All the nud cakes who fruit through dungeons will never get the TRULY end game gear thats coming out of Castle Never.
You can clearly tell if someone does not know how to play their class there, and if you cannot play your part the group fails, EPICLY.
Have fun cheesing pirates, and spiders but top tier players who can you know.. ACTUALLY PLAY dont even need that gear anymore unless you are running DD praying on a good chest item, lulzx.
If you are a TR who is not capable of soloing every boss in game (if you groups is containing adds)- (exlcuding 4th and final CN boss dracolich) then you sir are a prime of example fo someone who is not good at this game.
Not every RPG has to be an MMO but almost all f2ps have to be multiplayer. What you're describing is more of a single player RPG with an online component which is what NWN was and it was amazing. However the foundry offers no character advancement and despite our casual brethren's wasted breath MMOs are indeed about end game more specifically gear progression.
Plenty of great RPG games aren't MMOs or about end game, this just isn't one of them.
Only because people are stuck on the mindset that MMOs must be about end-game. I do agree (and many others using the foundry too) that the foundry could use a lot of improvement in regards to persistent advancement across multiple quests, along with allowing specific restrictions on character.
Not every RPG has to be an MMO but almost all f2ps have to be multiplayer. What you're describing is more of a single player RPG with an online component which is what NWN was and it was amazing. However the foundry offers no character advancement and despite our casual brethren's wasted breath MMOs are indeed about end game more specifically gear progression.
Plenty of great RPG games aren't MMOs or about end game, this just isn't one of them.
And multiplayer MMOs doesn't necesarily equate to League of Legends PUGs. This is one of those games that isn't "solo-friendly" regarding lategame content (well, it's a beta, so it doesn't actually have lots of endgame content). Need before Greed looting systems are intented to reinforce premade groups as they leave a sense of unfairness for PUGs. Also, the PvP system Neverwinter has is compley premade-oriented as the game feeds on class synergy to maximize the group's performance.
Characters: - Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer) - Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur) - Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC) - Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
That's what happens when you skip the content to rush endgame, min/max every single aspect of mechanic and feed on exploits. Then you wonder why the "game is so lame" but again, you're treating it like a grindfest or a race. Do you really need to hurry so much to get to endgame? I leveled a character fast, then switched to another to take PvE slowly and enjoy it little by little every day.
One of my friends rushed to 60 in 4 days, then whined about this game having a "lame setting and no storyline". I remember watching him play for a while when I was in his house and he literally skipped every text and didn't bother to read the quests, just kept following the glittery path. I tried to ask him what he was doing and he answered: "Eh, no idea, just picking up stuff". Then I told thim: "Well, if you don't bother to read anything, obviously you can't learn the role." "I don't care about lore, I just want to rush lvl 60". How can you critizice the setting then if you don't even bother to read it?
This game is so different to others I've seen, like Tera, Lineage 2... WoW also attracted me a couple of years ago because of the Warcraft storyline, and it did a great job with this. Then they mixed stuff for the sake of giving playable options (like Blood Elf paladins, ugh...) and that shoved me off a bit from the game.
Neverwinter has an actual story. It depicts the 4th edition FR setting accurately, tries to follow the lore and offers a lot of options for inmersion.
Obviously, if you don't even bother to read the quests, the plot, you'll think it's lame! It's just like saying that a book is bad just because it doesn't have pretty drawings or color.
Do you also eat without chewing your food or do you take your time to savor it? A game isn't any different, and besides obvious flaws, its enjoyment remains in the eye of the beholder.
/rant
That's probably the biggest issue I have with MMO's, is the "big tent" approach similar to the US Democratic Party for example. Tries to be too many things to too many people and doesn't really do any of them all that great. I can avoid completely games like Dragon Age, they are just not my bag, while NWN was my fav RPG and I loved the Greyhawk PnP conversion modules and persistent worlds with DM's.
Some people enjoy questing through MMO's, I find them incredibly dull and without a challenge that I enjoy. MMO's for me are about group content... raiding and PvP, and hopefully those areas will get some TLC.
For those that hate F2P QUALITY game. Feel free to go back to be WOW zombie and help Blizzard pay their server bills, i'm sure Blizzard would be please.
