1: Up to you, choose what you need more of, preferably hp though.
2: I prefer the crit.
3: Armor pen for sure, 200 defense is nothing.
4: regen
5: the one I would choose is 10% incoming healing. The crit would be good if you had STR belt for even more dps but healing is probably the best all round one.
Crixus, why you don't have choose in heroic path more defense instead of damage?
for example in eLOL you not die fast because the mobs oneshot and you will need more potion.
You not have less defense and die too fast in pvp because you use only damage instead defense with that path?
and if you go in pvp 3vs1 or 4vs1 you die so fast if you haven't a good party lol
Your feat: http://i.imgur.com/yfJsyvk.png
And you not use crescendo LOL?
Crixus, why you don't have choose in heroic path more defense instead of damage?
for example in eLOL you not die fast because the mobs oneshot and you will need more potion.
You not have less defense and die too fast in pvp because you use only damage instead defense with that path?
and if you go in pvp 3vs1 or 4vs1 you die so fast if you haven't a good party lol
Your feat: http://i.imgur.com/yfJsyvk.png
And you not use crescendo LOL?
Sry bro i dont get what you mean ? I have chosen some defensive feats but going full protector unless your a reflect or buff build means you will be almost useless in pvp. And i said crescendo is the main reason i chose swordmaster so where did i say i didnt use it ? o.0
Also for pvp if your in 4v1 as a gf you will lose anyway if they are equal gs. In pvp everyone can basically 1 rotation each other now so it doesn't matter much even though this build is quite defensive. I once won a 9v1 in icewind also lol and they had about 3-4 good players, it's all about timing and knowing who to hit first.
As for pve yeah i could go more defense but it's not needed since i prefer a balance and if you have skill you dont need crazy defense because you learn how to time and stuff. And I can solo the shores of tuern boss quite easily so i don't need to go full defensive.
No i don't need to potion unless a teammate runs into lots of red circles while i have KV on and no i very rarely die at all. Only if i make a stupid mistake or lag.
Yeah tact and protector is a better choice for pve but not for pvp bro and the mobs in Elol can hit for 130k i think i have seen max so even that extra defense doesn't make a difference. And like i said, it's mainly about skill instead of just making your char fully tanky just to survive when you don't need to.
Basically if you want to be just a pve player then go all defensive and buffs BUT if you want too be good at pvp too then you need dps.
i haven't seen him online, i think it is time for all of us to reconsider playing this game.
Yeah, I wanted to ask him how he fares in Mod 5. I stopped playing in September last year - just after the GFs were weakened again thanks to the KV-reflect trolls - and came back in December to find that the GF now felt pretty much like a Mod 2 & 3 GF.
PSA: You don't need to grind Spinward Rise for your Elemental artifact main hand if you have some AD lying around. You can craft it via the Tyranny of Dragon's campaign screen.
Hey Guys Just wanted to come on and post my new stats and the build I have, It's not much different but it seems to be working very well atm even against other gf's who way outgear me.
Here are my stats(while flagged for pvp). And i cant get seals of triumph so i cant get the new pvp set or my hp would be over 100k and my stats would be much hgiher....thanks for not rewarding them anymore lol
Power setup. It's the same, still seems to work best for me anyway.
And here is feats. I am still only lvl 60 and probably wont ever get to 70 lol but they are working well.
Gf seem a little too strong atm but this seems to be working well anyway. I have played only 11 games so far but have come top and got a decent k/d ratio currently 264 kills -31 deaths. I can see them probably nerfing us but incase and since i dont get on much i just wanted to share this with you all. Have fun guys
Could i trouble you for a Screenshot of your powers page? im just starting a gf today and im gonna mainly pve and im curious if this is effective at instances and holding good aggro
Could i trouble you for a Screenshot of your powers page? im just starting a gf today and im gonna mainly pve and im curious if this is effective at instances and holding good aggro
I love this build and I genuinely hope its author sticks around for awhile. That said, I think iron vanguard is a bit better in terms of survival and playing a traditional tank role in a group in pve.
