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So what do people hope/think the pvp system will be like?
viaxus
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Cryptic have stated they want to implement a robust pvp system. What do you all think/hope it will be like? Personally hoping for a bit of Guild vs Guild conflicts...and maybe a bit of open world pvp. (Not likely to happen). What about you all? Not sure how many people played UO, but they had a guild vs guild pvp system that I think could work great within the framework of DnD. Guilds could declare war on other guilds, meaning members of each guilds could attack each other on sight until one guild "Surrendered" or did not want to continue the war.
In many roleplaying communities, still ongoing, they had a massive guild warring system where all the roleplaying guilds would declare war on each other. This is not to be misunderstood as there was constant pvp between the roleplaying guilds, far from it. It just enabled the RISK of being able to be attacked or attack at any given time during roleplaying. !
In many roleplaying communities, still ongoing, they had a massive guild warring system where all the roleplaying guilds would declare war on each other. This is not to be misunderstood as there was constant pvp between the roleplaying guilds, far from it. It just enabled the RISK of being able to be attacked or attack at any given time during roleplaying. !
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Assuming that there isn't going to be large scale PvP (like Guildwars 2's World vs World or Dark Age of Camelot's Realm vs Realm), I would like to see interest map mechanics.
Warhammer Online had a lot of PvP maps they called "Scenarios" which played very much like any modern hot-join PvP. But the name I actually thought would fit a much better system. I want to load into a PvP match and be met with a random scenario that I have to "beat". Maybe my team is currently protecting a small village and the entire goal is to protect the innocent villagers from death while the opposing teams objective is to kill them and claim the village.
I don't see any need to have both sides always start off on perfectly even footing with maps that are two almost identical "halfs" just with one flipped and stuck together. I love PvP but hot-join matches like that just bore me after one or two battles.
Capture the flag
Duels (Challange) initiated by throwing the glove
And open brawls.
What I would like to see is faction PvP. By faction I mean NPC factions like Red Wizards of Thay or the Harpers or Thieves Guild or whatever orders or guilds are around in 4e competing against each other. Neverwinter is a setting of a drive for power and a perfect setting for some good PvP elements.
then once we got into the pvp zone, it was small and felt like an after thought something they just put in to get that base covered.
well the main reason i sit at my computer for hours on end to level up is in hope i can fight other players. that is the only thing in mmo's that give me a reason to get better gear and play to get better. pve is not good enough for me it is not hard and it does not have intelligent reactions to the players changing strategy. i have done my fair share of pve raids my guild in WoW got world first on every boss in both MC and BWL. That was largely because pve mobs are stupid aka "farm status".
were in pvp you could fight X class 1,000 times and WIN! then come across another player of this X class type and end up dead because he was far better than you gave him credit for.
I hope this game has.
RvR type pvp like (DAoC) NOT GW2 current WvW.
instance pvp ( objective based)
Arenas of any type 1v1 up to 10v10
And just good old fashion open world pvp with no limits make a stand alone open world pvp server if there are not enough people to support every server being staple with this
Couldnt agree more. PVP and PvPers have reunied enough games.
I'm sick of hearing this on this forum. Go pve in a forest and leave pvp'ers do what they do.
Arguments ? A feat of a game cannot ruin a game. It's just a feat and if you don't like it don't use it.
It's some players that ruin the game and the kind of players the game attracts. WOW for example attracts tons of silly kids these days that curse and argue for nothing.
So people ruin games not a feat of the game. Ok ?
I disagree with this statement. My personal opinion of how PvP ruins PvE games are when games are "balanced" around both PvE and PvP simultaneously, which leads to good, solid abilities in PvE getting nerfed or outright changed because they are overpowered in PvP. I would be all for a good, robust PvP system if I believed for a second that it would not lead directly to changes in the PvE aspect of the game for the sake of "balance".
Yes largely it does depend on the person not the feature as any <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> can ruin a dungeon run. However as demonknight has said "balance issues" are a big problem. My only gripe really is D&D pnp rpg is all about PVE, the DM would never encourage players to attack to kill each other. You PVPers have enough games, I just dont want the incorporation of a game dynamic that doesnt really feel like it has a place in this game ruin the experince for others i.e forced PVP or gear/build balancing.
I personally hope and pray that we get some open world PvP server or option akin to it. This would be the world exactly as it has been developed but with the ability to attack anyone at any time that are outside of safe-zones (cities /housing etc..).
There is nothing like the real thrill of the danger of getting ganked while adventuring. It forces people to group up for safety and creates a really interesting social dynamic. Yes it is intense and too much for certain types of players, but I think there are enough hard-boiled pvpers out there like myself that would be absolutely thrilled with an open-world pvp server as an option. Please, please, please!
Statement 2 contradicts with statement 1.
Also no multiple servers - one server architect btw.