The Subscription MMO is a "sinking ship" and I'm glad it would, so...adapt or gtfo. Clearly Subscription burning your pocket while you smile (we always enjoy thing we pay for, cause? we PAY FOR IT)
Warhammer still not F2P, it's still a subscription, does it change the fact that WAR online is garbage?
therefore P2P = Quality game => False Statement.
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mutharexMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
That's what happens when you skip the content to rush endgame, min/max every single aspect of mechanic and feed on exploits. Then you wonder why the "game is so lame" but again, you're treating it like a grindfest or a race. Do you really need to hurry so much to get to endgame? I leveled a character fast, then switched to another to take PvE slowly and enjoy it little by little every day.
One of my friends rushed to 60 in 4 days, then whined about this game having a "lame setting and no storyline". I remember watching him play for a while when I was in his house and he literally skipped every text and didn't bother to read the quests, just kept following the glittery path. I tried to ask him what he was doing and he answered: "Eh, no idea, just picking up stuff". Then I told thim: "Well, if you don't bother to read anything, obviously you can't learn the role." "I don't care about lore, I just want to rush lvl 60". How can you critizice the setting then if you don't even bother to read it?
This game is so different to others I've seen, like Tera, Lineage 2... WoW also attracted me a couple of years ago because of the Warcraft storyline, and it did a great job with this. Then they mixed stuff for the sake of giving playable options (like Blood Elf paladins, ugh...) and that shoved me off a bit from the game.
Neverwinter has an actual story. It depicts the 4th edition FR setting accurately, tries to follow the lore and offers a lot of options for inmersion.
Obviously, if you don't even bother to read the quests, the plot, you'll think it's lame! It's just like saying that a book is bad just because it doesn't have pretty drawings or color.
Do you also eat without chewing your food or do you take your time to savor it? A game isn't any different, and besides obvious flaws, its enjoyment remains in the eye of the beholder.
/rant
That's unfortunately how most MMORPGs players nowadays treat the genre. They are simply playing the wrong games, they should go back to CS or CoD or whatever they come from.
It's like watching a movie skipping chapters with your remote to go straight to the end and then complain the movie had no story and there is nothing after the end!
Evolution clearly got stuck somewhere in the last 40-50 years...
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lollieMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Warhammer still not F2P, it's still a subscription, does it change the fact that WAR online is garbage?
therefore P2P = Quality game => False Statement.
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
That's unfortunately how most MMORPGs players nowadays treat the genre. They are simply playing the wrong games, they should go back to CS or CoD or whatever they come from.
It's like watching a movie skipping chapters with your remote to go straight to the end and then complain the movie had no story and there is nothing after the end!
Evolution clearly got stuck somewhere in the last 40-50 years...
You are completely correct that this is probably not my type of game. But before you assume that I am some brainless CoD kiddie, let me challenge you to learn a game that actually requires use of your brain, unlike an MMO. It's really tiring and played out to see the same groupthink over and over.
Here is one of my favorite games. Come back to me in a few years after you've learned the basics and perhaps we can get a game. If you have the patience that is, one game takes about 4-5 years to play.
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
Just because there's an element of P2W does not mean that there can't be quality. How is P2W bad for PvE?
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
He didn't say Pay to Win (P2W), but instead Pay to Play (P2P).
Read his post. :P
Characters: - Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer) - Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur) - Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC) - Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
You are completely correct that this is probably not my type of game. But before you assume that I am some brainless CoD kiddie, let me challenge you to learn a game that actually requires use of your brain, unlike an MMO. It's really tiring and played out to see the same groupthink over and over.
Here is one of my favorite games. Come back to me in a few years after you've learned the basics and perhaps we can get a game. If you have the patience that is, one game takes about 4-5 years to play.
I am actually talking in general and this is the first post written by you that I actually read, so... don't take it so personally
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
And how is "speed your astral diamond" = P2W?? this is like complain in MOBA like League of Legend, "that guy pay for boost, he get new champion/hero before I do, QQ"....really? so what if they can enjoy end-game few months before you do, how is that considered P2W, now before you argue about PVP, let's face it, all MMO PVP are broken. MMO = PVE from day 1, not PVP
Second this go for OP argument, WOW is no doubt a P2P Subscription game, but the last I check it, it has <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> loads of exploits, bugs, hacks, gold seller. So uh yea.....Again subscription =/= quality, OH! and best of all, World of Warcraft is a breeding ground for ELITISM, number 1 MMO with elitism.
