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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    YEA I wish they would drop more often. It rather sad when my 3 characters have doing River have all practically gotten 2 boons unlocked, purchased the weapons... And just today I finally got enough writings despite having all other MATS on all 3 characters for restoring all 3 mainhand and offhand weapons EXCEPT the fact that I've only got 1/4 to 1/5 of the total overall writings required.

    As a result I choose on 2 characters to simply RESTORE 2 MAINHAND weapons on my Paladin and Hunter Ranger yet both still require almost another 50 writings to restore the offhand and my Wizard had to give up all her writings just so the first two had enough to restore just the mainhand.

    I certainly not expecting a huge drop rate increase... but it be NICE if they did increase the rewards for SECURE THE DISTRICT to be increased from 1 to 2 Arcane Writings at least and/or slightly increasing the DROP RATE.
  • tgwolftgwolf Member Posts: 501 Arc User

    tgwolf said:



    Yesterday:

    250 HEs

    8 AMW

    Day before:

    183 HEs

    9 AMW

    You got exceedingly lucky and your luck =/= a lack of an issue.

    Since you did so many HE, I assume and I hope you visited the seal dealer many times.
    Of course I did, it still does nothing to fix or offset the abysmal drop rate.

    None of the equipment gets salvaged until 2x AD and no-one with any sense is going to pay more than 3k per AMW.

    Meanwhile over here I'm drowning in Arcanic Focus that has zero purpose beyond 85 and I can't even sell it.

    At least swap the Weekly reward AF to 10 AMW or something.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    strathkin said:

    YEA I wish they would drop more often. It rather sad when my 3 characters have doing River have all practically gotten 2 boons unlocked, purchased the weapons... And just today I finally got enough writings despite having all other MATS on all 3 characters for restoring all 3 mainhand and offhand weapons EXCEPT the fact that I've only got 1/4 to 1/5 of the total overall writings required.

    As a result I choose on 2 characters to simply RESTORE 2 MAINHAND weapons on my Paladin and Hunter Ranger yet both still require almost another 50 writings to restore the offhand and my Wizard had to give up all her writings just so the first two had enough to restore just the mainhand.

    I certainly not expecting a huge drop rate increase... but it be NICE if they did increase the rewards for SECURE THE DISTRICT to be increased from 1 to 2 Arcane Writings at least and/or slightly increasing the DROP RATE.

    If it is not too late, I would suggest you to get one set complete for one toon instead of half set complete for 2 toons.
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  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    tgwolf said:

    tgwolf said:



    Yesterday:

    250 HEs

    8 AMW

    Day before:

    183 HEs

    9 AMW

    You got exceedingly lucky and your luck =/= a lack of an issue.

    Since you did so many HE, I assume and I hope you visited the seal dealer many times.
    Of course I did, it still does nothing to fix or offset the abysmal drop rate.

    None of the equipment gets salvaged until 2x AD and no-one with any sense is going to pay more than 3k per AMW.

    Meanwhile over here I'm drowning in Arcanic Focus that has zero purpose beyond 85 and I can't even sell it.

    At least swap the Weekly reward AF to 10 AMW or something.
    Since you have a bad drop rate, I suggest you forget about HE and just do secure the district for 100% drop rate.
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  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,111 Arc User
    edited June 2017

    tgwolf said:

    tgwolf said:



    Yesterday:

    250 HEs

    8 AMW

    Day before:

    183 HEs

    9 AMW

    You got exceedingly lucky and your luck =/= a lack of an issue.

    Since you did so many HE, I assume and I hope you visited the seal dealer many times.
    Of course I did, it still does nothing to fix or offset the abysmal drop rate.

    None of the equipment gets salvaged until 2x AD and no-one with any sense is going to pay more than 3k per AMW.

    Meanwhile over here I'm drowning in Arcanic Focus that has zero purpose beyond 85 and I can't even sell it.

    At least swap the Weekly reward AF to 10 AMW or something.
    Since you have a bad drop rate, I suggest you forget about HE and just do secure the district for 100% drop rate.
    This 100% - I took @plasticbat's advice and got enough AMW for 2 toons in about 3 weeks without too much grind (well still a fair bit). You can easily get 6+ AMW per hour.

    I left 2-3 DPS toons in a location where you could easily get 15 kills easily and quickly - that got me an AMW/toon every second day just from doing invokes (cause I'd run around and quickly kill 10-15 mobs).