Could i trouble you for a Screenshot of your powers page? im just starting a gf today and im gonna mainly pve and im curious if this is effective at instances and holding good aggro
The only powers i use are the ones i posted when i first created this thread. i change them around in different situataions but other than them i would say go with what powers you like
I havent tested the last 2 powers since im only lvl 60 but shield warriors wrath and commnders strike both seem good. I also never use cleave. not sure why i have an extra point in it lol
I love this build and I genuinely hope its author sticks around for awhile. That said, I think iron vanguard is a bit better in terms of survival and playing a traditional tank role in a group in pve.
Thanks and yeah you are right I am more leaning to the pvp side with this and now iron vanguard with more defensive stats is best for pve.
I recently exchanged dex for str and got the str belt and my pvp dmg is amazing, even better thn some other gf with much higher stats but of course i lack some utility in pve now.
I usully just use steel defence when in pvp with them support powers as steel defenmkes you unkillable and then im able to grab full aggro and still play as a support.
Thanks for this guide! Im new to the game and will be making a GF.
What would be the best race and What should be my starting stats?
Your race would depend on the style you want to play. Like I am a halfling since they have good pvp stats and the deflect/ controll resist is helpful.
The best gf races in my opinion are :
Human - they are blanced choice. They give less stats but 3 more feats.
Half orc - they have the choice of con, dex and str the 3 gf stats and they have some good dps abilites for a more dmg focused build.
dwarf - they have con and str 2 good gf stats and they have some good defensive abilites.
Halfling - they have the choice of dex and con plus some good bonuses.
Dragonborn - +2 to any 2 stats good power+ crit boost for dmg and some bonus incoming healing so another good balanced race.
Any of these races will be good and the bonus from each race is very minor compared to items and build so choose the one you prefer or what has the best type of stats for the style you want
Am currently full IV Conq with the extra 10 paragon points in the protector tree, am loving it, but this build has me wanting to make a SM GF. Tough giving up Ferocious Reaction, esp now that we can dip so far into prot tree to get 5/5 Improved Reaction. Then again, Steel Defense + Crescendo + DCsig gotta be sweet. Probably better actually. Would love to see this discussed in the mod6 context.
Again that depends on your playstyle. Con should always be maxed as possible but the other 2 you will have to decide. Read the bonuses of str and dex and see what will fit into your build/playstyle best. I currently prefer str since defelcing is really starting to diminish and the stam regen + dmg from str is great.
Am currently full IV Conq with the extra 10 paragon points in the protector tree, am loving it, but this build has me wanting to make a SM GF. Tough giving up Ferocious Reaction, esp now that we can dip so far into prot tree to get 5/5 Improved Reaction. Then again, Steel Defense + Crescendo + DCsig gotta be sweet. Probably better actually. Would love to see this discussed in the mod6 context.
To be honest i havent really tested much of IV this mod so im not sure how much it has improved. And atm this build is more for pvp, it worked well in pve last mod but now monsters dmg is too much so you need a defensive build not offence for pve
But swordmaster is still great and a defensive swordmaster build works extremly well and steel defence is probably the main reason
hey crixus i am currently debating if i should keep lvling my GWF which is at lvl 32, or rerolling a GF, can you tell me how GF currently are in mod 6 at high end contents? are they viable, cuz i have been reading around the forum that they were not need, but i get the feeling that is different in mod6 since the mobs and bosses hits a lot more and some times 1 shotting you, i have always been the tanking guy at wow, so i wanted to know some opinion from a maxed lvl guy that have been playing end game contents
hey crixus i am currently debating if i should keep lvling my GWF which is at lvl 32, or rerolling a GF, can you tell me how GF currently are in mod 6 at high end contents? are they viable, cuz i have been reading around the forum that they were not need, but i get the feeling that is different in mod6 since the mobs and bosses hits a lot more and some times 1 shotting you, i have always been the tanking guy at wow, so i wanted to know some opinion from a maxed lvl guy that have been playing end game contents
I am sorry I am not the best person to ask that. I have done very minimal pve this mod since I find the grinding boring. Gf work well in pvp but I have changed my spec to a pvp build and staying away from the pve content atm
I'm sure there will be some gf pve builds around it might just take a little while for people to test skills and whats best.