I am actually talking in general and this is the first post written by you that I actually read, so... don't take it so personally
I am as well.
Not just you or your post, but the laughable sentiment that people who don't enjoy autopilot questing in MMO's are somehow intellectually inferior. I don't see what's so stimulating about clicking through some contrived and clique fantasy story.
Not just you or your post, but the laughable sentiment that people who don't enjoy autopilot questing in MMO's are somehow intellectually inferior. I don't see what's so stimulating about clicking through some contrived and clique fantasy story.
It's not about clicking through quests, it's about playing a MMO as a virtual world (for limited it might be) vs playing a MMO to rush to 'endgame' to.... well complain that there isn't anything to do
And how is "speed your astral diamond" = P2W?? this is like complain in MOBA like League of Legend, "that guy pay for boost, he get new champion/hero before I do, QQ"....really? so what if they can enjoy end-game few months before you do, how is that considered P2W, now before you argue about PVP, let's face it, all MMO PVP are broken. MMO = PVE from day 1, not PVP
Second this go for OP argument, WOW is no doubt a P2P Subscription game, but the last I check it, it has <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> loads of exploits, bugs, hacks, gold seller. So uh yea.....Again subscription =/= quality, OH! and best of all, World of Warcraft is a breeding ground for ELITISM, number 1 MMO with elitism.
LoL doesn't count because every hero is supposed to be balanced anyway, hence as useful as a cosmetic skin; buying a cosmetic skin is in no way P2W, regardless of whether froobs can get it.
It's not about clicking through quests, it's about playing a MMO as a virtual world (for limited it might be) vs playing a MMO to rush to 'endgame' to.... well complain that there isn't anything to do
That much I can agree with you on, but most people just aren't patient enough to wait in a queue or enjoy the challenge of random pugs, and just want to faceroll everything without any real sense of reward or accomplishment. The market has spoken and that seems to be what many people enjoy.
That much I can agree with you on, but most people just aren't patient enough to wait in a queue or enjoy the challenge of random pugs, and just want to faceroll everything without any real sense of reward or accomplishment. The market has spoken and that seems to be what many people enjoy.
It may be just an assumption but I believe that these kind of people aren't the ones that leave their cash in the Zen shop. The ones who buy Fashion items, Dyes and other "nickel-diming" pixels are the PvE loving "fanboys/girls" like us.
Characters: - Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer) - Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur) - Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC) - Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
It may be just an assumption but I believe that these kind of people aren't the ones that leave their cash in the Zen shop. The ones who buy Fashion items, Dyes and other "nickel-diming" pixels are the PvE loving "fanboys/girls" like us.
My guess would be both the end game rushers/competitive crowd, and the fashion and cosmetics crowd. I don't really fall into either, so I digress lol.
That much I can agree with you on, but most people just aren't patient enough to wait in a queue or enjoy the challenge of random pugs, and just want to faceroll everything without any real sense of reward or accomplishment. The market has spoken and that seems to be what many people enjoy.
True but because MMORPGs have always been a semi-niche genre, since wow made them more 'mainstream' there has been a huge influx of people that have their own idea of what a MMORPG is and how it should be played.
And I am fine with it, people play what they want, how they want.
What I am not fine with is the same people coming to the forums to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and moan because with their play style they run out of things to do....
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mutharexMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
It may be just an assumption but I believe that these kind of people aren't the ones that leave their cash in the Zen shop. The ones who buy Fashion items, Dyes and other "nickel-diming" pixels are the PvE loving "fanboys/girls" like us.
Exactly. That's why I don't think that their leaving will affect economically NWO, not as much as it would in a P2P game
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lollieMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
No, I said p2w. Referring specifically to this game. Read (and comprehend, above all else, if you can try) MY post :P
I was meaning the person you quoted and answered to in your post, not your actual post.
Warhammer still not F2P, it's still a subscription, does it change the fact that WAR online is garbage?
therefore P2P = Quality game => False Statement.
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
Unless you are meaning that FtP IS necesarily P2W, which is twisting the other poster's words and trying to make your opinion fact.
