing their enemies till they die. Everything it was about is just they had high skill cap for PvP, yet their situation in PvP was never as bad as for SWs.
It's not like noone notices they are overpowered, the thing is - everyone has one, following the herd, so noone "really" complains. Besides some mod tended to close the threads about CWs nerfs regularily while those TR ones persisted which begged many questions until recently I learnt CW is main of many devs including Panderus And their never ending reign over Neverwinter was not the only main reason I started pureply despising CWs but also all those insults and mockery I had on my PvE TR. Very often it was either "We don't need another pet" or "Oh you helped us to get to the last boss in CN, now get kicked". That's how many rogues from permastealth channel started soloing the dungeons, I guess.
Now as they ARE gettingstronger, I got annoyed seeing the class I chose to counter them getting nerfed. AGAIN, like I did not have enough on my ****ing TR already which I chose to abandon waiting for the change for like 4 mods. Oh and of course it's very true, dominate wizards never had their downfall in Neverwinter. NEVER
Yeah I completely gave up my SW, it's a hopeless cause.
I play CW main nowadays, the results is much more interesting than the hopeless cause SW is. No class can really counter me, its really just that good
I am the monk, martial skill transcends the battlefield
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
What can I say, it looks like either souls don't go for much these days, or that the SW didn't bother to read the fine print on their pact with Belial
(And yes, I do play one though I have just started on the game, level 11)
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I also think when armoured ruffians carrying a 7' long and 2' wide metallic weapon can outrun a horse, the term "armour" pretty much doesn' mean anything except maybe point to a particular shiny apparel.
Maybe the lame white quality horses. (I mean lame as in the horse has been lamed.)
A two for one pizza ? P
Fair enough, but they are not melee combatants, so I'd assume their leather would not be that much more substantial than the CWs cloth.
I complained about the GWFs out-tanking GFs with their scale as well, so you are barking up the wrong tree.
Tell DEV's that, and give them e record"TR" is there any other class with more survivability than tr?? is there any other class that can compete with then in dps??
Just don't be the typical 'harrowstorm + killing flame' type of SW with mainly power and a Vorpal. Test around a bit more.. when built right the SW actually is a strong class in PvP, it just depends on how -you- play it.
You sound like a 50-60k HP SW soulbinder and what not, I've done that. It's not the problem here, SWs have little choice when it comes to powers because half of them sucks, hard. SWs have less survival then dodge classes because you're a huge target for things like SE, LB and Ice knife, the attacker is guaranteed to hit. And you don't win a fight starting at 20% hp. SWs also have ridiculously long cast times on the only two things that have control aspects, not only being two clicks to activate but also in really clumsy slow animation.
You can be a good warlock if ur a very good player and well geared. But put the same gear and skill on a CW and ur twice as strong. THAT is the problem at hand, not that it's 'impossible' to be good, it's just a less effective class than everything else in pvp.. except GFs and GWFs which devs truely hate too, I feel your pain guys
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SW is currently the weakest class in PvP, it's been said and proved many times. And if you got killed on your geared CW/TR/HR by an equally geared SW then maybe it's time for you to actually start thinking rather than just smashing buttons relying on broken mechanics. We are not any better in PvE either without TT, I think I'd even say we are something similar to pre m2 GWFs. We do something any class does way better. So what is the point of such a waste? Not going to be any better in m6 too.
It's when you see players in a match that reached Perfomance cap with their gear and then skill/class balance kicks in.
WTB Class Reroll please
Please dont complain about the damage SWs get from other classes. Believe me, with my DC at 39k live and about 50% dr i often enough get oneshottet, or nearly death with the first hit of a tr oder cw, wich should be impossible. So its not the class getting killed, more the class of the attacker wich makes the difference.
The dps of a sw is absolutly ok in pvp. Let me says this as a dc wich is allways first target in any pvp. Sws can by far throw in more constant damage than most other classes.
They have to revamp the shift ability, the long animations and they should give you one more cc or a better defensive.
Let the warlock do his job he melts faster than the most other classes. But if he gets targetet ... this is the problem, not your dps !
WTB Class Reroll please
Play a warlock, and you'll notice that EVERY rogue will ALWAYS be on your ***. ALWAYS, because why? you CAN'T avoid lashing blades, you will ALWAYS lose alot of your life bar everytime someone throws lashing blade or shocking execution on you. then 6 seconds later shadow of demise kicks in and you're dead. You could not do ANYTHING about that. You might be the BEST player in the world with 1 million GS, find an equally geared rogue that knows how to play, you're going to eat SE + Lashing blade + demise = dead, nothing you can do about it, you have 6 seconds of life to play between the time it procs and the rogue is probably using his 4 dodges of invincibility while your clock is ticking... and you're dead. The rogue is laughing and u have another death to your count. You don't know what it's like to be a SW in pvp if you haven't played one, cause dps DCs are uber in pvp and they can dodge attacks.
I'm talking about rogues, but it's also true for alot more than that like CW burst dps chains, ice knives ... the list goes on
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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I hate TRs in pvp for their ability to one shot/daze me but of the classes I've played (tr,gwf,gf, cw,sw) sw, is my favorite for attacking TRs. Simply because we have two encounters that follow TRs in stealth and can lay enough dps on them to limit their stealth bar. Also, it is fairly squishy class that is game for being one shotted themselves often, through killing flames.
