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  • ganiriesganiries Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    Bardy McBardle the Bard. Always play bards (minstrel in LOTRO) and will (hopefully) roll an extra bardyful bard if they're added.
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  • legiosmortislegiosmortis Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited January 2013
    I'd rather get the game this spring, with a modest set of complete features and more on the way.

    It helps that the class I'd like for my main (cleric) is present from the start. But my saying that five is enough isn't contingent on my preferred class being included- that's just good fortune.
  • denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I have Cleric and Wizard, and this is enough. If the Druid is a leader (essentialized druid), i'd like its addition.

    But i want SO much to play a Starlock. It's my 3rd favourite 4e build.
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  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    edited February 2013
    I want (and expect) all those listed, and more! :D


    Please just keep in mind, they have never once said that these 5 that have been announced are all that there will be, just what they will be releasing with for sure. They have said that they are really only limited to the Races and Classes that are the Forgotten Realms and what WotC will allow and wants in the game. They have also said that they plan on continually adding more Races and Classes post-launch.
  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    syberghost wrote: »
    If they gave us EVERYTHING at launch, then:

    1) Everything would have less polish, because the same number of developer hours went to more things.
    2) There'd be nothing new to give us later.

    Slow and steady wins the race. That's how MMOs work. Ultima Online is still adding new features.


    Your argument is invalid. They are working at this game from 2010. So they had time to make 100 classes and races until now
  • denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    zebular wrote: »
    I want (and expect) all those listed, and more! :D

    I see in our future Swordmage, Warlock (pics), and Beastmaster Ranger. And Druid or Paladin (completed with a tank build) as second leader.
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  • lawfulstupidlawfulstupid Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2013
    It depends on the edition of the game. You're limited to only a single second class in 4ed that I know of (I've only read the 1st PHB, but haven't really played PnP since right before 3rd ed, so don't know if they added more options in source books), and only get a few limited benefits from your second class at that. And 1st and 2nd ed technically didn't allow those class combinations for elves (I allowed anything in my campaigns, but that was just me >.>)

    Meh, maybe it's because I just finished another run through of Neverwinter Nights 2 and I'm stuck in the 3.5e mentality where you planned entire builds around which core classes you needed to take to get access to the prestige class you wanted (9 fighter/1 bard/10 red dragon disciple -- a plate-wearing, scroll casting, fire-breathing... you get the idea) so when I hear Drizzt's background I think "multiclass"
    The rationale for five classes was that the devs said they'd rather make those five classes feel different and offer deep customization, rather than a dozen half-done classes that were never fleshed out.

    Also, $$$

    I support that sentiment 100% of the way. A few great classes is better than a bunch of mediocre ones.
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    Your argument is invalid. They are working at this game from 2010. So they had time to make 100 classes and races until now

    You do realize the sheer complexity of making MMOs, right? This ain't something John Carmack and John Romero can get together and birth in an afternoon (maybe just them birthing a giant ball of hair or something... let THAT mental image sink in for a while.) The amount of fine tuning that needs to be just right or else risk a player's revolt is enough to turn your brain to goo.

    Here's a fun experiment: find a computer animator and ask them how much fun rigging is. That's where you take the 3-D model and painstakingly script every single last little movement that you want the model to make. Right down to how the forearm muscles flex when the arm is bent or how the muscles in the character's forehead shift when the character cracks a smile.
    Here's a hint: rigging sucks and is more tedious than you could possibly imagine.

    Quality > quantity
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  • castagyrecastagyre Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    I'd like more than 5, but what else I don't know. I'm not that familiar with anything past 3.5. On one hand I like variety and am pretty much always open for more options to play. On the other I think of games like DAoC and EQ2 with all of their classes and the nightmares the devs have had over the years with them and I don't envy the devs one bit.
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  • lawfulstupidlawfulstupid Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2013
    castagyre wrote: »
    I'd like more than 5, but what else I don't know. I'm not that familiar with anything past 3.5. On one hand I like variety and am pretty much always open for more options to play. On the other I think of games like DAoC and EQ2 with all of their classes and the nightmares the devs have had over the years with them and I don't envy the devs one bit.

