Well, except you know that the tank can't actually tank because everything is chasing the cleric.
GF can't aoe tank without cleric support and cleric support means instant agro because GF aoe agro is terrible. All that is missing is some Benny Hill music.
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Which leads to the point: GF is NOT supposed to AoE tank.
GF: Tanks critical enemies.
GWF: Tanks the rest.
CW: Control enemies to make all that tanking easier (since marks don't fall off until you get hit, and enemies which are being controlled can't attack..) (also, controlled enemies don't do damage, hence lowering pressure on DC.)
DC: Heals and buffs.
TR: Poke stuff, and help with aggro redirection, since they can also reliably manage single enemies (not so much when multiple enemies are involved)
Which leads to the point: GF is NOT supposed to AoE tank.
GF: Tanks critical enemies.
GWF: Tanks the rest.
CW: Control enemies to make all that tanking easier (since marks don't fall off until you get hit, and enemies which are being controlled can't attack..) (also, controlled enemies don't do damage, hence lowering pressure on DC.)
DC: Heals and buffs.
TR: Poke stuff, and help with aggro redirection, since they can also reliably manage single enemies (not so much when multiple enemies are involved)
Rogues, GWF, and Clerics can all tank the boss too. What's the exact point in bringing a GF?
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archanjo17041985Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
this game is so broken it just started and classes are left out already.
gf's useless...
gwf's useless...
party with tr 2 cw and 2 clerics stacking shield...
gj on this one
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This may be true, but being a free game with limited resources, you cant expect a whole lot from boss fights being extravagant 'Shadow of the Colossus' styled epic center piece dramatic events.
I was a DC and my friend was the Guard and we both left the game after we realized that this is how it is every dungeon no matter what he does he cannot take aggro from me.... I cast one spell and every add in the dungeon runs straight at me and he can do nothing but run around trying to pull the adds from me....
It's stupid and until this is fixed we won't be returning...... I'm sure I'm not alone either.......
And before anyone says he doesn't know what he's doing don't give me that we have played every MMO together for years and we have never had this problem except for in this game............
I think Dracolich is a good fight because the adds make it hard. Just because it has tons of adds doesn't instantly make it artificially difficult, there is plenty of real difficulty there. The add swarm style definitely fits the gameplay, because healers mostly have the tools to deal with it, and it gives Control Wizards a role since bosses can't be CC'd.
Having all bosses share this add swarm mechanic is lame, though.
Ty, this is another issue why does every boss in every dungeon have the same add mechanic couldn't they think of anything else besides have the boss summon adds at every 80/60/40/20% I mean it's gets old and tired after the first 5/6 dungeons.....
My tinfoil hat is made of tangible cynicism and industry experience. The alternative is to give in to the idea that all MMOs are always in beta which doesn't do the discussion any good.
I'm sure that's how every 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist feels too. Does that mean they are right, or just Conspiracy Theorists?
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
If I respond to you, will your posts get even more inane and off topic?
Can't possibly be any further inane than claiming a legitimate conspiracy theory, can it?
How many MMOs have you played that are exactly the same 5 years down the road as they were at release? I have played 0 that fit that criteria. This includes games that I didn't get in on the ground floor, of which I can only claim 2 to the best of my knowledge, this one, and Aion. Since they have updates, different versions, hot fixes, etc. The games are, or should be, always evolving since, once they quit evolving, they start to stagnate. This doesn't imply that they are still in Beta, just that they are growing, or at least changing. However, since the launcher for this game still has a banner proclaiming the current success of the Open Beta, and for D&D there is a remarkable lack of playable classes, I'd guess it's not in full launch yet. Unless, of course, the classes we are presented are the only classes in 4e D&D?
Reading comprehension is essential in a medium that requires reading for communication.
And before anyone says he doesn't know what he's doing don't give me that we have played every MMO together for years and we have never had this problem except for in this game............
There in lies the problem. This is not other mmo's, the combat system is differant. Plenty of GF's and Clerics are having the time of there lives, me included. Stop comparing this game to others, what worked in wow, or Eq, or guildwars, obviously is not the same here. You are free to leave this game to the big boys, its very apparent many cannot handle the difficulty of mastering the class's. Enjoy your button mashing wow.
/wave
P.S. You can mail all your stuff to me since you wont be needing it,
IMO AS shield is the only saving grace clerics have to deal with the high damage of end game mobs. We have no direct heals (burst in other words) really beside divine. Iam not saying it seems OP but really on epic dungeons i dont think they would be doable with out it with what we have to use. I think this is a result of bad game design, there are a lot of other issues that need to be fixed pve group wise also.