Characters: - Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer) - Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur) - Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC) - Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
I swear it seems just like yesterday that I got to roll my fresh new hero on the HoTN Headstart. I was so excited to FINALLY be able to dive right into this brilliant game that I have been so patiently waiting for.
I hit 60 right on the OBT launch day.
It was only 2 weeks later that the game would already be flooded with cheap ridiculous exploits, malicious elitists, scam artists and rmt-bots.
It kinda upsets me to see the game in this condition.
I loved this game until it went into Open Beta.
Once again I find myself believing that F2P models ruin mmo's these days.
It's like a double-edged sword;
Yes it's nice to not have to pay for it or pay a recurring subscription;
but you have to take into account all of the <my eyes are burning!> that F2P games lure in.
I'm aware it's only been a few weeks into OBT. I'm aware things will be fixed in the future.
But one can only hope most of the negative things will be taken into consideration and be diminished.
I want to love this game again; but as of right now, I'm already looking for something else to play.
It really sucks to hear myself admit that, but Cryptic has a lot of work ahead of them.
I just hope they don't get overwhelmed.
I'm in the same boat.. They decided to cater to the warcraft generation that will burn thru this game inside of 90 days and then it will be a ghost town... and us D&D fans that would have stuck around here for the long haul and now sitting here in smoking ashes with no desire to play anymore.
I logon, pray and get my coins, then log out. That's been my routine for over a week now. I have stayed logged in longer than 2 minutes. I'm hoping a miracle happens and this game can be saved but not holding my breath. Hooked on GW2 and Secret World in the mean time.
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methodforumsMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 11Arc User
Acually P2W is more like "getting content that is void for free users and gives you a decisive advantage over them".
There is NOTHING in this game that you can't get by grinding. Maybe you must grind A LOT to get some content without spending cash. But there IS the option. You can open lockboxes for free, just spend 40 k AD for it. Some of my friends got a Phoera already.
PvP in this game is so unbalanced that it doesn't matter the class you play, an undergeared CW will still beat you unless you outplay them really hard.
There is no way to "win" in PvE. Sure, you can spend 100 $ in Zen, trade it for AD and buy a Tier 1 set for your character. But would this advantage void other people from accesing the end-game? You get there before a freebie, so what? Since it's not a race, there is no prize, no exclusive feat, no epic mount for the first 100 persons who beat Castle Never that lets you fly and one-shot people in PvP.
This is rather PfC (Pay for Convenience). You pay to get things faster or deal with less bothersome tasks, which aren't as bothersome in the first place if you wish to enjoy this game for more than a month.
Agreed ^ Glad the few out there actually give this game more then 2 weeks coming right out of beta to see what potential it could have. and to see all the "200$" Hero Subs crying bout this game..u didnt pay 200$ cuz u thought this game was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. there was a point that u were like Hell ya i want that 200$ pack. and dont tell me u just going to pay 200 or 60 or even the 20$ to be like it will hold me until they <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> me off with some patch or some bug u dont like happens. no u ether paid with your own money because u liked,enjoyed,wanted to get that extra boost in some helpful items and show off the cool spider mount.
There was a point for MOST not ALL but MOST that spent money and or didint that liked this game, And or was upset about the AH AD *not a big fan of it* but it does not affect the actual game play, unless u sit at the AH all day deck out your toons and after cry because your under powered or "omg" i CW killed me... so what.
I personally HATE a few things in this game But LOVE alot and i think ALOT should and needs to be changed. but to go all crazy within the first 2 weeks saying there not doing this and this or w.e the hell everyone wants changed,Perhaps stop playing? or take a break and if you dont want to then keep playing and something good should happen in your favor.
"i paid 200$ for a pack im not just gonna stop playing" < what i have heard alot in forums... well whos fault is that? maybe if its a big deal. PLAY it for a few. maybe play it till the Official Launch As in when the word "OPEN BETA" isnt on the website. This is beta what did u expect? in every mmo there is always something or Someone that finds a loop whole to something that the Dev's didnt catch on. and abuses it. then someone opens there mouth it spreads like wild fire and before u know it u had a 5 man group abuse a glitch into half a server in a matter of mins doing the same thing to the point of the "people" that didnt catch on and get to get all that crazy T1/T2 QQ about it cuz they were not in the running of getting w.e the hell is going on.
