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toxicknight799
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I'm as free to play gamer first off, some look at that as cheap skating, well whatever, my RL takes every bit of my money I do well to scrape by with having the net to be able to even get on to play.
With that said .....
I have been playing NW since november last year, fell in love with the game. so its all i play. I have been trying my hardest to get slightly ahead in this game and lets be honest here everytime i get a few more AD ,,,,, the prices of the things i set my goals towards are once again too high ,,, for example epic armor sets ,,,, pricing ,, even for T1 is far too much for someone to even get a start on. This has caused me to give up on PVP all together because i cant compete with the perfect enchant and everything else people that got their stuff when the prices were more reasonable. so i stay PVE now except pvp dailies for AD... even leveling artifacts has gotten rediculous i used to be able to by enchantment shards for 900AD each to 1000 now its not cheaper than 13 to 1800 a peice ,, this takes a bite out of the 24K a day incomes plus if I get lucky and actually able to run a dungeon without 1. having everyone die on ya and give up or 2. get kicked out of the dungeon because once again your gear cant compete the way theirs does,,
welll,, what the hell? why the hell do you think I'm in the **** dungeon for ,, to get my **** gear. anyway. like i was saying pricing is just getting near impossible to get anywhere remotely ahead. i here people try to disclaim things by saying you arent working hard enough. if i worked any hard on this game my fingers would bleed and Id develop hand disorder from holding my mouse that **** much.
I know this sounds like Im just whining, but seriously. if you guys took the time. make a new charactor do not put anything on it ,, dont pay any rl money for the toon and dont look to your guild to save your butt ,, be a total new toon youll see what i mean.
With that said .....
I have been playing NW since november last year, fell in love with the game. so its all i play. I have been trying my hardest to get slightly ahead in this game and lets be honest here everytime i get a few more AD ,,,,, the prices of the things i set my goals towards are once again too high ,,, for example epic armor sets ,,,, pricing ,, even for T1 is far too much for someone to even get a start on. This has caused me to give up on PVP all together because i cant compete with the perfect enchant and everything else people that got their stuff when the prices were more reasonable. so i stay PVE now except pvp dailies for AD... even leveling artifacts has gotten rediculous i used to be able to by enchantment shards for 900AD each to 1000 now its not cheaper than 13 to 1800 a peice ,, this takes a bite out of the 24K a day incomes plus if I get lucky and actually able to run a dungeon without 1. having everyone die on ya and give up or 2. get kicked out of the dungeon because once again your gear cant compete the way theirs does,,
welll,, what the hell? why the hell do you think I'm in the **** dungeon for ,, to get my **** gear. anyway. like i was saying pricing is just getting near impossible to get anywhere remotely ahead. i here people try to disclaim things by saying you arent working hard enough. if i worked any hard on this game my fingers would bleed and Id develop hand disorder from holding my mouse that **** much.
I know this sounds like Im just whining, but seriously. if you guys took the time. make a new charactor do not put anything on it ,, dont pay any rl money for the toon and dont look to your guild to save your butt ,, be a total new toon youll see what i mean.
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This is due to the overall inflated price of the zen market. Its causing everything to skyrocket.... 499-500 AD Per Zen.
Its funny there used to be 5 listings of various prices before and it seems like Mod 3 came and prices have frozen at that point I have never seen any other price listed.
I used to get rank 5 stacks for 50-70K - now they are pushing 200K per stack. Unless zen prices decline then we are not going to see any price decrease in the AH.
Reminds me of Diablo 3, stuff used to cost millions then turned to billions and eventually the AH couldn't sustain itself and went Boom and they closed it down. Unless something is done soon the same thing may occur here.
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Rank 5 stones have more than doubled in price. But just wait, things will settle back down. For now, I would just SELL your enchants and shards at the inflated prices, bank the AD and then wait for the prices to drop in another 3-4 weeks.
