Looking forward to it!
Also note the "race tab" page is awful... no stats for some races (dwarf?), half orcs and halflings are entirely missing, etc. It needs to be updated badly!
ok this is a newbie/non founder type question , as one of the players that dont have the current access to the drow race to play....what classes are currently available with them?
how many players have them at max level already? is max lvl 60?
what companions do you have? are they the same as the other racial types?
do all drow players use the spider mount or horses too?
There are no class restrictions in this game. You can play any race as any class.
Max level is 60.
Available companions are the same. If you bought the Hero Founder pack, you get the Panther.
Available mounts are the same. You get the spider with the pack.
My Menzoberranzan Renegade (a.k.a. Drow) character uses the Vicious Dire Wolf companion and the Adventurer's Medium Horse (or whatever its official name is), both from the Guardian Founder pack (yes, I bought both Founder packs). The Dire Wolf has better AI, so it attacks faster (the Panther seems to hesitate before deciding to attack) and it has an attack that interrupts the enemy. And I think the horse is a better mount for a humanoid hero character -- I'd only use the spider for a monster-race character.
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zentucknorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited May 2013
I am curious Cryptic. You have said how much you love the Realms and the lore. Why the obvious effort to ignore an aspect of the Lore where the Drow are concerned. They are RARE as a "good" character and making them a player usable race openly makes no sense lore wise.
Ever ask a halfling to watch over your stuff while you visit the privy? Was it there when you returned?
I am curious Cryptic. You have said how much you love the Realms and the lore. Why the obvious effort to ignore an aspect of the Lore where the Drow are concerned. They are RARE as a "good" character and making them a player usable race openly makes no sense lore wise.
Why do people keep thinking they're playing AD&D? There are colonies and populations of neutral/good aligned Drow in 4th ed. There is a whole neighborhood of them in Waterdeep. They are allowed to openly worship Corellon now (because he took on his daughter's portfolio) and recently I discovered there's even an epic destiny that allows your character to be redemeed and turned back into a Dark Elf.
Also you run into the PC Population fallacy for D&D. It consists on thinking that the PC Population must represent the whole setting's population (aka the grand majority of characters should be human then, being a small minority elves, dwarves, halflings and whatever). PCs are always the exception and they consist on a small minority of people that happen to be adventurers.
An adventurer can be anyone, since it's always someone EXTRAordinary, you know... uncommon.
Characters: - Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer) - Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur) - Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC) - Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
Why do people keep thinking they're playing AD&D? There are colonies and populations of neutral/good aligned Drow in 4th ed. There is a whole neighborhood of them in Waterdeep. They are allowed to openly worship Corellon now (because he took on his daughter's portfolio) and recently I discovered there's even an epic destiny that allows your character to be redemeed and turned back into a Dark Elf.
Also you run into the PC Population fallacy for D&D. It consists on thinking that the PC Population must represent the whole setting's population (aka the grand majority of characters should be human then, being a small minority elves, dwarves, halflings and whatever). PCs are always the exception and they consist on a small minority of people that happen to be adventurers.
An adventurer can be anyone, since it's always someone EXTRAordinary, you know... uncommon.
By all thats holy THANK GOD! THIS! THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!
I have been trying for *decades* to get this across to people...
I don't care how beloved the lore is(and I love that lore as much as you do!)...things change...they *must* change. Else what's the point? Should the drow *all* turn into shiny happy people? Of course not...but this false notion that having a decent sized number of good drow somehow flies in the face of "Good" FR Lord is plain ridiculous. I don't care how depraved a culture is, exposure to other cultures, *will* over time affect change. We should always have the spider loving, female dominated evil drow we know and love...but things have to change, and an increasing number of good drow...especially once they find each other and start helping others to survive...it's flat out common sense.
As if it's impossible to have a valid character concept for a good drow that isn't a drizzt clone....as if those raised in a culture never behave outside the norms of said culture...with *many* even adopting *rival* cultures beliefs!
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zentucknorMember, Neverwinter Beta Users, Neverwinter Knight of the Feywild UsersPosts: 0Arc User
edited June 2013
Okay you know what lets forget the whole Drow as evil thing for a moment. I would rather ask do we NEED another Race? Personally I think we need more classes worse than adding the Drow.
Ever ask a halfling to watch over your stuff while you visit the privy? Was it there when you returned?
As an old DnD player, yes back from the small paperbacks (I was quite young then admittedly but yes this still means I'm old :P), and a hardcore Drow fan. I can only say I will relish destroying the Drizzt fan punks, wannabe Drow fans, in pvp every chance I get! Looking forward to this addition to the game!
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Drow...a force for good? Really? Seriously? :rolleyes: Has this game sunk to that already? I guess the 666 levels of the Abyss will just be one giant day care center for adventurers who have kids, huh? Sigh. I knew a real successor to NWN was too good to be true.
According to 3rd edition lore, Lolth's own daughter is chaotic good. Drow are just elves. They are not inherently evil anymore then other elves are inherently good.
That is the reason I loved forgotten realms so much. The color of an elf's skin has no more an impact on his alignment then the color of his eyes.