Stick around for until the launch and if you dont like it then, thats perfectly fine. we learn from our mistake. and better to find out you dont want to waste time on a game you dont enjoy.
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For Those Who Enjoy The Game Best Of Luck And Hopefully See You All When Server Merge At The End Of The Month. * Hopefully*
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lollieMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
I was meaning the person you quoted and answered to in your post, not your actual post.
I know what YOU think you were talking about (I'm not the one who is having difficulties with reading comprehension, that would be you), but my point is that has no bearing on my response.
Acually P2W is more like "getting content that is void for free users and gives you a decisive advantage over them".
There is NOTHING in this game that you can't get by grinding.
Grinding is boring, and not how I would want to play a game. If you like to grind and waste your time and still think you're having a fun time then that's just your weird definition of fun getting in the way of having a real discussion. After this chat, I am certain you wouldn't know a good game if it hit you in the face.
p2w is selling clear advantage, plain and simple. This game does it. Have fun grinding otherwise. Me, I'd rather go play something on a more even playing field, away from the gold spammers/exploiters/p2w'ers. This game will never deal with exploiters. Whole thing is cheap and tawdry. At least real games actually withdraw exploited loots from the exploiters and even hand out bans.
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lollieMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
Lollie no one cares about what you think, especially if you go on with this tone and manners
I don't need your approval, this is a forum (place of discussion). Posts were addressed to me and I respond. If you can't handle someone having other opinions to your own you should stay away from the internet. Goodbye weakling.
Grinding is boring, and not how I would want to play a game. If you like to grind and waste your time and still think you're having a fun time then that's just your weird definition of fun getting in the way of having a real discussion. After this chat, I am certain you wouldn't know a good game if it hit you in the face.
p2w is selling clear advantage, plain and simple. This game does it. Have fun grinding otherwise. Me, I'd rather go play something on a more even playing field, away from the gold spammers/exploiters/p2w'ers. This game will never deal with exploiters. Whole thing is cheap and tawdry. At least real games actually withdraw exploited loots from the exploiters and even hand out bans.
So buying items using the DEVELOPER'S store is bad, but buying game for 60 dollars and paying 12 dollars a month with RMT sites is OK?
how?
You're never forced to buy anything, you can buy everything in the game over time using the AD into Zen conversion.
And what is wrong with stuff taking months to get? It means you have goals, which is the #1 important thing an MMO needs. Personally i dont care AT ALL about auction house or prices. I'm here to play the game, get to max level, experience the CONTENT the game has to offer and once all is experienced, you look at the longevity the game will have for you. Having hard to get goals (if you dont use real money) is a GOOD thing. If you want to pay money for it TO THE DEVELOPER, that is completely up to you and by no means do you ever buy power that is in no way obtainable by other means.
I think everyone needs to get their facts straight and stop with the ignorant P2W bull**** that this game is now known for (when it is not true).
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All the nud cakes who fruit through dungeons will never get the TRULY end game gear thats coming out of Castle Never.
You can clearly tell if someone does not know how to play their class there, and if you cannot play your part the group fails, EPICLY.
Have fun cheesing pirates, and spiders but top tier players who can you know.. ACTUALLY PLAY dont even need that gear anymore unless you are running DD praying on a good chest item, lulzx.
If you are a TR who is not capable of soloing every boss in game (if you groups is containing adds)- (exlcuding 4th and final CN boss dracolich) then you sir are a prime of example fo someone who is not good at this game.
Discussion ended.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
And multiplayer MMOs doesn't necesarily equate to League of Legends PUGs. This is one of those games that isn't "solo-friendly" regarding lategame content (well, it's a beta, so it doesn't actually have lots of endgame content). Need before Greed looting systems are intented to reinforce premade groups as they leave a sense of unfairness for PUGs. Also, the PvP system Neverwinter has is compley premade-oriented as the game feeds on class synergy to maximize the group's performance.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Check Steppenkat's Foundry Quest Reviews!
That's probably the biggest issue I have with MMO's, is the "big tent" approach similar to the US Democratic Party for example. Tries to be too many things to too many people and doesn't really do any of them all that great. I can avoid completely games like Dragon Age, they are just not my bag, while NWN was my fav RPG and I loved the Greyhawk PnP conversion modules and persistent worlds with DM's.