    Don't get me wrong, I still hate those things, but for me killing the 100 mobs was a lot better than the running the ship HE and getting nothing
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017

    tgwolf said:

    tgwolf said:



    Yesterday:

    250 HEs

    8 AMW

    Day before:

    183 HEs

    9 AMW

    You got exceedingly lucky and your luck =/= a lack of an issue.

    Since you did so many HE, I assume and I hope you visited the seal dealer many times.
    Of course I did, it still does nothing to fix or offset the abysmal drop rate.

    None of the equipment gets salvaged until 2x AD and no-one with any sense is going to pay more than 3k per AMW.

    Meanwhile over here I'm drowning in Arcanic Focus that has zero purpose beyond 85 and I can't even sell it.

    At least swap the Weekly reward AF to 10 AMW or something.
    Since you have a bad drop rate, I suggest you forget about HE and just do secure the district for 100% drop rate.
    Yea this is by FAR a major problem despite 'a few' suggesting the drop rate is fine. As the previous person in a reply 2 or 3 message above tgwolf, "paying more than 3k per Arcane Writing" is well just sad as you should be able to acquire them with reasonable effort as even ground jade is acquired at a far lessor cost with 40 going for about 10k at EPIC quality...

    Now in this message he stated he did close to 250 HE's at got 8 Writing the next day 183 to get 9. Still I would not want to know how long it took him to do that cause that would take me a week or more being lucky if I did more than 10-20 HE's per hour.

    I started this thread only asking for a 'slight increase' to the drop rate which some have disagreed despite them dropping extremely rarely... often many never see more than 3 in a single day but no one has confirmed their is a daily limit and others outright deny that occurs.

    Still I can only PRAY that CRYPTIC FIXES THIS so they drop a little more often or at the very least Securing the District earns you a little more like 1-3 randomly from each chest so it not take quite so long.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    Seems I just thankfully had 1 or 2 friends who must have horseshoes or far better luck earning them than me or a few others. Cause I've thankfully been given like close to 65 AMW to at least help speed me getting there a little quicker thankfully.

    But still I completely SAD for so many given the amount of TIME it takes to earn them... And this is not even close to how crazy it is apparently for RELIC weapons which is far worse. Cryptic could take off the horns and add a few o:) to their teams.

    <3
    Post edited by strathkin on
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    I bought well over 100 AMW to get the set for four toons on the last double-RP. Probably cost me nearly 1 million AD. I am slowly recouping that cost now. I'm sure lots of other people did the same. This is probably by design, grind you rass off or buy your way out of it.

    It's not only well-geared people benefiting. You don't have to be well-geared to do the ship HE zergs.

  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017

    I bought well over 100 AMW to get the set for four toons on the last double-RP. Probably cost me nearly 1 million AD. I am slowly recouping that cost now. I'm sure lots of other people did the same. This is probably by design, grind you rass off or buy your way out of it.

    It's not only well-geared people benefiting. You don't have to be well-geared to do the ship HE zergs.

    Oh I certainly agree when ship comes even a lower GS player can possibly earn 1 writing possibly... although they rarely drop and with ship you can get as many as 2 which has yet to happen to me yet despite the countless ones I've done.

    Still I think they should increase the drop rate. Having cleared docks, restored commerce, established trade routes, earned 2 of 3 boons in campaign, and even purchased the weapons and having enough of all MATS but only barely 1/4 of the required Arcane Writing it is well rather a bit disheartening... Despite dupeks claiming I'm trying to mislead.

    Someone above said they did 250 HE and got 8 Writing then did 174 or so and got 9. They said days which seems highly unlikely but perhaps he meant week instead. While I've certainly done a lot more DIGS most my toons barely earned between 20-30 Arcane Writing having searched out many treasures, probably done close to 150-200 DIGS so it's certainly close to what the person who said 250 he's alone got 8 or 9 and some of those were even earned when DIGS used to give double rewards which many farmed massively during that time.

    I guess my only point is... it rather sad you have all MATS but AMW, have earned 2 of 3 boons, cleared docks, restored commerce and even established trade routes yet still have so very much further to earning the weapons.
  • wizardlvl80#5963 wizardlvl80 Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    This is just pure lie with 424 HE and 17 AMW. This is like LOL. Can you please stop lying and just admit you are lazy and want everything for free or at minimum cost? This is an MMO game - nothing's for free. No one and I repeat - NO ONE complained about AMW drop, and actually people sell it cause it's easy to farm.

    Stop whining and start playing. If you would spend at least half of the time on killing mobs in RD that you spend writing these riddiculous posts about non existing problem, you would got your AMW a long time ago.