    I see your DAoC and EQ2 and raise you one SWG. Talk about what an unenviable job trying to please -that- fan-base would have been. How many classes did SWG have in the beginning. And the players... they whined about the Pre-CU, they really whined about CU, and Whoa ho ho did they ever pitch fits about NGE.
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  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    You do realize the sheer complexity of making MMOs, right? This ain't something John Carmack and John Romero can get together and birth in an afternoon (maybe just them birthing a giant ball of hair or something... let THAT mental image sink in for a while.) The amount of fine tuning that needs to be just right or else risk a player's revolt is enough to turn your brain to goo.

    Here's a fun experiment: find a computer animator and ask them how much fun rigging is. That's where you take the 3-D model and painstakingly script every single last little movement that you want the model to make. Right down to how the forearm muscles flex when the arm is bent or how the muscles in the character's forehead shift when the character cracks a smile.
    Here's a hint: rigging sucks and is more tedious than you could possibly imagine.

    Quality > quantity

    WoW development lasted 3 years like NW and the game had tons of content, tons of classes, 2 factions, lots of races and a huge map. All that in early 2000

    GW 2 had 4 years of development and there is no need to say it was absolutly epic. Probably the best MMO out there.

    NWO 3 years, average grafics,4 (maybe 5) classes and a few races. Even NWN 1 had more content. (and at it's time nwn 1 had amazing graphics)
  • denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    GW 2 had 4 years of development and there is no need to say it was absolutly epic. Probably the best MMO out there.

    Lolwut? Yeah, epic like a lovely package with no present inside.
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  • lawfulstupidlawfulstupid Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    WoW development lasted 3 years like NW and the game had tons of content, tons of classes, 2 factions, lots of races and a huge map. All that in early 2000

    What was World of Warcraft's budget and staff allocation compared to Neverwinter?
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    GW 2 had 4 years of development and there is no need to say it was absolutly epic. Probably the best MMO out there.

    Yeah well, that's just like, your opinion, man.
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    NWO 3 years, average grafics,4 (maybe 5) classes and a few races. Even NWN 1 had more content. (and at it's time nwn 1 had amazing graphics)

    I think they look awesome, personally (but that's just like, my opinion, man). 4 (maybe 5) classes with a lot of TLC given to each is much preferable to a dozen classes that were poorly implemented and completely unbalanced with respect to each other. And NWN1 was a single player player game, your comparison is apples to oranges.
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  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    Guild Wars 2 was released to universal acclaim. It received a score of 90.26% on GameRankings[42] and 90/100 on Metacritic.[43] PC Gamer editor Chris Thursten gave the game a 94% rating, calling it "an accomplished and rewarding online RPG that does a great deal to reclaim the promise of its genre."[50] IGN's Charles Onyett rated the game a 9/10, commenting that the game is "one of the most exhaustively detailed and rewarding MMOs in existence, one that never unfairly penalizes and fosters an incredible urge to explore through a generous reward system and achingly pretty environment design".


    Not only my oppinion. The game was really epic. Huge maps, unique events, fun gameplay, diversified quest, excelent graphics, etc.
    The discution is not about GW2

    And it's my fault that WoW had better budget ? This means I have to lift to the rank of legendary a game that until now has proven nothing only because it's a D&D universe ?
  • peoplenesspeopleness Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    GW2 is the best MMO I have ever played!!!! Saying that it is epic doesn't even do it justice! Anyway...

    ON TOPIC: Wha? I didn't even know all the classes for release had even been revealed yet. Are you sure they are not going to reveal any more classes from now until release? Also, what exactly are the 5 classes that are supposedly available at release?
  • lawfulstupidlawfulstupid Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    Guild Wars 2 was released to universal acclaim. It received a score of 90.26% on GameRankings[42] and 90/100 on Metacritic.[43] PC Gamer editor Chris Thursten gave the game a 94% rating, calling it "an accomplished and rewarding online RPG that does a great deal to reclaim the promise of its genre."[50] IGN's Charles Onyett rated the game a 9/10, commenting that the game is "one of the most exhaustively detailed and rewarding MMOs in existence, one that never unfairly penalizes and fosters an incredible urge to explore through a generous reward system and achingly pretty environment design".


    Not only my oppinion. The game was really epic. Huge maps, unique events, fun gameplay, diversified quest, excelent graphics, etc.
    The discution is not about GW2

    That statement was made completely tongue-in-cheek :p
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    And it's my fault that WoW had better budget ? This means I have to lift to the rank of legendary a game that until now has proven nothing only because it's a D&D universe ?

