Ofc 10k GS player has proper build and lots of skill to compete in PvE. /sarcasm
If a player has 10k GS, then he has no skill nor understanding of the game. 10k GS player should be restricted from high end PvE and PvP content. There's not a single reason to allow such players to participate in top tier dungeons! We already have enough starting content. Players must play some time before joining competition. Anyone can reach 12k GS after playing a week or two.
12k GS requirement MINIMUM (13k tbh).
it's really depressing that people think this way
"10k gs = no skill/no understanding" what the fug?
that is a completely false association
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luxarkMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
But there is )) Proces for DD key are equal to amount of AD you can refine after opening any t2 chest sfter boss.
Even then just think about it. Say you need about ~30 Minutes per Dungeon, because your not getting rushed, and also only need-runs. This would take you at least 4 or 5 hours. Also there is waiting time for dungeon entry depending on the class, so make it 6 to 7 hours. I assure you, average playing time is a lot lower.
And iam not even counting stuff like leavers, wipes and waiting times inside the actual dungeon in.
There is no way to get the a whole T2-Gear withhout AD in a day withhout luck and if you do not get rushed through the dungeons by a well geared party.
"Without luck", what a delightfully meaningless body-swerve. Yes, sometimes you need to repeat yourself (for some reason, it always seem to be Karrundax, sigh), but no-one owes you the item you want first time. However, it's really not hard. GS inflation means that your average group steamrolls through T2 these days, it's harder to find one that can't.
more lagging bosses with 0.0001% chance for drops for guardian fighters with low damage ?
seriously ?...i'm not interested
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nd how do you know if that 10k GS player you just kicked does not have 10 other 18k GS Characters?
If a player has a few 18k GS characters and joins queue with char of 10k GS he's either troll or having fun. I don't have multiple 18k GS characters, but even tho I have enough AD and other resources stacked to equip fresh lvl 60 up to 13k GS instantly.
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luxarkMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
"Without luck", what a delightfully meaningless body-swerve. Yes, sometimes you need to repeat yourself (for some reason, it always seem to be Karrundax, sigh), but no-one owes you the item you want first time. However, it's really not hard. GS inflation means that your average group steamrolls through T2 these days, it's harder to find one that can't.
I tried to explain, why it is unrealistic to assume that everyone (especially new players) can get full t2 gear in one day just one posting above yours.
I tried to explain, why it is unrealistic to assume that everyone (especially new players) can get full t2 gear in one day just one posting above yours.
I will have to warn people who have done that recently on their first 60s that they simply don't exist. Thanks for the heads-up, though I fear that they will take the news badly.
I'm sorry, but that's total nonsense. There is no reason why you need to struggle at all, new or seasoned.
My SW was decked out in blues and junk enchants, went straight into t2, and was in full T2 with minimal effort the day after. Shortly after, drake seals bought a passable offhand and mainhand (rather than paying the stupid AH prices for brand new warlock gear. Price of T2 set and weapons? Nothing, it was actually profitable. It's not because I'm particularly talented, others walk the same path without much effort, even on their first character, these days. We're not in beta any more, Toto.
Struggle to get a full t1 set? Possibly, but only because so many people skip T1 unless they have quests/cheevs to clear, so it can be hard to find a group.
I can only say that your game experience differs significantly from mine.
Also, I said a full T1 set fully decked out in R6 enchants. Getting the T1 set itself is one thing, although depending on the amount of time available for gaming per day this could take significantly longer than you suggest; grinding the AD/RP to get a full set of R6s when you will hit 60 with nothing more than R4s is something else altogether.
I can only say that your game experience differs significantly from mine.
Also, I said a full T1 set fully decked out in R6 enchants. Getting the T1 set itself is one thing, although depending on the amount of time available for gaming per day this could take significantly longer than you suggest; grinding the AD/RP to get a full set of R6s when you will hit 60 with nothing more than R4s is something else altogether.
Yeah, I am honestly not sure on the enchants. A sensible player who has been hoarding leadership AD and who watches the AH like a hawk would have an easier time than someone just freewhiling like I did. I know some horrifyingly organised people who made a bunch of invocation alts during the double XP weekend recently, to fund their first character- a little scary.
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luxarkMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 1Arc User
I will have to warn people who have done that recently on their first 60s that they simply don't exist. Thanks for the heads-up, though I fear that they will take the news badly.
You really should.
Alternatively you could actually think about what i wrote and think about what you asserted again. You know, new player, no rushing, no 8+ hours of playtime per day, etc.
Of course, it might be possible that someone managed it somehow, but i suppose this is incredible rare and far away from the norm.
I feel this is to much of a # of first time raid, how about 10 people or 15? Most of us have a real hard time doing dragons that don't move when its 25 people and it is not the fault of our pc's or internet connections. Hell on the last live stream i played one Dev (i think he was a dev) had a problem being in game and it was not his PC. I would imagine the strain on the server with 25 people in one place would be great if its giving 10 players a problem now (domination map).