Some people enjoy questing through MMO's, I find them incredibly dull and without a challenge that I enjoy. MMO's for me are about group content... raiding and PvP, and hopefully those areas will get some TLC.
The Subscription MMO is a "sinking ship" and I'm glad it would, so...adapt or gtfo. Clearly Subscription burning your pocket while you smile (we always enjoy thing we pay for, cause? we PAY FOR IT)
Warhammer still not F2P, it's still a subscription, does it change the fact that WAR online is garbage?
therefore P2P = Quality game => False Statement.
That's unfortunately how most MMORPGs players nowadays treat the genre. They are simply playing the wrong games, they should go back to CS or CoD or whatever they come from.
It's like watching a movie skipping chapters with your remote to go straight to the end and then complain the movie had no story and there is nothing after the end!
Evolution clearly got stuck somewhere in the last 40-50 years...
Your logic is flawed. Also "quality" is subjective. We will never reach consensus on that term.
The point is p2w is not quality, and never will be, and that is what you are playing (and defending, for some bizarre reason...maybe you've been standing by the "speeeend your astral diamonds here for wondrous items" lady far too long).
You are completely correct that this is probably not my type of game. But before you assume that I am some brainless CoD kiddie, let me challenge you to learn a game that actually requires use of your brain, unlike an MMO. It's really tiring and played out to see the same groupthink over and over.
http://www.matrixgames.com/products/351/details/War.in.the.Pacific.-.Admiral%27s.Edition
Here is one of my favorite games. Come back to me in a few years after you've learned the basics and perhaps we can get a game. If you have the patience that is, one game takes about 4-5 years to play.
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
He didn't say Pay to Win (P2W), but instead Pay to Play (P2P).
Read his post. :P
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Check Steppenkat's Foundry Quest Reviews!
I am actually talking in general and this is the first post written by you that I actually read, so... don't take it so personally
And how is "speed your astral diamond" = P2W?? this is like complain in MOBA like League of Legend, "that guy pay for boost, he get new champion/hero before I do, QQ"....really? so what if they can enjoy end-game few months before you do, how is that considered P2W, now before you argue about PVP, let's face it, all MMO PVP are broken. MMO = PVE from day 1, not PVP
Second this go for OP argument, WOW is no doubt a P2P Subscription game, but the last I check it, it has <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> loads of exploits, bugs, hacks, gold seller. So uh yea.....Again subscription =/= quality, OH! and best of all, World of Warcraft is a breeding ground for ELITISM, number 1 MMO with elitism.
I am as well.
Not just you or your post, but the laughable sentiment that people who don't enjoy autopilot questing in MMO's are somehow intellectually inferior. I don't see what's so stimulating about clicking through some contrived and clique fantasy story.
It's not about clicking through quests, it's about playing a MMO as a virtual world (for limited it might be) vs playing a MMO to rush to 'endgame' to.... well complain that there isn't anything to do
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
That much I can agree with you on, but most people just aren't patient enough to wait in a queue or enjoy the challenge of random pugs, and just want to faceroll everything without any real sense of reward or accomplishment. The market has spoken and that seems to be what many people enjoy.
It may be just an assumption but I believe that these kind of people aren't the ones that leave their cash in the Zen shop. The ones who buy Fashion items, Dyes and other "nickel-diming" pixels are the PvE loving "fanboys/girls" like us.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
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My guess would be both the end game rushers/competitive crowd, and the fashion and cosmetics crowd. I don't really fall into either, so I digress lol.
True but because MMORPGs have always been a semi-niche genre, since wow made them more 'mainstream' there has been a huge influx of people that have their own idea of what a MMORPG is and how it should be played.
And I am fine with it, people play what they want, how they want.
What I am not fine with is the same people coming to the forums to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> and moan because with their play style they run out of things to do....
Exactly. That's why I don't think that their leaving will affect economically NWO, not as much as it would in a P2P game
No, I said p2w. Referring specifically to this game. Read (and comprehend, above all else, if you can try) MY post :P
I was meaning the person you quoted and answered to in your post, not your actual post.
Unless you are meaning that FtP IS necesarily P2W, which is twisting the other poster's words and trying to make your opinion fact.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Check Steppenkat's Foundry Quest Reviews!
