Regardless of what you think Snebil about the lines blurring and their business model. This game is not down as most games are in the Opening phases of release and or late beta are. While yes some of the down times are annoying. If they keep them limited to non-prime times (with the exception of last Saturday night) I am fine with it and Even then during prime times if they have a major fix that NEEDS to be taken care of I can deal with that too!
So relax and stop talking about their business model and just play the dang game. You can do that right? I mean the game is well done and fun to play. If you do not want to spend real time cash it is not required nor expected. That is what is is all about. You might not get the gear as fast as those that do then and if that is your problem, then you might want to find another game to play.
Open Beta means the game has gone gold. The game is ready for distribution.
Open Beta means the game is ready for release.
Its not ready for release, its "a feature complete version"* that "is not yet final due to bugs, performance or stability issues"* so its obvious that servers WILL go down.
I am aware of PWE reputation and that other "released" games are not working atm but WHY so many ppl are flaming about NV ?
Imagine that they just read ticket about repeatable ZEN duping method - what will you do as a dev ?
As I wrote before BETA mark is to warn you that server issues WILL happen.
I am actually glad there are no rollbacks and other bad things that happens during betas.
We all want to play this game but rly spaming and flaimg forums doesn't help much -.-
Even bags cost $50, and then they make a rune system that eats bag space like crazy.
And make you carry 4 kinds of kits, and 2 copies of every potion, etc.
They're sitting saying, F these free kids trying not to give us money, and trying to squeeze every pounce of cash out of people they can.
So you tell me, given that, do you this company invested in good servers? no, in good devs? no, in good anything? no
A good f2p game would invest in making the game freaking awesome in every way, even for the freebee moochers.
Then people would say wow it's an awesome game, and invest cash into it.
Right now, people feel like PW is going to pay to play kill the game, so why would people invest in it?
Also people should check Twitter for updates: Hey Everyone - We are making progress re: bringing the servers online, though at this time we do not yet have an ETA. Stay tuned!
No, the company should learn how to use their own damned site to give their consumers updates on the product many of them have paid for.
the problem is that they've cleverly blurred the line between launch and open beta. This phase of beta is more pre-release then beta imo...the key difference: people have happily shelled out a lot of money to play.
its a clever business idea, and they are making bank on it. imo, it is unethical to let people pay money to test your game for you...or it is unethical to still be actively testing the game once you've opened it up for real game play.
its a capitalist system and nobody is forcing folks to pay to test the game. it just isn't right though, imo.
Regardless of what you think Snebil about the lines blurring and their business model. This game is not down as most games are in the Opening phases of release and or late beta are. While yes some of the down times are annoying. If they keep them limited to non-prime times (with the exception of last Saturday night) I am fine with it and Even then during prime times if they have a major fix that NEEDS to be taken care of I can deal with that too!
So relax and stop talking about their business model and just play the dang game. You can do that right? I mean the game is well done and fun to play. If you do not want to spend real time cash it is not required nor expected. That is what is is all about. You might not get the gear as fast as those that do then and if that is your problem, then you might want to find another game to play.
Actually, try being angry because you just spent about 45 minutes on a single boss fight at the end of a T2 dungeon, which is so ridiculously overtuned it could be considered 40 man raid content in WoW vanilla.
Then, when the boss is at his last 10% of life, the server crashes.
Oh, this is after you spent about 2 hours re-rolling group queue because the queue likes to create groups without TANKS or HEALERS.
Not to mention the fact that in order to leave a broken queued group you have to change the instance you are in, which is always on a 2 minute cooldown....
I would rather pay $15 per month to enjoy a game where I didn't have to worry about how much money I need to save each month so I can have bag space or for respec.....
... and for those who keep complaining about them 'taking your money' ... Did they go into your bank account and withdraw the money? No. you gave it to them knowing it's a 'BETA' - quit complaining.
I'm trusting them to provide a product when they offer it for sale, if they can't provide it, they shouldn't offer it.
It doesn't matter what they label the product state, or how many bullets fankids think they can jump in front of, the bottom line is if you charge for something, you should be reasonably sure you can provide it, which is how we normally expect companies to do business.