Can't possibly be any further inane than claiming a legitimate conspiracy theory, can it?
How many MMOs have you played that are exactly the same 5 years down the road as they were at release? I have played 0 that fit that criteria. This includes games that I didn't get in on the ground floor, of which I can only claim 2 to the best of my knowledge, this one, and Aion. Since they have updates, different versions, hot fixes, etc. The games are, or should be, always evolving since, once they quit evolving, they start to stagnate. This doesn't imply that they are still in Beta, just that they are growing, or at least changing. However, since the launcher for this game still has a banner proclaiming the current success of the Open Beta, and for D&D there is a remarkable lack of playable classes, I'd guess it's not in full launch yet. Unless, of course, the classes we are presented are the only classes in 4e D&D?
You're trying to argue with me based on my response to another posters groundless "tinfoil" hat jab at me. The comment was sparked by my claim that "open beta" can and has been used for marketing purposes. I'm not claiming anything is a conspiracy. The label of "open beta" is a ******* marketing gimmick.
Your line of questioning has **** all to do with the thread's topic.
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This is always a productive attitude that helps with the growth and retention of the game.
Please dont provoke him. All he does is call everyone else in this forum a baddie and says they cant play, because apparently he is the only living creature on earth with the skill set to play this game, while the rest of us dont have the coordination to click the mouse three times in a row.
Ty, this is another issue why does every boss in every dungeon have the same add mechanic couldn't they think of anything else besides have the boss summon adds at every 80/60/40/20% I mean it's gets old and tired after the first 5/6 dungeons.....
Yep, there is no difficulty to epic runs, they just throw in more mobs. The idea of mechanics for this game is just throw 50 more mobs at you and that is why AS is so important for the content, with out it i dont think epics would be do able with how weak the cleric healing is and yes i know that we have some good heals using power but between the time it takes to build the power up there is no filler beside Divine AS.
Please dont provoke him. All he does is call everyone else in this forum a baddie and says they cant play, because apparently he is the only living creature on earth with the skill set to play this game, while the rest of us dont have the coordination to click the mouse three times in a row.
Heh.
I've done nothing but defend the cleric class, and the GF class, because its working. Its working for alot of people. It has come down to saying yes, L2P. Why? Because its the same people, in the same threads, spouting the same <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about broken class's. I'm sure there are plenty of clerics much better then myself, with that being sad. If "I" can figure it out, and I'm not having a problem, my logic tells me you need to stay off the forums, and figure it out like the rest of us did. Stroke it, spin it. every which way you want, many people are not having the problems you guys are.
Example for you emo's. If I can do correct head space and timing on a browning .50 cal with the gauge ring sucessfuly. But you can never get it right, does that mean the gauge ring is broken and needs to be replaced? I think not. You just need more training
You still haven't answered me...if this is how it's supposed to be, why is there a tank at all in this game?
Again, many tanks, and clerics are not having problems. Prime example of tanking and healing on youtube, watch the video of valindras pet and talgoth. I've answered you many times, you just dont want to here the truth.
You have been with some bad tanks then. 1 I can grab up more than 5 mobs without a problem, the trick is target swapping, using your marks effectively, tank does not need to do much damage to hold agro. 2 Knights valor, lasts 10 seconds with 10 seconds in between, sucks up half the damage that the party is taking and that damage can be blocked so effectively you can mitigate 25% of the entire parties damage the entire fight and negate it completely, now stack that with astral shield and I will show you a party that lives. The game works the best with a balanced team of classes.
Knights Valor is bugged at the moment FYI. Probably still worth using just for the action point gain though.
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GF can't aoe tank without cleric support and cleric support means instant agro because GF aoe agro is terrible. All that is missing is some Benny Hill music.
GF: Tanks critical enemies.
GWF: Tanks the rest.
CW: Control enemies to make all that tanking easier (since marks don't fall off until you get hit, and enemies which are being controlled can't attack..) (also, controlled enemies don't do damage, hence lowering pressure on DC.)
DC: Heals and buffs.
TR: Poke stuff, and help with aggro redirection, since they can also reliably manage single enemies (not so much when multiple enemies are involved)
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
Rogues, GWF, and Clerics can all tank the boss too. What's the exact point in bringing a GF?
gf's useless...
gwf's useless...
party with tr 2 cw and 2 clerics stacking shield...
gj on this one
This is an open beta. Start treating it like one.
What? 1 cleric already has the adds under control. The boss is the only thing left to worry about.