Ok to your point of new content comes out, prices skyrocket..... Ok so we have mod 4 coming in a few months which will keep prices high.
Mod 3 comes out and everyone wants Zen to buy the new Black Ice boosters and whatever - so the Astral Diamond-to-Zen ratio jumps up to 500/1 - it becomes a Zen Seller's market. Now all that Zen that was being sold is depleted - there just isn't much Zen being sold - so the conversion rate remains at a 500/1 ratio (or close to it).
This also means there is a massive influx of Astral Diamonds into the game. People who were skating by on 500k to 1 million AD are now sitting pretty at 2 million or 5 million or more Astral Diamonds. The people selling stuff on the Auction House see this and they are pushing the prices up. People with a lot more AD than they had before are still buying these things; it's easier to pay they higher prices because they now have so much AD on hand.
This jacks the entire AH average sell price upward.
The economy will start leveling out again and possibly even go into recessive dip when an influx of Zen hits the exchange and AD are badly wanted for whatever reason. When that happens there will be an influx of AD into the exchange, the AD-to-Zen ratio will drop, AD will be moving out of the game, the Auction House pricing will begin to drop...
...and so on and so on.
I agree, pricing is crazy high. And people really just don;t place proper values on some stuff. For example: an Angel of Protection Companion selling for 1.2 million AD? After it takes a freaking YEAR to acquire? That is a highly underpriced item in the AH. But so be it.
WARNING TO ALL READERS: Coalescent wards will skyrocket. This weeks patch will confer all Blue Coalescent Wards from the trade bar vendor into BIND ON ACCOUNT - meaning they will all but diaper from the AH. So the prices for these things will go through the roof. Which will raise the pricing of high-ranking enchantments and artifacts and so on and so forth.
Yeah - it's a roller-coaster all right.
RE: Trade Bar Merchant Coalescent Wards - from these release notes:
http://nw-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?677531-Curse-of-Icewind-Dale-Preview-Patch-Notes-NW-15-20140520a-4&p=8027151&viewfull=1#post8027151
Where is states:
But Zen Market versions will remain BoE (I suspect)
In Everquest if you added up the gold value of item drops to other players in terms of the gold you got from playing nothing made sense. It was irrational how long you would have to grind cash drops to get anything decent. You had to get items to get gold at any quantity to get items from other players. The very fact that daily quest in this game make any sense in terms of player economies is amazing, as that relationship gets stressed that isn't automatically a sign of trouble. As long as players can generate items that other people want to buy from them things are okay. When that stops happening things are bad, but inflation doesn't mean that has happened. It just means the daily reward from quest and refining is less impactful, but those things never had value to other players in the first place.
The only thing that doesn't make sense here is the artificial 500 AD cap on zen. I only did a minor in economics, but I pretty sure that cap is bad. Like economist cringe bad.
In Diablo 3 what broke was the idea that you could generate drops other people would pay you significant amounts of cash for. Better drops than you could find in weeks worth of play started deflating to the point where they were vendor trash, so the economy stopped making any sense. It wasn't gold inflation.
You accuse others of having saved their AD and making smart decisions; as opposed to what exactly? What you did?
I for one see a direct correlation between your inability afford to plop down a few bucks for a game you spend hundreds of hours playing, and your subsequent inability to invest your ingames moneys wisely. There is no charity here or in life.
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It wasn't part of the original posters point, but it does significantly change how I think about this economy and something I wrote about it.
You have to consider coals used to come from invoking like water. Think about it, this is one of the most powerful refining items that we got for free consistently for months. With 6 characters I would get one per week easily.
But now you get various other refines much more readily and that's driven the price up. Its not a good reflection of the economy as a whole because of these special circumstances.
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With 20+ alts invoking daily I get one every 2 months. How exactly are new players going to manage to get anything at all?