Game has been out for how long? 10k GS(from OP) is nothing to have. New players/toons should have plenty of content to work through before actually playing the very end game content. 1 years worth. If anything 10k GS is about right for a 1st time every 25man event. Only because it's a new thing being added to the game. The requirement is rather low for any player who has been playing for a while. Which is majority of the player base?
"10k gs = no skill/no understanding" what the fug?
that is a completely false association
No it's true. Back when I was 10k I was really bad. I could barely complete CN without being carried and i was unable to finish temple of the spider or even karrundax. And at that time 10k was harder to reach. Now 10k means it's your first char with blue gear and the freebie artifact. With less than 40k ADs spent on the AH (if you buy arcane overseer gear for your wizard for instance), which is merely two days of refining you're 13k effortlessly.
Saying that some people don't need at least 2-3 months to learn how to play the game is delusional. And IMO there should be no room for such people in an EPIC raid. If they make a normal version of it I couldn't care less, they can make Tiamat's aoes hugs and rainbows for all I care. In normal. Epic should be a gear/skill check.
I ignored the minimum requirement, but since some people seem to be defending it. Do you really think someone with low gear should be able to kill tiamat a 5 headed dragon goddess before they have the requirements to beat lostmauth? If you think you deserve end game content (if you call it that) at a basic level without even putting much effort into your character then you're kind of entitled. 10ks should get wrecked to the point they're useless just like 10k isnt enough for epic dread vault. There are people with twice that gs and it's only increasing and so we need content to scale that high. That means not having a whole raid ruined by someone who thinks they're good enough but isn't nearly there yet.
Seriously, 10k gs is not a lot compared to the days there were no boons and artifact equipment. In those days it was only a reasonable amount too, now it's just not much. Plus if you really want to join in the raid, you have more than enough time to gear yourselves up to 12/13k or so ie something a little more respectable. Yes judging by gs is too prelevant, but it's not completely useless. That's like saying, man I can do CN at level 5 because I haz skillz. Skillz>gs don't judge me!!!11
I think a 25-person raid of all 10k's trying to kill Tiamat ought to, more than likely, fail. But they ought to have the chance to attempt it if they so wish.
I have no problem with having a 25-person raid composed of all sorts of players. To be honest, I'd rather have a 10k GF who knows how to use a shield, instead of an 19k CW glass cannon who gets one-shot by trash mobs.
To be honest, I'd rather have a 10k GF who knows how to use a shield, instead of an 19k CW glass cannon who gets one-shot by trash mobs.
I'd rather have neither unless the CW is just making mistakes which I guess happens. Unless the raid is pipsqueak (which would be bad), joining as 10k gs is just disrespecful. If it were CN and the rest of the group was decent enough then it'd be fine but it's not, CN is old and out of date (though it wasn't really designed well with the add overload which at the time was handled by singing adds off). If you genuinely have skill, you won't have any difficulty actually getting gear. I mean really, should people be getting artifact items before they even get a full armour set?
I really think that the 10k gs requirement was temporarily assigned to the raid, because it has not been announced yet but if i remember LOL and ESOT were and we were asked to test them
Did it ever occur to you guys that running the raid with 10k gs might be the only way to make it at least a bit challenging?
Because it most likely will be a gloryfied HE.
So it's better to design content to be challenging by running with people with low gear than actually designing it to scale with the inflated gs they added to the game? Looks like we don't need to aim for better gear after all.
I really think that the 10k gs requirement was temporarily assigned to the raid, because it has not been announced yet but if i remember LOL and ESOT were and we were asked to test them
Possible. I tihnk they actually reduced kessels retreat too. Though iirc that was because people had trouble getting in and the reduced the gs requirement completely ignoring the fact that the black ice requirement was the thing that had an issue and they left it broken since after it went live. Hence I'm not even gonna bother reporting issues for the most part.
So it's better to design content to be challenging by running with people with low gear than actually designing it to scale with the inflated gs they added to the game? Looks like we don't need to aim for better gear after all.
I'm not saying it should be like this, I'm saying it is what we'll probably get. People were asking for a more challenging content since a while and what did we get so far?
I'm not saying it should be like this, I'm saying it is what we'll probably get. People were asking for a more challenging content since a while and what did we get so far?
More dailies.
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mortahlMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 8Arc User
The only time I get lag doing dragon encounters is when a GF is using knight's valor. Other than that there's no real issue with visual effects but I have a gaming rig so idk.
I'm sorry. I'm the GF running knight's valor and I'm on a laptop; and not a gaming laptop either. I definitely don't know what shaders are.
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it's really depressing that people think this way
"10k gs = no skill/no understanding" what the fug?
that is a completely false association
Even then just think about it. Say you need about ~30 Minutes per Dungeon, because your not getting rushed, and also only need-runs. This would take you at least 4 or 5 hours. Also there is waiting time for dungeon entry depending on the class, so make it 6 to 7 hours. I assure you, average playing time is a lot lower.