Good luck with your gwf or gf if you choose to make one
lol thanks for the quick reply, i have been only playing for about 4 days, and i have been breaking my head deciding quick to pick
Yeah i know the feeling lol but i wouldnt base your char on whats best right now. all classes go through changes of being the best and sometimes the worst. Just pick the class you find most fun
To be honest i havent really tested much of IV this mod so im not sure how much it has improved. And atm this build is more for pvp, it worked well in pve last mod but now monsters dmg is too much so you need a defensive build not offence for pve
But swordmaster is still great and a defensive swordmaster build works extremly well and steel defence is probably the main reason
I pretty much only play pvp also. Will eventually have to grind for the artifact weapons but am in no rush to get to level 70. Today kind of convinced me to double down on iv conq. I really want to see people talk about this stuff but things are understandably hush given how severely and often this main battle tank class is hit with the nerf bat when ranged pewpewers and stealthy backstabbers complain about an op build.
lvl 60-69 pvp shouldnt even be discused because of broken lvl scaling. At lvl 70 everyone is much more tanky and dmg is also reduced. No more oneshots, no more 24k hp ppl. So have fun till it lasts.
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I am only up to 3 atm but my choices would be:
1: Up to you, choose what you need more of, preferably hp though.
2: I prefer the crit.
3: Armor pen for sure, 200 defense is nothing.
4: regen
5: the one I would choose is 10% incoming healing. The crit would be good if you had STR belt for even more dps but healing is probably the best all round one.
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for example in eLOL you not die fast because the mobs oneshot and you will need more potion.
You not have less defense and die too fast in pvp because you use only damage instead defense with that path?
and if you go in pvp 3vs1 or 4vs1 you die so fast if you haven't a good party lol
Your feat: http://i.imgur.com/yfJsyvk.png
And you not use crescendo
Sry bro i dont get what you mean ? I have chosen some defensive feats but going full protector unless your a reflect or buff build means you will be almost useless in pvp. And i said crescendo is the main reason i chose swordmaster so where did i say i didnt use it ? o.0
Also for pvp if your in 4v1 as a gf you will lose anyway if they are equal gs. In pvp everyone can basically 1 rotation each other now so it doesn't matter much even though this build is quite defensive. I once won a 9v1 in icewind also lol and they had about 3-4 good players, it's all about timing and knowing who to hit first.
As for pve yeah i could go more defense but it's not needed since i prefer a balance and if you have skill you dont need crazy defense because you learn how to time and stuff. And I can solo the shores of tuern boss quite easily so i don't need to go full defensive.
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i tell you because the mobs oneshot there xD
And for info isn't best tactician?
I've choose these feat:
http://nwcalc.com/gf?b=cn4:13ydj4:13ydj4,13k3i65:100000:100000:100000&h=0&p=ivn
Are good or i can't make your score in pvp now because i have more defense
No i don't need to potion unless a teammate runs into lots of red circles while i have KV on and no i very rarely die at all. Only if i make a stupid mistake or lag.
Yeah tact and protector is a better choice for pve but not for pvp bro and the mobs in Elol can hit for 130k i think i have seen max so even that extra defense doesn't make a difference. And like i said, it's mainly about skill instead of just making your char fully tanky just to survive when you don't need to.
Basically if you want to be just a pve player then go all defensive and buffs BUT if you want too be good at pvp too then you need dps.
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Very interesting guide. But is it updated to mod 5?