    Well, you brought up similarities in timescales between WoW and Neverwinter development periods, and I only thought it fair to consider all of the variables that go into making a game. It's fun to <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> around on an internet forum dreaming about the perfect MMO, it's another thing entirely when you have real limitations within which you need to work. What 200 guys can do with 100 million dollars in 3 years is very different from what 60 guys can do with 25 million dollars in 3 years. Not to mention it's freaking Blizzard, so you're talking about some of the best talent in the industry, and whose upper management goes way out of its way to make sure that budgets and deadlines are flexible enough to meet creative quality standards. They're quite famous for having a release date of "when it's ready".

    My point is that lets not focus on arbitrary check-points like how much time they've invested in the game. Let the bean-counters worry about that stuff :)
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  • denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Oh, i know that it was released with universal acclaim, and when i purchased it i thought it would be the best MMORPG i've ever played. But the issue is that i've played it.
    Dilige, et quod vis fac (Love, and do what you will)

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  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    My point is that lets not focus on arbitrary check-points like how much time they've invested in the game. Let the bean-counters worry about that stuff :)

    I have to keep my dreams low ! No more disappointments that way:))
  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    Oh, i know that it was released with universal acclaim, and when i purchased it i thought it would be the best MMORPG i've ever played. But the issue is that i've played it.


    Well NWO kinda copy's the fighting style from GW2 so someone is gonna have a bad surprise
  • denkasaebadenkasaeba Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    Well NWO kinda copy's the fighting style from GW2 so someone is gonna have a bad surprise

    That was basically the only good thing in gw2. That and the bank system.

    P.S. I'll end here, i don't want to start quarrels.
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  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    That was basically the only good thing in gw2. That and the bank system.

    P.S. I'll end here, i don't want to start quarrels.

    I never start a quarrel with a wizard fellow. We wizard only have contradictory discussions:cool:
  • lawfulstupidlawfulstupid Member Posts: 55
    edited February 2013
    aeroth001 wrote: »
    I never start a quarrel with a wizard fellow. We wizard only have contradictory discussions:cool:

    And sometimes those contradictory discussions involve the two wizards angrily flinging fireballs at each other
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  • aeroth001aeroth001 Member Posts: 420 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    And sometimes those contradictory discussions involve the two wizards angrily flinging fireballs at each other

    That made me smile. Let us get back to the topic at hand.
    Classes More Classes !!! I really want them all not only paladin or ranger. ALL !! Do you hear me Cryptic ? AAAAALL
  • stonklaversstonklavers Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Hey guys, the BARD class too. :cool:
  • noshmeknoshmek Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 48
    edited February 2013
    Of those choices, druid would be my favorite. However, Psionicist or Monk would be welcomed as well.
  • ganiriesganiries Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    Bard, yes. I feel bad that the class is relegated to 'other'. We need some tunes!
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  • gamemoddergamemodder Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    There were supposed to be 5 different launching classes if you recall the original Play Neverwinter image.

    Ranger is undoubtedly coming soon.

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    I do want to be a Star Pact warlock though :D
  • shiaikashiaika Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Hero Users, Silverstars Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    gamemodder wrote: »
    There were supposed to be 5 launching classes if you recall the original Play Neverwinter image.

    Ranger is undoubtedly coming soon.

    I do want to be a Star Pact warlock though :D
    There are 5 classes at launch. Just that instead of having Ranger, we get 2 Figther based classes. That doesn't change that Ranger is stil on the works and hopefully, released long before Soon™
  • devoteoftempusdevoteoftempus Member, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Guardian Users Posts: 473 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    This is an age old topic, but 5 is limiting if they don't release classes in a reasonable amount of time. Like 3 months. This is something tricky, if they don't entice their players then people will leave and people will right off Neverwinter in the early stages. Happens in every MMO.

    I would have thought a couple of classes would have been added with the extended development but looks like I was wrong.
  • gamemoddergamemodder Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited February 2013
    OK edit: 5 DIFFERENT launch classes. Does that make you happier? :\
  • mnaticmnatic Member, Neverwinter Beta Users Posts: 233 Bounty Hunter
    edited February 2013
    denkasaeba wrote: »
    Lolwut? Yeah, epic like a lovely package with no present inside.

    ha ha i too thought he has been at the pipe weed too long.
    GW2 is awful but its very pretty.

    terrible game.
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