I would be ok with some spelling errors in tool tips or the occasional quest that won't complete, or a goofy animation or two, but what they can't do after opening up payments is expect us to be ok with servers that catch fire every 48 hours for 2-3 hours at a time.
trying to bring 100 player guild base here.when your registration process is screwed up and your login server abilty fails
it starts to turn alot of people off.may look for somthing else at this point with 2 days of failure good luck............
Regardless of what you think Snebil about the lines blurring and their business model. This game is not down as most games are in the Opening phases of release and or late beta are. While yes some of the down times are annoying. If they keep them limited to non-prime times (with the exception of last Saturday night) I am fine with it and Even then during prime times if they have a major fix that NEEDS to be taken care of I can deal with that too!
So relax and stop talking about their business model and just play the dang game. You can do that right? I mean the game is well done and fun to play. If you do not want to spend real time cash it is not required nor expected. That is what is is all about. You might not get the gear as fast as those that do then and if that is your problem, then you might want to find another game to play.
Actually, try being angry because you just spent about 45 minutes on a single boss fight at the end of a T2 dungeon, which is so ridiculously overtuned it could be considered 40 man raid content in WoW vanilla.
Then, when the boss is at his last 10% of life, the server crashes.
Oh, this is after you spent about 2 hours re-rolling group queue because the queue likes to create groups without TANKS or HEALERS.
Not to mention the fact that in order to leave a broken queued group you have to change the instance you are in, which is always on a 2 minute cooldown....
rekkionMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
I just wish they would Switch the icon on the log in screen to "red" letting us know that the servers are down still instead of letting us think we can log in and play ....
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huldran1988Member, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 2Arc User
edited May 2013
Oh the QQ in this thread... Beta is beta people. Stop being childish.
I can play the game AND criticize their business model....the two have nothing to do with one another. I wouldn't pay to play in a beta, and I don't think anyone else should either. Those that did and are now complaining are seeing the foolishness in plunking down $200 to test the game. My commentary is as much a criticism on those complaining as it is on the business model.
I think it is very clever (sneaky?) that they have gotten so many folks to play in their "open beta".
I will keep playing (when the servers come up) because it is fun. Thank you for suggesting it. :cool:
I refuse to use Twitter and so should everyone else. Social websites are the enemy of an educated society. Agreed, all updates should be done on their site and easy to find.
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calaminthaMember, Neverwinter Beta UsersPosts: 0Arc User
the problem is that they've cleverly blurred the line between launch and open beta. This phase of beta is more pre-release then beta imo...the key difference: people have happily shelled out a lot of money to play.
its a clever business idea, and they are making bank on it. imo, it is unethical to let people pay money to test your game for you...or it is unethical to still be actively testing the game once you've opened it up for real game play.
its a capitalist system and nobody is forcing folks to pay to test the game. it just isn't right though, imo.
This, entirely this. Although "force" is a hard word. If I could hivemind everyone in the world I'd stop them all from playing this cash grab game, but I can't, and I know that me not playing wont change anything, so instead I play and allow my inner troll to run rampant the entire time, I feel its the best way to discourage playing this game.
I can play the game AND criticize their business model....the two have nothing to do with one another. I wouldn't pay to play in a beta, and I don't think anyone else should either. Those that did and are now complaining are seeing the foolishness in plunking down $200 to test the game. My commentary is as much a criticism on those complaining as it is on the business model.
I think it is very clever (sneaky?) that they have gotten so many folks to play in their "open beta".
I will keep playing (when the servers come up) because it is fun. Thank you for suggesting it. :cool:
Hey "kid", do you realize when the server goes down Champions Online and Star Trek Online are also down as well? Are they in "beta" too? Beta is in name only. It's there to fool morons into excusing them for lousy service. Consider yourself fooled.
Offically both CO and STO have never come out of OBT so yes they are in beta still. I beta tested both of em so trust me I know. Also as for the person who said because they are willing to take my money they aren't in beta . . .bzzzzzt!! wrong FW during cbt had it's cash shop open with any zen bought and used being refunded once game reached obt with no more wipes so don't want to hear that lame excuse again.
No, the company should learn how to use their own damned site to give their consumers updates on the product many of them have paid for.
Whats wrong with using Twitter for fast updates?
Ye, ye, back in the days we wrote Letters... now they all use these strange E-Mails...
Welcome in 2013 oldtimer!
you guys are freaking stupid, there is a reason its called "Beta" and making an MMO isn't an easy job (speaking as a game developer) and if you're playing this game 24/7 you need to get a real life first.