And iam not even counting stuff like leavers, wipes and waiting times inside the actual dungeon in.
"Without luck", what a delightfully meaningless body-swerve. Yes, sometimes you need to repeat yourself (for some reason, it always seem to be Karrundax, sigh), but no-one owes you the item you want first time. However, it's really not hard. GS inflation means that your average group steamrolls through T2 these days, it's harder to find one that can't.
seriously ?...i'm not interested
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- Forsaken World - open beta
- BOI - open beta
- Star Trek Online - ftp January, 2012 and rank 14 STO Wiki contributor
- Neverwinter open beta June, 2013
Daily Foundry "Canyon of the Dead" ( NW-DBPJYKMRE ) - dungeon
If a player has a few 18k GS characters and joins queue with char of 10k GS he's either troll or having fun. I don't have multiple 18k GS characters, but even tho I have enough AD and other resources stacked to equip fresh lvl 60 up to 13k GS instantly.
I tried to explain, why it is unrealistic to assume that everyone (especially new players) can get full t2 gear in one day just one posting above yours.
But I don't do this and IMO it is a little bit much to suggest that this ought to be considered "normal practice".
I will have to warn people who have done that recently on their first 60s that they simply don't exist. Thanks for the heads-up, though I fear that they will take the news badly.
Also, I said a full T1 set fully decked out in R6 enchants. Getting the T1 set itself is one thing, although depending on the amount of time available for gaming per day this could take significantly longer than you suggest; grinding the AD/RP to get a full set of R6s when you will hit 60 with nothing more than R4s is something else altogether.
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Yeah, I am honestly not sure on the enchants. A sensible player who has been hoarding leadership AD and who watches the AH like a hawk would have an easier time than someone just freewhiling like I did. I know some horrifyingly organised people who made a bunch of invocation alts during the double XP weekend recently, to fund their first character- a little scary.
You really should.
Alternatively you could actually think about what i wrote and think about what you asserted again. You know, new player, no rushing, no 8+ hours of playtime per day, etc.
Of course, it might be possible that someone managed it somehow, but i suppose this is incredible rare and far away from the norm.
read this must-have-high-gearscore-bull****
now have headache.
No it's true. Back when I was 10k I was really bad. I could barely complete CN without being carried and i was unable to finish temple of the spider or even karrundax. And at that time 10k was harder to reach. Now 10k means it's your first char with blue gear and the freebie artifact. With less than 40k ADs spent on the AH (if you buy arcane overseer gear for your wizard for instance), which is merely two days of refining you're 13k effortlessly.
Saying that some people don't need at least 2-3 months to learn how to play the game is delusional. And IMO there should be no room for such people in an EPIC raid. If they make a normal version of it I couldn't care less, they can make Tiamat's aoes hugs and rainbows for all I care. In normal. Epic should be a gear/skill check.
this is clearly a lie, dio aka "God" has always been a l33t player
Seriously, 10k gs is not a lot compared to the days there were no boons and artifact equipment. In those days it was only a reasonable amount too, now it's just not much. Plus if you really want to join in the raid, you have more than enough time to gear yourselves up to 12/13k or so ie something a little more respectable. Yes judging by gs is too prelevant, but it's not completely useless. That's like saying, man I can do CN at level 5 because I haz skillz. Skillz>gs don't judge me!!!11
I have no problem with having a 25-person raid composed of all sorts of players. To be honest, I'd rather have a 10k GF who knows how to use a shield, instead of an 19k CW glass cannon who gets one-shot by trash mobs.
setting it to some 15k would be ok since in t3 sets ppl should be over 25k gs
I'd rather have neither unless the CW is just making mistakes which I guess happens. Unless the raid is pipsqueak (which would be bad), joining as 10k gs is just disrespecful. If it were CN and the rest of the group was decent enough then it'd be fine but it's not, CN is old and out of date (though it wasn't really designed well with the add overload which at the time was handled by singing adds off). If you genuinely have skill, you won't have any difficulty actually getting gear. I mean really, should people be getting artifact items before they even get a full armour set?
Because it most likely will be a gloryfied HE.
So it's better to design content to be challenging by running with people with low gear than actually designing it to scale with the inflated gs they added to the game? Looks like we don't need to aim for better gear after all.
Possible. I tihnk they actually reduced kessels retreat too. Though iirc that was because people had trouble getting in and the reduced the gs requirement completely ignoring the fact that the black ice requirement was the thing that had an issue and they left it broken since after it went live. Hence I'm not even gonna bother reporting issues for the most part.
I'm not saying it should be like this, I'm saying it is what we'll probably get. People were asking for a more challenging content since a while and what did we get so far?
More dailies.
I'm sorry. I'm the GF running knight's valor and I'm on a laptop; and not a gaming laptop either. I definitely don't know what shaders are.