Oh, and I will be rolling a Drow for sure. Only question is if I will wait for a new class or not before I do it... Ideally I would want a Drow twin weapon ranger, but it might be a long time before we get to create one of those. ^^
According to 3rd edition lore, Lolth's own daughter is chaotic good. Drow are just elves. They are not inherently evil anymore then other elves are inherently good.
That is the reason I loved forgotten realms so much. The color of an elf's skin has no more an impact on his alignment then the color of his eyes.
You might be getting confused with Eberron. Forgotten Realms sticks to the standard 3rd ed lore that Drow are usually Chaotic Evil or Neutral Evil.
You get exceptions, such as those who worship Lolth's Daughter, or Drizzt. But these are exceptions.
A lot of the good/evil bit is based more upon the culture. Drow culture is very much evil. That is not to say every single drow is evil or that every settlement is either. Just like goblins and orcs are not inherently evil as well. Take a baby orc, raise it in a 'good' human town, it might run into some hardship and prejudice, but most likely he/she will be relatively good. Same with the drow. Raise a human in a drow city, most likely it will be dead...or evil. *laughs* So, yes, the vast majority of drow are evil because mom was evil, dad was evil. Next door neighbor was evil, that weird eyed kid down the road was evil, etc. Just like most Americans act well American because we grew amongst American culture. Unlike demons and angels, they are mortal, so alignment is not something 'born' to them.
Okay so sub variant of Elves. Thats nice and all but I want the Gnome race back, which is actually one of the core races of DnD instead of Drow. (yes I know they are not in the player HB 1 in 4th)
The original boxed set Menzoberranzan does a great job of explaining the Drow culture of forgotten realms and why they have such a bent towards chaotic evil.
I can't help but wonder how many of the drizzt fans know that even RA has tried to kill Drizzt a few times, but the only reason it's not made it to print is because his editors won't allow it as Drizzt sells so many books. The off shoots from the original story line, that focus on Drizzt, he was even pressured into. ~ truth ~ get a chance to speak with him at a con some time and he'll tell ya. by all rights Drizzt was supposed to have died in the second book and should have.
Gygax put a lot into the creation of the Drow, ultimate villan, and their society and societal make up.
The original boxed set Menzoberranzan does a great job of explaining the Drow culture of forgotten realms and why they have such a bent towards chaotic evil.
I can't help but wonder how many of the drizzt fans know that even RA has tried to kill Drizzt a few times, but the only reason it's not made it to print is because his editors won't allow it as Drizzt sells so many books. The off shoots from the original story line, that focus on Drizzt, he was even pressured into. ~ truth ~ get a chance to speak with him at a con some time and he'll tell ya. by all rights Drizzt was supposed to have died in the second book and should have.
Gygax put a lot into the creation of the Drow, ultimate villan, and their society and societal make up.
Hate to sound like everybody's grandpa but I wish drow had never been made a playable race. As you say, they were designed as ultimate villains, which makes them a boring, OP choice for player characters.
(And a boring choice for protagonists of fantasy books too, but that's off topic.)
Sorry if this was covered, but after 7 pages of debate about drow being good or evil in a game that has not implemented alignment and has no dm client to run a campaign, i had to skip...
Can someone tell me the differentiation between the 'Unique Drow' Us heros have and the new drow? they look almost identical except our fire is a buff for us and thiers is a debuff for the enemy...
The original boxed set Menzoberranzan does a great job of explaining the Drow culture of forgotten realms and why they have such a bent towards chaotic evil.
Too bad their society sounds WAY more Lawful Evil than anything, what with all the rigid class stratifications and persnickety obsession with hierarchical status and power...
I can't help but wonder how many of the drizzt fans know that even RA has tried to kill Drizzt a few times, but the only reason it's not made it to print is because his editors won't allow it as Drizzt sells so many books. The off shoots from the original story line, that focus on Drizzt, he was even pressured into. ~ truth ~ get a chance to speak with him at a con some time and he'll tell ya. by all rights Drizzt was supposed to have died in the second book and should have.
Drizzt Do'Urden: the Dragonball Z of FR? :P
Gygax put a lot into the creation of the Drow, ultimate villan, and their society and societal make up.
...and as usual the result doesn't make much sense or even look terribly viable in the circumstances it's been given. If nothing else they kill each other WAY too much for it to be demographically sustainable considering they're not too much faster breeders than the surface Elves...
For "ultimate villains" they also sure live in such remote and inconvenient places as to realistically be well-nigh irrelevant to the surfacers - who tend to have an awful lot more immediate threats right next door anyway. A Drow raid once a century is meaningless compared to the kinds of trouble Orcish and Goblinoid tribes living in the nearby hills make regularly, not to mention good old-fashioned 'friendly disputes' with your human neighbors and whatnots settled the traditional way with armies and ravaging the countryside.
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Also note the "race tab" page is awful... no stats for some races (dwarf?), half orcs and halflings are entirely missing, etc. It needs to be updated badly!
Max level is 60.
Available companions are the same. If you bought the Hero Founder pack, you get the Panther.
Available mounts are the same. You get the spider with the pack.