I'm in the same boat.. They decided to cater to the warcraft generation that will burn thru this game inside of 90 days and then it will be a ghost town... and us D&D fans that would have stuck around here for the long haul and now sitting here in smoking ashes with no desire to play anymore.
I logon, pray and get my coins, then log out. That's been my routine for over a week now. I have stayed logged in longer than 2 minutes. I'm hoping a miracle happens and this game can be saved but not holding my breath. Hooked on GW2 and Secret World in the mean time.
Agreed ^ Glad the few out there actually give this game more then 2 weeks coming right out of beta to see what potential it could have. and to see all the "200$" Hero Subs crying bout this game..u didnt pay 200$ cuz u thought this game was <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font>. there was a point that u were like Hell ya i want that 200$ pack. and dont tell me u just going to pay 200 or 60 or even the 20$ to be like it will hold me until they <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> me off with some patch or some bug u dont like happens. no u ether paid with your own money because u liked,enjoyed,wanted to get that extra boost in some helpful items and show off the cool spider mount.
There was a point for MOST not ALL but MOST that spent money and or didint that liked this game, And or was upset about the AH AD *not a big fan of it* but it does not affect the actual game play, unless u sit at the AH all day deck out your toons and after cry because your under powered or "omg" i CW killed me... so what.
I personally HATE a few things in this game But LOVE alot and i think ALOT should and needs to be changed. but to go all crazy within the first 2 weeks saying there not doing this and this or w.e the hell everyone wants changed,Perhaps stop playing? or take a break and if you dont want to then keep playing and something good should happen in your favor.
"i paid 200$ for a pack im not just gonna stop playing" < what i have heard alot in forums... well whos fault is that? maybe if its a big deal. PLAY it for a few. maybe play it till the Official Launch As in when the word "OPEN BETA" isnt on the website. This is beta what did u expect? in every mmo there is always something or Someone that finds a loop whole to something that the Dev's didnt catch on. and abuses it. then someone opens there mouth it spreads like wild fire and before u know it u had a 5 man group abuse a glitch into half a server in a matter of mins doing the same thing to the point of the "people" that didnt catch on and get to get all that crazy T1/T2 QQ about it cuz they were not in the running of getting w.e the hell is going on.
Stick around for until the launch and if you dont like it then, thats perfectly fine. we learn from our mistake. and better to find out you dont want to waste time on a game you dont enjoy.
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I know what YOU think you were talking about (I'm not the one who is having difficulties with reading comprehension, that would be you), but my point is that has no bearing on my response.
Good god, it's like nobody in this forum has basic reading skills. Going to leave a /facepalm here and go on to explain (once again).
I mean THIS game is p2w. Not all f2p is *insert whatever here*. Not anything else.
Grinding is boring, and not how I would want to play a game. If you like to grind and waste your time and still think you're having a fun time then that's just your weird definition of fun getting in the way of having a real discussion. After this chat, I am certain you wouldn't know a good game if it hit you in the face.
p2w is selling clear advantage, plain and simple. This game does it. Have fun grinding otherwise. Me, I'd rather go play something on a more even playing field, away from the gold spammers/exploiters/p2w'ers. This game will never deal with exploiters. Whole thing is cheap and tawdry. At least real games actually withdraw exploited loots from the exploiters and even hand out bans.
I don't need your approval, this is a forum (place of discussion). Posts were addressed to me and I respond. If you can't handle someone having other opinions to your own you should stay away from the internet. Goodbye weakling.
So buying items using the DEVELOPER'S store is bad, but buying game for 60 dollars and paying 12 dollars a month with RMT sites is OK?
how?
You're never forced to buy anything, you can buy everything in the game over time using the AD into Zen conversion.
And what is wrong with stuff taking months to get? It means you have goals, which is the #1 important thing an MMO needs. Personally i dont care AT ALL about auction house or prices. I'm here to play the game, get to max level, experience the CONTENT the game has to offer and once all is experienced, you look at the longevity the game will have for you. Having hard to get goals (if you dont use real money) is a GOOD thing. If you want to pay money for it TO THE DEVELOPER, that is completely up to you and by no means do you ever buy power that is in no way obtainable by other means.
I think everyone needs to get their facts straight and stop with the ignorant P2W bull**** that this game is now known for (when it is not true).