LOL! Creating pong in basic doesn't make you a game developer! Shooosh!!!
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So relax and stop talking about their business model and just play the dang game. You can do that right? I mean the game is well done and fun to play. If you do not want to spend real time cash it is not required nor expected. That is what is is all about. You might not get the gear as fast as those that do then and if that is your problem, then you might want to find another game to play.
Its not ready for release, its "a feature complete version"* that "is not yet final due to bugs, performance or stability issues"* so its obvious that servers WILL go down.
I am aware of PWE reputation and that other "released" games are not working atm but WHY so many ppl are flaming about NV ?
Imagine that they just read ticket about repeatable ZEN duping method - what will you do as a dev ?
As I wrote before BETA mark is to warn you that server issues WILL happen.
I am actually glad there are no rollbacks and other bad things that happens during betas.
We all want to play this game but rly spaming and flaimg forums doesn't help much -.-
Even bags cost $50, and then they make a rune system that eats bag space like crazy.
And make you carry 4 kinds of kits, and 2 copies of every potion, etc.
They're sitting saying, F these free kids trying not to give us money, and trying to squeeze every pounce of cash out of people they can.
So you tell me, given that, do you this company invested in good servers? no, in good devs? no, in good anything? no
A good f2p game would invest in making the game freaking awesome in every way, even for the freebee moochers.
Then people would say wow it's an awesome game, and invest cash into it.
Right now, people feel like PW is going to pay to play kill the game, so why would people invest in it?
No, the company should learn how to use their own damned site to give their consumers updates on the product many of them have paid for.
Regardless of what you think Snebil about the lines blurring and their business model. This game is not down as most games are in the Opening phases of release and or late beta are. While yes some of the down times are annoying. If they keep them limited to non-prime times (with the exception of last Saturday night) I am fine with it and Even then during prime times if they have a major fix that NEEDS to be taken care of I can deal with that too!
So relax and stop talking about their business model and just play the dang game. You can do that right? I mean the game is well done and fun to play. If you do not want to spend real time cash it is not required nor expected. That is what is is all about. You might not get the gear as fast as those that do then and if that is your problem, then you might want to find another game to play.
Server Down? Go to My Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/gifmike
The Beauty of Neverwinter Online Part 1
I'm trusting them to provide a product when they offer it for sale, if they can't provide it, they shouldn't offer it.
It doesn't matter what they label the product state, or how many bullets fankids think they can jump in front of, the bottom line is if you charge for something, you should be reasonably sure you can provide it, which is how we normally expect companies to do business.
I would be ok with some spelling errors in tool tips or the occasional quest that won't complete, or a goofy animation or two, but what they can't do after opening up payments is expect us to be ok with servers that catch fire every 48 hours for 2-3 hours at a time.
it starts to turn alot of people off.may look for somthing else at this point with 2 days of failure good luck............
So all you do is spam?
Server Down? Go to My Channel:
https://www.youtube.com/user/gifmike
The Beauty of Neverwinter Online Part 1
I think it is very clever (sneaky?) that they have gotten so many folks to play in their "open beta".
I will keep playing (when the servers come up) because it is fun. Thank you for suggesting it. :cool:
True, but that fight was lost years ago.
This, entirely this. Although "force" is a hard word. If I could hivemind everyone in the world I'd stop them all from playing this cash grab game, but I can't, and I know that me not playing wont change anything, so instead I play and allow my inner troll to run rampant the entire time, I feel its the best way to discourage playing this game.
I think it is very clever (sneaky?) that they have gotten so many folks to play in their "open beta".
I will keep playing (when the servers come up) because it is fun. Thank you for suggesting it. :cool:
:cool:
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Offically both CO and STO have never come out of OBT so yes they are in beta still. I beta tested both of em so trust me I know. Also as for the person who said because they are willing to take my money they aren't in beta . . .bzzzzzt!! wrong FW during cbt had it's cash shop open with any zen bought and used being refunded once game reached obt with no more wipes so don't want to hear that lame excuse again.
Whats wrong with using Twitter for fast updates?
Ye, ye, back in the days we wrote Letters... now they all use these strange E-Mails...
Welcome in 2013 oldtimer!
LOL! Creating pong in basic doesn't make you a game developer! Shooosh!!!