I've personally only invested $40 into the game after having deleted my old characters and started fresh again more recently, and 600k of that went into just a mount anyway. I could've gotten by just fine without spending it, but was in the right mood and had some extra cash to blow. Right now I'm sitting at full rank 9s, 2 lv 80 and 1 lv 9x-100 artifact (once I get GWF sigil and use raven skull on it), perfect vorpal, normal armor enchant. This was after starting again I believe around the start of this year. I am also really into PvP, so I had to learn how to acquire this kind of stuff or else I wouldn't still play because gear influences PvP so much and is hard to get into without top tier stuff as you have said. I tend to only play games for PvP anymore.
I will say it is also much easier to earn AD once you start learning unconventional methods and have used some before. All are legitimate as well and require no exploitive behavior, but they do take time to find/make efficient. Top tier items are reserved for people who are in the top percents financially in the game. You can't expect to be able to get there using conventional methods that everyone else is employing.
If you're totally devoted to f2p, I'd also make a ton of alts and have them all do leadership.
Like water? They updated the wonderous cache to nerf the coal ward drop significantly last year. Now coal wards from tarmalude merchant are untradeable outside of your account. With mod 3 already spiking coal wards to nearly 450k AD, imagine where will be when the market is already dried up further in a few days. And then you have to consider what mod 4 will do to the prices in August. Cryptic has put a chokehold on AD transferable coal wards in order to make the playerbase get closer to spending $10 in the Zen shop for 1 coal ward. If it takes 16 coal wards to make a perfect enchant, that's $160.
Now, think of what else you could do with $160 in your life. Is a coal ward really worth $10? The answer will be subjective for everyone of course, but to me, I could easily get more value with $160 else where.
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Yeah... but dude, it's the preview for tomorrow's patch. That's not a whole lot of time for "subject to change" to happen.
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Understood. I brought it up as an example of how the economy in feral is always in-flux due to changes in supply and demand and that part of the is affected by policy changes (good or bad is for individual contemplation). The point I was hoping to contribute toward the OP is that the economy is always in massive flux - that some prices are always "outrageously" high and others ridiculously low (many Zen Store companions on Auction House for example).
I suppose ny primary advice to anyone would be: try not to focus on that number in your character's purse (inventory riches) and the prices you see in the Auction House, Exchange and whatnot. But rather set your goals (as the OP has) and then try to anticipate changes that happen - both official policy changes (Cryptic-generated changes) and supply/demand changes then do your best to plan for those kind of changes.
I'm not saying to "play the market" - some do, most don't. However, just in knowing that Mod 3 was coming I knew without a doubt there would be a massive inflation effect all over. And I admit: it is definitely a lot more movement than I anticipated (flabergastingly large movement!)
@OP: You are currently witnessing a first - I've been in-game since WAY back (Alpha/Closed-Beta stages) and this is the first time I can recall ever seeing such an inflation happen at this level and so rapidly. I recommend: patience. Things will even-out eventually.
I recommend people always check the "DevTracker" forum for announcements and upcoming changes. it is the fastest way to see what's going on from an official standpoint. And to see any thread a Dev is posting in - click the little pound symbol (#) at the top right of the post for context.
you can still get them as a possible drop from the 7-day invoking reward
The Silver Sword - NW-DEIPWYISA - Daily Qualified
A Relaxing Stay - NW-DEEYNZYZ9 - Daily Qualified but going to be updated
Nerfed drop rates makes that implausible now. 10 chars doing that for the past 3 months, nothing...
Good luck with that. I'll wager that hell freezes over before you get a ward from 7 day invoking without 10+ characters to invoke with.
Oh you'll get them alright... in about 10 yeeeers.
Bottom line, though, is--they weren't meant to be easy to get or drop like candy. If they were easy, everyone would have them. Forced, absolute, unwavering equality is never a good thing.
That being said, though, I do remember saying that the topic of this thread was not the proposed changes to coal wards. There's a thread for that, so let's please do get this back on its original topic, shall we?
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