    People told you so many solutions and the easiest and non-rng based was killing mob in RD. You don't want to? Well, too bad. Your lack of AMW is basically your own fault.
  • wizardlvl80#5963 wizardlvl80 Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    Oh, and let me do some math for you with explaining why 250 HE is pure lie.

    Assuming you are either really high lvl dps, or you have done all of your 250 HE with party, let's say that one small HE takes 4min to farm. That's 250 HE x 4 minutes = 1000 minutes that gives you more than 16.5 hour. I haven't even considered the time to ride trough the map to another HE, switching instances and waiting for another HE to pop (they don't pop all the time).

    So you are basically saying (and beliving), that someone played 16.5 hours of RD HE and got 8 AMW while I get 4-6 within 30 minutes of grinding HE?
  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    I do not want to see a change as this is one of the best solo $ AD farms in the game.
  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    The OP is just stubborn; won't change his position, or even just drop the issue, after others present several solutions. The 8 AMW in 250 HE is just not believable. If it was remotely true, there wouldn't be so many people still doing the ship BE because it wouldn't be worth the time.
  • plasticbatplasticbat Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 12,456 Arc User
    I usually do RD daily for my toons, some weaker and some stronger. I always prefer to do RD daily as fast as possible so that I can switch to another toon or do something else. So, to get that 100% from RD daily, I would do one dungeon dig site (which never give me a AMW) 20% and at least one HE 20%. Dump magic to get 10%. Dump something to secure the dig site if possible. Do more HE if necessary. Doing ship if one pops. Killing "distinct" mob (that for sure will get secure the district point) if I pass by. Anyway, for completing the RD daily, I will get at least one AMW for each toon. And, I am not even talking about intentional AMW farming.
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  • dupeksdupeks Member Posts: 1,789 Arc User

    I usually do RD daily for my toons, some weaker and some stronger. I always prefer to do RD daily as fast as possible so that I can switch to another toon or do something else. So, to get that 100% from RD daily, I would do one dungeon dig site (which never give me a AMW) 20% and at least one HE 20%. Dump magic to get 10%. Dump something to secure the dig site if possible. Do more HE if necessary. Doing ship if one pops. Killing "distinct" mob (that for sure will get secure the district point) if I pass by. Anyway, for completing the RD daily, I will get at least one AMW for each toon. And, I am not even talking about intentional AMW farming.

    This is pretty much how I did it. I've also found that it's helpful to switch instances, aiming for lower populations, because you'll find more mobs and usually don't have to wait for HEs to respawn.
    niadan said:

    I do not want to see a change as this is one of the best solo $ AD farms in the game.

    And this is why I think it would be really tragic if the devs did make it easier to obtain AWM from just HE grinding. Because that would drop the value. It's also easier to afk farm / be shady about HEs than it is to do that for the other methods suggested. Keep the mechanism as it was intended and adjust your play-style. It would be a shame if they ruined one of the few good mechanisms they have for legit solo grind.
  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    It amazes me the divide between various MMO players. You have those that are always BIS (or striving to be) and always making $ and those that just want a hand out. It is really amazing when the path to what the second group wants is plainly laid out by those in the first group. Yet we are more often than not labeled elitist jerks.
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  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    I can fairly respect people after today @dupeks admitted to me that the real reason after claiming I was first misrepresenting facts was he did not want the Arcane Magical Writings to be devalued. While I disagree with that assessment as someone had earlier posted about it, it is still one never-the-less I told him I can and very much respect.

    I will always say I'm one of the most fair people who post on the forum and sometimes yes even argue devil's advocate on a few occasions... to discover the reason why people really feel about a specific issue.

    Still I was never part of the group who originally in large numbers asked for an increase to Arcanic Focus despite many having done so. Also even in this request I only simply originally asked for a 'slight increase' to drop rate 5-10% and given that the drop from an HE from other testimonials in this very thread it's likely only currently 5% currently from Digs, HE's, and Treasure Maps.

    Increasing this to 10% would not significantly reduce the value of Arcane Magical Writings but what is true however is it might make earning them just a little bit easier for those who are putting in a lot of hard work they may require buying less... That in and of itself is the other reason some may not like it.

    Ultimately though neither side of the argument gets to decide:
    Still I think having unlocked cleared the docks, restore commerce, establish trade, purchased both weapons, having earned 2 of 3 boons in campaign. The fact someone doing River on a Character would have barely earned 1/4 of the Writings required despite having virtually every other MAT required...

    This is well something I HOPE at Cryptic considers both sides if they re-evaluate this.

