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abecassis
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Can you please, for the love of carpal tunnel, make so that we can stack more then 5 item in refining artifacts/belts/weapons.
Getting the items is a pain enough. We have to fight RNG, waiting times and all those things. When we finally get them, i dont know whats worse. Refining them or actually get them..
Can you please make an option so we can put stacks of peridots, rank4s,3s,2s whatver, just allow us to put stacks in the refinement window and not 1 by 1. It is so time consuming, and not the fun kind. You stand there feeling stupid how slowly but steadily your money is disappearing into this black hole of never ending artifact grind that will eventually be traded out for another next module.
So please, show some decency, show some love to your players. Let us put stacks in the refinement window
Getting the items is a pain enough. We have to fight RNG, waiting times and all those things. When we finally get them, i dont know whats worse. Refining them or actually get them..
Can you please make an option so we can put stacks of peridots, rank4s,3s,2s whatver, just allow us to put stacks in the refinement window and not 1 by 1. It is so time consuming, and not the fun kind. You stand there feeling stupid how slowly but steadily your money is disappearing into this black hole of never ending artifact grind that will eventually be traded out for another next module.
So please, show some decency, show some love to your players. Let us put stacks in the refinement window
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What an excellent suggestion!
What has botter to do with this ? They will sell their stacks either way. And please, the botters are at least keeping the ridiculous price on refining these items to an "OK" level.
Players are going to use the botters enchants either way. The only difference is that players will get sick of doing this the current way.
Considering the the interface is unfriendly when you don't use stacks, and it's still not friendly but more efficient to use stacks. I'd say they've done a good job at making sure botters are rewarded. But no, lets encourage bad user unfriendly design instead. That will work great.
I also refine periodically to clear out my bags and to make sure I don't have to drop in a billion things at one time.
I'm not sure how they can improve on this system now since we can refine belts and weapons with random gear. It will be difficult for the game to sort out what you want and don't want to use if an option for "fill all equipment" becomes available.
Buying a stack should be exceptional. and if it's refining only one or two stacks once in a while, you wouldn't be suffering much with the current system.
Putting 99 stacks at the norm is only asking for botters to become the main providers of refining goods. Well, it's almost the case already, but no reasons to encourage it even more.
I'm also against the OP's suggestion.
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The refinement system is basically fine the way it is. It could use a few tweaks here and there, but not for permitting stacks of enchants to be refined all at once.
You are taking a shortcut from the usual leveling process by using stacks of enchants (stacks mostly generated by botters that shouldn't be in the AH in the first place, BTW). Note I didn't say "exploit" but a shortcut, because it's not an exploit.
The price you pay for using the shortcut is having to use the interface as it is intended to be used for the usual leveling process.
I know that there are just a lot of self-interested people around here (which may or may not include present company) who would like to have a 1-click button to level up all of their gear to legendary instantly. They don't want to farm, they don't want to kill dragons, they don't want to really play the game, I don't know what they really want to do. They want all legendary gear, but for what purpose? Why are they here if they don't really want to play the game?
The refinement system is also the way it is because it is one of many hooks to get you to keep playing the game. Horror of horrors, Cryptic would like people to continue playing their game after the first week of a new module! Can you imagine that? It rewards playing the game as it is intended to be played - kill a few mobs, pick up a few enchants, refine them into your stuff little by little. And *occasionally* if you sell something valuable and get a lot of AD then you can buy perhaps the occasional stack of enchants and refine something more rapidly. It's a bit of a pain for that one time but it is only an occasional inconvenience so it is eminently bearable.
And quite frankly I am a bit repulsed by the impatient mentality that wants everything RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW RIGHT NOW.
I know my opinion is in the minority on this issue, but I don't care.
Botters doesn't refine their artifacts, they just hoard up them and sell them so again how does it benefit them exactly?
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This is totally besides the point though. The product botters produce is required for the refining process EITHER WAY. They have already won because the artifacts take thousands of items to level.