It's "free to play" not unfunded.
They are whaling the americans just fine.
I'm new at this game but i agree that a DC takes way TOO MUCH aggro, even with the passives that reduces the threat.
Fighters needs a better aggro ratio !
I was a DC and my friend was the Guard and we both left the game after we realized that this is how it is every dungeon no matter what he does he cannot take aggro from me.... I cast one spell and every add in the dungeon runs straight at me and he can do nothing but run around trying to pull the adds from me....
It's stupid and until this is fixed we won't be returning...... I'm sure I'm not alone either.......
And before anyone says he doesn't know what he's doing don't give me that we have played every MMO together for years and we have never had this problem except for in this game............
Oh so it's just fine for the cleric to have aggro the whole fight?
So what is exactly the point then of the Guardian class why is it even in game if they can't get any aggro why play it?
Everyone should just roll cleric so they can have aggro and tank is that what your trying to get at?
The game already has a trinity it's just done very POORLY.......
Ty, this is another issue why does every boss in every dungeon have the same add mechanic couldn't they think of anything else besides have the boss summon adds at every 80/60/40/20% I mean it's gets old and tired after the first 5/6 dungeons.....
I'm sure that's how every 9/11 Conspiracy Theorist feels too. Does that mean they are right, or just Conspiracy Theorists?
If I respond to you, will your posts get even more inane and off topic?
Can't possibly be any further inane than claiming a legitimate conspiracy theory, can it?
How many MMOs have you played that are exactly the same 5 years down the road as they were at release? I have played 0 that fit that criteria. This includes games that I didn't get in on the ground floor, of which I can only claim 2 to the best of my knowledge, this one, and Aion. Since they have updates, different versions, hot fixes, etc. The games are, or should be, always evolving since, once they quit evolving, they start to stagnate. This doesn't imply that they are still in Beta, just that they are growing, or at least changing. However, since the launcher for this game still has a banner proclaiming the current success of the Open Beta, and for D&D there is a remarkable lack of playable classes, I'd guess it's not in full launch yet. Unless, of course, the classes we are presented are the only classes in 4e D&D?
There in lies the problem. This is not other mmo's, the combat system is differant. Plenty of GF's and Clerics are having the time of there lives, me included. Stop comparing this game to others, what worked in wow, or Eq, or guildwars, obviously is not the same here. You are free to leave this game to the big boys, its very apparent many cannot handle the difficulty of mastering the class's. Enjoy your button mashing wow.
/wave
P.S. You can mail all your stuff to me since you wont be needing it,
You're trying to argue with me based on my response to another posters groundless "tinfoil" hat jab at me. The comment was sparked by my claim that "open beta" can and has been used for marketing purposes. I'm not claiming anything is a conspiracy. The label of "open beta" is a ******* marketing gimmick.
Your line of questioning has **** all to do with the thread's topic.
Tell that to the developers who cloned half of it's systems. including trinity.
Please dont provoke him. All he does is call everyone else in this forum a baddie and says they cant play, because apparently he is the only living creature on earth with the skill set to play this game, while the rest of us dont have the coordination to click the mouse three times in a row.
Yep, there is no difficulty to epic runs, they just throw in more mobs. The idea of mechanics for this game is just throw 50 more mobs at you and that is why AS is so important for the content, with out it i dont think epics would be do able with how weak the cleric healing is and yes i know that we have some good heals using power but between the time it takes to build the power up there is no filler beside Divine AS.
Heh.
I've done nothing but defend the cleric class, and the GF class, because its working. Its working for alot of people. It has come down to saying yes, L2P. Why? Because its the same people, in the same threads, spouting the same <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> about broken class's. I'm sure there are plenty of clerics much better then myself, with that being sad. If "I" can figure it out, and I'm not having a problem, my logic tells me you need to stay off the forums, and figure it out like the rest of us did. Stroke it, spin it. every which way you want, many people are not having the problems you guys are.
Example for you emo's. If I can do correct head space and timing on a browning .50 cal with the gauge ring sucessfuly. But you can never get it right, does that mean the gauge ring is broken and needs to be replaced? I think not. You just need more training
Again, many tanks, and clerics are not having problems. Prime example of tanking and healing on youtube, watch the video of valindras pet and talgoth. I've answered you many times, you just dont want to here the truth.
Quote. "YOU CANT HANDLE THE TRUTH!"....../snicker
Cheers!
Knights Valor is bugged at the moment FYI. Probably still worth using just for the action point gain though.
+1. i think many of the issues came out in PVP, because astral shield in pve is a party salvation.