Yeah, I wanted to ask him how he fares in Mod 5. I stopped playing in September last year - just after the GFs were weakened again thanks to the KV-reflect trolls - and came back in December to find that the GF now felt pretty much like a Mod 2 & 3 GF.
Here are my stats(while flagged for pvp). And i cant get seals of triumph so i cant get the new pvp set or my hp would be over 100k and my stats would be much hgiher....thanks for not rewarding them anymore lol
Power setup. It's the same, still seems to work best for me anyway.
And here is feats. I am still only lvl 60 and probably wont ever get to 70 lol but they are working well.
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Dread ring
Icewind
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pvp
Gf seem a little too strong atm but this seems to be working well anyway. I have played only 11 games so far but have come top and got a decent k/d ratio currently 264 kills -31 deaths. I can see them probably nerfing us but incase and since i dont get on much i just wanted to share this with you all. Have fun guys
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I love this build and I genuinely hope its author sticks around for awhile. That said, I think iron vanguard is a bit better in terms of survival and playing a traditional tank role in a group in pve.
The only powers i use are the ones i posted when i first created this thread. i change them around in different situataions but other than them i would say go with what powers you like
I havent tested the last 2 powers since im only lvl 60 but shield warriors wrath and commnders strike both seem good. I also never use cleave. not sure why i have an extra point in it lol
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Thanks and yeah you are right I am more leaning to the pvp side with this and now iron vanguard with more defensive stats is best for pve.
I recently exchanged dex for str and got the str belt and my pvp dmg is amazing, even better thn some other gf with much higher stats but of course i lack some utility in pve now.
I usully just use steel defence when in pvp with them support powers as steel defenmkes you unkillable and then im able to grab full aggro and still play as a support.
[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
What would be the best race and What should be my starting stats?
Your race would depend on the style you want to play. Like I am a halfling since they have good pvp stats and the deflect/ controll resist is helpful.
The best gf races in my opinion are :
Human - they are blanced choice. They give less stats but 3 more feats.
Half orc - they have the choice of con, dex and str the 3 gf stats and they have some good dps abilites for a more dmg focused build.
dwarf - they have con and str 2 good gf stats and they have some good defensive abilites.
Halfling - they have the choice of dex and con plus some good bonuses.
Dragonborn - +2 to any 2 stats good power+ crit boost for dmg and some bonus incoming healing so another good balanced race.
Any of these races will be good and the bonus from each race is very minor compared to items and build so choose the one you prefer or what has the best type of stats for the style you want
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I use swordmaster because the daily is amazing for pvp and steel defence can make you unkillable in pve
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Again that depends on your playstyle. Con should always be maxed as possible but the other 2 you will have to decide. Read the bonuses of str and dex and see what will fit into your build/playstyle best. I currently prefer str since defelcing is really starting to diminish and the stam regen + dmg from str is great.
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To be honest i havent really tested much of IV this mod so im not sure how much it has improved. And atm this build is more for pvp, it worked well in pve last mod but now monsters dmg is too much so you need a defensive build not offence for pve
But swordmaster is still great and a defensive swordmaster build works extremly well and steel defence is probably the main reason
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I am sorry I am not the best person to ask that. I have done very minimal pve this mod since I find the grinding boring. Gf work well in pvp but I have changed my spec to a pvp build and staying away from the pve content atm
I'm sure there will be some gf pve builds around it might just take a little while for people to test skills and whats best.
Good luck with your gwf or gf if you choose to make one
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Yeah i know the feeling lol but i wouldnt base your char on whats best right now. all classes go through changes of being the best and sometimes the worst. Just pick the class you find most fun
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I pretty much only play pvp also. Will eventually have to grind for the artifact weapons but am in no rush to get to level 70. Today kind of convinced me to double down on iv conq. I really want to see people talk about this stuff but things are understandably hush given how severely and often this main battle tank class is hit with the nerf bat when ranged pewpewers and stealthy backstabbers complain about an op build.
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