My Menzoberranzan Renegade (a.k.a. Drow) character uses the Vicious Dire Wolf companion and the Adventurer's Medium Horse (or whatever its official name is), both from the Guardian Founder pack (yes, I bought both Founder packs). The Dire Wolf has better AI, so it attacks faster (the Panther seems to hesitate before deciding to attack) and it has an attack that interrupts the enemy. And I think the horse is a better mount for a humanoid hero character -- I'd only use the spider for a monster-race character.
You mean Driszzit, and Drizzzzt, and Drizit
Why do people keep thinking they're playing AD&D? There are colonies and populations of neutral/good aligned Drow in 4th ed. There is a whole neighborhood of them in Waterdeep. They are allowed to openly worship Corellon now (because he took on his daughter's portfolio) and recently I discovered there's even an epic destiny that allows your character to be redemeed and turned back into a Dark Elf.
Also you run into the PC Population fallacy for D&D. It consists on thinking that the PC Population must represent the whole setting's population (aka the grand majority of characters should be human then, being a small minority elves, dwarves, halflings and whatever). PCs are always the exception and they consist on a small minority of people that happen to be adventurers.
An adventurer can be anyone, since it's always someone EXTRAordinary, you know... uncommon.
- Titania Silverblade, the Iron Rose of Myth Drannor (Lvl 60 GWF, Destroyer)
- Gwyneth, the Cowardly Cat Burglar Drowling (Lvl 60 TR, Saboteur)
- Lady Rowanne Firehair, Heartwarder of Sune (Lvl 33 DC)
- Satella, Sensate (LvL 44 CW, Renegade, Non-Active)
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By all thats holy THANK GOD! THIS! THIS! A THOUSAND TIMES THIS!
I have been trying for *decades* to get this across to people...
I don't care how beloved the lore is(and I love that lore as much as you do!)...things change...they *must* change. Else what's the point? Should the drow *all* turn into shiny happy people? Of course not...but this false notion that having a decent sized number of good drow somehow flies in the face of "Good" FR Lord is plain ridiculous. I don't care how depraved a culture is, exposure to other cultures, *will* over time affect change. We should always have the spider loving, female dominated evil drow we know and love...but things have to change, and an increasing number of good drow...especially once they find each other and start helping others to survive...it's flat out common sense.
As if it's impossible to have a valid character concept for a good drow that isn't a drizzt clone....as if those raised in a culture never behave outside the norms of said culture...with *many* even adopting *rival* cultures beliefs!
There's a drow on the tab, but no halfling.
Hilarious.
Oh, he's there. You just can't see him.
+1
He's there on the bottom left, it can only can be viewed if you have purchased the "Package."
According to 3rd edition lore, Lolth's own daughter is chaotic good. Drow are just elves. They are not inherently evil anymore then other elves are inherently good.
That is the reason I loved forgotten realms so much. The color of an elf's skin has no more an impact on his alignment then the color of his eyes.
Oh, and I will be rolling a Drow for sure. Only question is if I will wait for a new class or not before I do it... Ideally I would want a Drow twin weapon ranger, but it might be a long time before we get to create one of those. ^^
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You get exceptions, such as those who worship Lolth's Daughter, or Drizzt. But these are exceptions.
I can't help but wonder how many of the drizzt fans know that even RA has tried to kill Drizzt a few times, but the only reason it's not made it to print is because his editors won't allow it as Drizzt sells so many books. The off shoots from the original story line, that focus on Drizzt, he was even pressured into. ~ truth ~ get a chance to speak with him at a con some time and he'll tell ya. by all rights Drizzt was supposed to have died in the second book and should have.
Gygax put a lot into the creation of the Drow, ultimate villan, and their society and societal make up.
Hate to sound like everybody's grandpa but I wish drow had never been made a playable race. As you say, they were designed as ultimate villains, which makes them a boring, OP choice for player characters.
(And a boring choice for protagonists of fantasy books too, but that's off topic.)
What deity does Drizzt worship anyway?
What Class Are You?
Drizzt worships Mielikki.
Yes but which one? The open beta launch or the live launch?
Can someone tell me the differentiation between the 'Unique Drow' Us heros have and the new drow? they look almost identical except our fire is a buff for us and thiers is a debuff for the enemy...
Drizzt Do'Urden: the Dragonball Z of FR? :P
...and as usual the result doesn't make much sense or even look terribly viable in the circumstances it's been given. If nothing else they kill each other WAY too much for it to be demographically sustainable considering they're not too much faster breeders than the surface Elves...
For "ultimate villains" they also sure live in such remote and inconvenient places as to realistically be well-nigh irrelevant to the surfacers - who tend to have an awful lot more immediate threats right next door anyway. A Drow raid once a century is meaningless compared to the kinds of trouble Orcish and Goblinoid tribes living in the nearby hills make regularly, not to mention good old-fashioned 'friendly disputes' with your human neighbors and whatnots settled the traditional way with armies and ravaging the countryside.
Module 1 release today, still don't see any drow.
Unfortunately, the live launch.
Module 1 didn't release yesterday, Game went live, get your facts correct.