    @nitocris83 @strumslinger @terramak
  • beckylunaticbeckylunatic Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 14,231 Arc User
    Your tendency to cherrypick specific details to sink your teeth into that superficially support your positions while ignoring the broader ramifications of any effort to converse with you is hardly a sign of your open mind.
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  • wintersmokewintersmoke Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User

    Oh, and let me do some math for you with explaining why 250 HE is pure lie.

    Assuming you are either really high lvl dps, or you have done all of your 250 HE with party, let's say that one small HE takes 4min to farm. That's 250 HE x 4 minutes = 1000 minutes that gives you more than 16.5 hour. I haven't even considered the time to ride trough the map to another HE, switching instances and waiting for another HE to pop (they don't pop all the time).

    So you are basically saying (and beliving), that someone played 16.5 hours of RD HE and got 8 AMW while I get 4-6 within 30 minutes of grinding HE?

    RNGeezus does not love us, he only says that to get in our pants.
  • wintersmokewintersmoke Member Posts: 1,641 Arc User
    niadan said:

    It amazes me the divide between various MMO players. You have those that are always BIS (or striving to be) and always making $ and those that just want a hand out. It is really amazing when the path to what the second group wants is plainly laid out by those in the first group. Yet we are more often than not labeled elitist jerks.

    It is not the striving to be the best that incite the label "elitist jerks"... we are all striving to be the best. The problem arises when game managers make changes to allow newer players to play catch up to players that have had years to grind their way up to BIS. It is the cries of "I had to grind for SO LONG to get X/Y/Z... you can't make it easier NOW!" that leads to the "elitist jerks" comments.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017

    Your tendency to cherrypick specific details to sink your teeth into that superficially support your positions while ignoring the broader ramifications of any effort to converse with you is hardly a sign of your open mind.

    I disagree Beckylunatic. I still think you aren't really a lunatic! I clearly openly admitted that I found it a bit hard to believe the RNG claims of only 8 AMW from 250 HE's... I'm sure it's possible to happen cause at different times some people have unlucky streaks while others have extremely lucky streaks with RNG as wintersmoke denoted above.

    Still I even stated earlier there seemed to be something a little off with the comment about 8 AMW from 250 HE in a day cause that fact alone let me to question if he meant week rather than day. I've done about 250-350 Treasures, Digs and HE's in total while adventuring in River on each of one character which got me about 20-30 AMW some I earned even while getting double dig's...

    NOTE: being an honest and fair player I even reported that fact to the CM & DEV team. Still I think AMW should be increased slightly.

    Cause having Cleared Docks, Restored Commerce, Established Trade Routes, Purchased both Weapons, Earned Gyrion and Nostura Boon's you should not have all the required MATS and still only have 1/4 of the AMW required thru game play... I've only earned more thru purchasing them at great expense or a few friends helping to provide a few after some have earned a few extra on the characters they mostly play.

    I stand by the fact they should increase 2 AMW to Secure the District or Improve Drop rates slightly! The vast majority who disagree are purely interested in keeping the cost of AMW higher which is also equally their right to do. But I am not misrepresent the facts that I've made about my direct claims... I may reference others but I can not confirm or deny the validity of their claims only my own.

    And saying that I have not been grinding hard for 3+ years in this game to get a few of my characters to greater than 11.5k simply because I think AMW needs to be increased 'slightly' would be nothing further from the TRUTH.

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  • namelesshero347namelesshero347 Member Posts: 2,109 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    strathkin said:


    I stand by the fact they should increase 2 AMW to Secure the District or Improve Drop rates slightly!

    That's not a fact, that's just your opinion.

    And why do you keep insisting that all mats should be accumulated at about the same rate? Do you know what the game designers were thinking? Could it be possible that each mat has its purpose? The arcane focus is purely a minimum-grind/time gate. Lots of people complained because they were looking at a 2-4 months or more of grinding just to get a set that is not even BiS. Very unreasonable.

    The AMW looks to be a grind-or-pay gate. Grind if you can tolerate it. Otherwise buy them, they are widely available for purchase due to other people getting a good supply of them. Being able to farm them for profit keeps people busy and the servers populated. Looks like a pretty good design to me.
  • niadanniadan Member Posts: 1,635 Arc User
    Fact remains that I and several others have given a solid, verifiable, guaranteed way to earn AMW for use or profit.
  • lantern22lantern22 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,111 Arc User

    Oh, and let me do some math for you with explaining why 250 HE is pure lie.