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atm i normally take orbs+KF+HS because i don´t like DT in PVP
but the moment i can see the TR , after he ate some orbs, and start casting he´s 1. invisible again or 2. takes my HS but ... aleast then he´s invisibel, i can´t tab him.. no cc
or he just runs away if he decides to do so, no shadow slip can follow that speed, redicules
all in all we have possibilities to counter TR´s , more than other classes have i think
but in the end: perma daze and permastealth has to get fixed since these are absolute imbalanced possibilities in PVP
A view over the edge is never a bad thing. I guess every feels he is primary target against a TR. Simply because good equiped TRs kill so fast that you often dont see who killed you. All i said that all defense of any class is worthless when another class is able to simply ignore it.
Again, you can insert any class, they all have the same problems with TRs. And i play a warlock to. Just believe me, first hit goes mostly on the DC. Simply because a non attacked healer can heal up everyone. I do the same when i have DCs in the opposite team. Exept the DDs have that low GS that they will be dead before the DC can heal them.
That isn't just a SW problem though.
My GF has 54k HP, 47% DR, 25% Deflec and 26% Tenacity in PVP and TRs with 4k less GS than me can one shot me.
There is a video on these very forums of a 16k TR one-shotting a 24k GWF through Unstoppable.
TRs are destroying every class you put in front of it.
i don´t know
No, my wizard definitly doesn't. I dodge 95% of shocking executions because I can dodge. Which was the point. and as soon as said TR hits me from stealth I chain stun him and kill him in a rotation, problem solved. Most TRs don't resist my CW combos (Because no I don't do my chain during ITC lol)
Yes clerics is usually a high priority in pvp because it just is, healers are always seen as target no 1 in all MMOs, but that was not my point though, being simply that because warlocks cannot dodge rogues have a wicked pleasure of targetting you with high damage strikes that other people can dodge, because you can't. (This is true for GF and GWF as well)
I feel your pain, GWF and GF are in the same boat as SW, both these classes need a buff because none of these 3 classes are really competitive in terms of 'class potential'. Point being, put a good player of 24k TR or 24k GF and notice the difference in the end result. This is what I mean by 'class potential', the TR will contribute much more than the GF can in most games.
However well played DPS DCs, CWs and HRs can destroy rogues (the good ones), the other classes have ridiculous odds of losing every time, repeatedly.
Back to the point.. SWs/GF/GWF all need some buffs for pvp, I don't deny the fighter classes. However this thread is for the SWs because I'm not familiar enough with GWF and GFs to really contribute to any discussion other than basic knowledge
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Let's see if the new spells will do something for pvp locks in m6...
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You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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CW haters, the one developing hatred to this ever broken and dominating class since beta.
Yup, couldn't agree more. I think people can't see it because there's SO MANY BAD CWs out there that have 20k hp and die in two hits. I just came to realize over the past couple weeks CWs never been low rated, they're like a pseudo nerf class that wasnt ever really nerfed at all, they just keep getting stronger slowly.
Mod 5 spell storm nerf? Np, buff renegade to make it the best pvp build with crazy buffs and some regen built off your weapon damage. If that's a nerf I'll be had, lmao.
Unlike SW, who was never really GOOD in pvp to begin with, CWs just always been that good in pvp if oyu know how to play it.
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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It's not like noone notices they are overpowered, the thing is - everyone has one, following the herd, so noone "really" complains. Besides some mod tended to close the threads about CWs nerfs regularily while those TR ones persisted which begged many questions until recently I learnt CW is main of many devs including Panderus
Now as they ARE gettingstronger, I got annoyed seeing the class I chose to counter them getting nerfed. AGAIN, like I did not have enough on my ****ing TR already which I chose to abandon waiting for the change for like 4 mods. Oh and of course it's very true, dominate wizards never had their downfall in Neverwinter. NEVER
WTB Class Reroll please
Well I played when the game came out for a couple weeks then stopped and came back in mod 4 early mod 4, so I'm not completely aware of the situation I'm just following what my friends and guildies are saying and what I've seen since mod 4, and that's CWs are beast.
And tbh, I can't think of an equally geared rogue(or any other class) that can 1v1 beat me reliably on my CW, my setup is made precisely to stop these rogues because I know there's 4 of them every match, as soon as ur not ITC/Stealthed (you attack me and I can see you now so I can start my dps chain). Roots are still bugged, I'm just gunna icy shard trough your dodges, root you and start my chain from there. This is how rangers don't beat my CW, I know I can't dodge their roots, and ranger's dps comes from roots, so I just stand there and root them first then chain them freeze and kill.
I think CWs is the class that requires the most skill and the good build to play well, but if you have that you're pretty much unstoppable. because no amount of skill will make a 20k HP CW with <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> power good in pvp, that is all. Then again, this is just my opinion
Yeah I completely gave up my SW, it's a hopeless cause.
I play CW main nowadays, the results is much more interesting than the hopeless cause SW is. No class can really counter me, its really just that good
It is my my life style, my doctrine and my state of mind,
You fight well, but without focus and discipline, you will fall.
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(And yes, I do play one though I have just started on the game, level 11)