So why not make things that actual players do, leveling artifacts, a little less physically painful? I acquired a stack of peridots - it doesnt matter if I gathered them myself or bought off the AH one bit - why can't I dump them all in at once? Keeping this difficult as it is will in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM hinder the botters one bit, but it sure makes actual players lives worse.
Again, if you have the materials to be able to level an artifact to legendary in your pack, then YES, you should be able to click 1 button and make it happen. Some of you are acting like the request is to actually remove the requirement to even gather the mats, and that's not what is being asked.
I would guess they want to kill 10k gs ppl in pvp...
Tired of this excuse. It doesn't even make sense. Botters automate the process of everything anyway. No "carpal tunnel" for them either way. So changing it just helps regular players.
Can't think of any downside really. Make a new rare Artifact item XP drop if you seriously need it...
Which is wrong as well. I'm not a bot and I get full stacks of refinement gems and enchants from farming with Dragon's Hoard enchants. As well as many stacks of the lower enchants that come from the leadership boxes.
Ok your right less likely that so many would be available for purchase, just like what happened with the stacks after they removed the back door old refinement command.
Well, sort of.
Sure, if there were no bots, there would be a lot fewer giant stacks of enchants on the AH. That is true.
But having a refinement interface that explicitly permits refining stacks at once is an implicit statement that the bots, who are in the main the ones generating all the stacks, represent normal gameplay. That the refining system *depends* on bots. So to explicitly allow refining of entire stacks is to implicitly endorse botting. And Cryptic isn't going to do that nor should they.
As I said I farm them myself. Because of that I don't buy stacks of them. So I don't care what is available or not. I -do- care that people keep using this lame excuse to keep a poor system in place. You don't make/keep a game user-unfriendly just because some of the people buy stuff that bots farmed.
That happens anyway. There are bots in just about every online game imaginable. Making a game user-unfriendly isn't going to stop them.
your logic is flawed on so many levels. It's like you said wasps eats pears and by growing pears you are helping to breed wasps
The refinement system as a whole benefits botters. It has nothing to do with stacks, or anything else. You need to farm thousands, if not tens of thousands of items to level your gear (no, you dont NEED to level the gear, but if its level-able, people will want to do it...sort of why these games exist). They made it easier with the dragon hoard attachment even.
Being able to refine stacks does NOTHING to help or hinder botters, it just makes the HUMAN experience less physically painful. The bots already gain max benefit from the refinement system as it stands.
Well, yes. That's not a flaw in logic, that is called 'incentives'. If you have a bunch of flowers around your house, you will attract bees. So if you don't want bees, don't grow lots of flowers around your house. Simple as that.
yes that is a flaw...
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^This. The way the new refinement system is designed means that the majority of top players are pretty much forced to use bots supply of stacks. Thankfully they did actually reduce this necessity with the release of dragon hoards so that we can farm our own stacks.
The game is for the players, and when you're hindering the players enjoyment in an attempt that tries (even though it really doesnt) to counter bots. You've gone down the wrong path.
No one is forcing you or anyone else to do anything in this game. It is each individual's choice to decide how they are going to play the game. I wish people would stop referring to themselves as helpless victims.
If you CHOOSE to use stacks of botted enchants to level up your gear, then that is your CHOICE and it is not forced upon you.
There is not a day that goes by that I don't think, "if only the devs just reversed this list in their code..."
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I am a player not a bot, and I only sell RP items when i get to 99 stack regularly. Takes about a day to get a couple stacks of peridots and maybe a stack of pearls.
The fact that it takes hours to drag and drop enough RP to get an artifact weapon/belt to Epic is stupid and very user unfriendly.
Your argument amounts to "Bots grind RP so putting that RP into your weapons should be hard."
Bots are going to stack to 99 anyways, and making refining unfriendly to players does nothing to stop that.
...and if it doesn't stop bots, then it only punishes players.
You want to stop bots, then write in some bot detection software...don't make upgrading weapons a 4 or 5 hour process AFTER you've spent days or weeks even grinding the RP/AD to get the stuff to upgrade.
Actually it's the reverse. The botters just bot refinement and could care less if it's 5 or 1000. The real people get carpel tunnel and hate the way it works.