    Assuming you are either really high lvl dps, or you have done all of your 250 HE with party, let's say that one small HE takes 4min to farm. That's 250 HE x 4 minutes = 1000 minutes that gives you more than 16.5 hour. I haven't even considered the time to ride trough the map to another HE, switching instances and waiting for another HE to pop (they don't pop all the time).

    So you are basically saying (and beliving), that someone played 16.5 hours of RD HE and got 8 AMW while I get 4-6 within 30 minutes of grinding HE?

    At one stage I had 150+ Arcane Focus and less than 8 Arcane Magical Writings. My RNG was so bad with HE's and the Ship, I just gave up and did kill mobs grind.
  • strathkinstrathkin Member Posts: 1,798 Arc User
    edited June 2017
    To be HONEST despite the fact I respect people who are HONEST when they claim they don't want Arcane Writing drop rate increased cause they like the fact they've found a nice way to make an easy 10k AD. If you have 3-5 toons there are FAR MORE EASY WAYS to simply doing just dungeons, skirmishes and then salvaging gear to earn your 36k AD per toon per day.

    I yesterday partied with a friend in River and if this isn't a far better example then I don't know what is:
    She has cleared the docks, restored commerce, established trade routes, purchased both Aboleth Weaspons (as had I), but unlike me earned the frist 3 (I have earned 2) but then yesterday unlocked the 4th (which the final is usually the best), and has even unlocked Master Spell Plague.

    Now Despite ALL that adventuring that is required in River District she has virtually (just like me) virtually all of the required MATS for both weapons. Now she has restored her offhand Talisman which ate most of the Writings she had earned but she is still 65 Magical Writings away from being able to Restore her mainhand weapon. This despite having completed virtually every other campaign task and still 65 AMW away!

    Like honestly PEOPLE the drop rate is DISMAL yet still I only opened asking for a 'slight increase' cause clearly as Becklunatic claims I've lost my mind! Although she and a few others would say it's because I'm asking to improve the chances of you getting them which I'll regret once I get my weapons--no I won't.

    WHY: Well because I can earn AD far faster doing Dungeons, Skirmishes and also collecting salvage faster across my 5 toons. Spend an hour or two to earn 1-3 writings is up to if your real lucky 30k granted... but a huge time investment for maybe 10k and if your really lucky 30k. Sure if you've depleted all your refinement your far better to do IG Skirmish and farm Companion Gear for often 5-10k on AH and some even go as high as 30k for 10-15min. So even if I had all my River Weapons which I do not I'd still be happy to know others were not being forced to spend literally hundreds of hours just for the HOPE of earning their weapons. IF relief doesn't come now maybe it will in MOD 12 cause you'll then be able to buy unrestored RELIC armor for protector seals and for 15 seals buy various MATS.

    I just find this whole thing silly kind of like the 4th boon token in underdark which almost never drops, I only earned it on one character to this day despite a lot of skirmishes having been completed. Then you finally have to break down and just spent 50k to the one person who managed to get an extra one.
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  • wizardlvl80#5963 wizardlvl80 Member Posts: 519 Arc User
    No matter how many text you will write here, everyone already know you're a lazy guy and you want things for free.

    Today I did 30mins in RD of doing small HE and got 6 AMW. Easy 50k AD for me.

    Do you realize that unlocking things in campaign doesn't have anything in common with drop rate? Clear the docks and all this stuff don't matter.

    The fact that you still didn't got your AMW in a month since you opened this thread just shows that you don't farm them. Tell me please what are you SPECIFICALLY doing to obtain them, huh? Are you doing stuff that people said you to do? Are you killing the mobs to grind secure the district quickly?

    And don't you dare to judge people who are selling AMW for AD. Don't blame anyone for your own incapability of obtaining things in this game. If you are so bad in farming it, go do dungeons and buy AMW for AD.


    And the fact you belive in 250 HE and 8 AMW just shows how delusional you are. Are you seriously thinking that during almost 17 hours of farming RD got only 8 of them? LOL. Imagine how many times you could do Secure The District task during these 17 hours and how many AMW you could obtain in that time. In FREAKING 17 HOURS.

    Yes, you are deluded, because you are picking things that only suit your mad theory and are blind on solutions people brought to you.

    @nitocris83 @zebular I think it's time to close this thread. OP got tons of solutions and he's not even wanting to do them. He just wants you give him his AMW for free.
  • zebularzebular Member, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 15,270 Community Moderator
    Closing this up now as it is 86 posts of circular comments. I strongly suggest to heed the advice of the established and reputable people here that gave you advice in which was dismissed.
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