Tell me.. what game has this happened in, back you words up plz? Most nerfs I've seen in MMOs always come from the PvE justification. People cry out that their class were decimated because of PvP nerfs yet I've seen waaay more nerfs come from PvE reasons than PvP reasons.
And yet in there games most of these "nerfs" come from strictly PvE nerf justification. Prime example Death Knights in WotLK, many nerfs come from PvE justification and not PvP.
I've played WoW numerous years and NEVER was there a nerf to my class on the basis of PvP that was detrimental to my class to the point of broken. Sure some nerfs impacted my class which that happens (which more times than not it was PvE justified if it impacted my PvE) and is the nature of the beast but nothing that completely broke my class. Playing a WoW Warr tank even in WotLK where we were dead last tank compared to the other tanks with the exception of the DK and yet I was still clearing the top content.
Even in PvE focused to the point that PvP is nonexistent games do they hand out nerfs that break (gimp is a more apt term than broken and that pertains to all nerfs) classes (Hellloooo DDO's archery nerfbat that they never fixed for years if they even fixed it now?). People need to stop worrying bout "I'm the best DPS... so SUCX it NOOBS" and just play for what it is.
People create this philosophy that all nerfs to their classes come from PvP reasons/balances when in reality that's not the case. PvE justified nerfs happen as often if not more so. PvP nerfs typically are minor and usually have no impact on PvE at least in WoW where there is a wide array of abilities.
Rift had a pretty smart ideal, they had a soul withing their classes that was dedicated to PvP.
Course you could have a dungeon crawl with players playing themselves or the monsters. Player goal to get the chest , monsters goal to stop the players (then get chest rewards) or whatever reward system put in:) recon that would be fun? As monster can be balance against classes it should still not affect character skills?
Could even add to game with a monster char that can only be used in PVP dungeons? then chose monster or player fo pvp dungeon crawl?
In the original post I described UO's system of Pvp. When the game first launched there were no pvp/pve weapons at all. Naturally some people would get a hold of more powerful weapons than others and thus be more destructive in pvp, but these weapons were not obtained by grinding in pvp, rather by being lucky in finding one in pve. A Bow of Vanquishing for instance would do far more damage than a Grandmaster fletchered bow from your local lumberjack.
Back to the guild vs guild system. I believe this would benefit everyone. It excludes those that do not want anything to do with pvp, and enables pvpers/pvp guilds by fighting each other. I never liked the concept of pvping in order to get better weapons/armour etc, but do it more for the thrill of the experience alone. If people wanna have a go at attacking my not at all established drow guild with the opportunity to do a bit of roleplay along with it, go for it! Likewise we would attempt to war other roleplaying guilds that were up for a bit of pvp action once in awhile.
Naturally some guilds would be completely devoted to the concept of pvp alone. These guilds would then find each other and war each other. Best part of it all is...if one guild has had enough/doesn't wanna fight anymore/keeps losing they can peace the other guild immediately.
This system does not take a great deal of developing time to create, (I would assume atleast) compared to the RvR lakes potentially having to be created. (Do not get me wrong, I liked Warhammer Onlines pvp system, but it is not realistic to expect here).
As to the argument that pvp does not fit in the context of Forgotten Realms, I could not disagree more! Yes it is about hacking through a dungeon or area with your friends, but it is also about fighting the Bad guys and the Bad guys wanna be bad.
Ahh well, just my 2 cents...or 4. Success! Thanks Gillrmn!
Keep it Short and Sweet?
(It cuts your message if you use ascii characters, non-keyboard characters)
Don't forget OP PvE gear that unbalance the game.
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Have you ever played a PVE MMO ? And I'm not joking with this question.
Do you know what a ninja is ? It's a person that steals the loot from the big boss. It's a mega jerk that steals and ruins the pve.
He is not a pvp'er...
Do you know how pve groups are made in most mmo's ? On the global chat were random people gatter and curse at one another like : "heal idiots","go for the minions noobs" and some other quotes I dare not say.
Don't give the Oh pvp'ers are soooo bad because it is a generalisation and generalisations are WRONG.
p.s. don't make me use the leroy jenkings argument were a dude from the group attacks the boss before the group is ready and all die.
No.
From my FAQ.
When you decided to take an enemy relic you had to have all of your own relics in your relic keeps before that could be done and if an enemy had stolen some of them you had to go get them back before you could steal their relics. Relics from your own realm provided bonus to PvP and stolen relics provided bonus to both PvP and PvE.
Now I realize something like this might not work in NeverWinter but the end game Realm vs Realm conflict in DAoC was really fun indeed.
If you want to learn more about this you can google Dark Age of Camelot and read up on Realm vs Realm.
Seriously, every attempt at discussing PvP on this forum turns into "I don't like PvP and neither should you." It's a nightmare. I don't craft, maybe I should head over to the crafting thread and start bashing everything about it there. I'm sure I could concoct a sound argument that says the introduction of crafted items affects the availability of loot drops from monsters and that it shouldn't be in the game at all.