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[PC] Mod 16 PvE Washed Up Fighter Tank Guide
rjc9000
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Washed Up Tanking Guide (Tank)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQerljT25qzzA1U-RNRG1zF46pJogJN2tArmCJqMDx8Hjm4a0JRE7CS6-4YwkNd_niDFMigp79vl4FP/pub
Pretend to Deal Damage Guide (DPS)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTgeod1nAm-oRvhgu4yThBVc3rf4UBr-DF9hZQB7s4wcAidtTZRAEtWft8mUG7ye574V9JIXmUgTILA/pub
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Washed Up Tanking Guide (Tank)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vQerljT25qzzA1U-RNRG1zF46pJogJN2tArmCJqMDx8Hjm4a0JRE7CS6-4YwkNd_niDFMigp79vl4FP/pub
Pretend to Deal Damage Guide (DPS)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTgeod1nAm-oRvhgu4yThBVc3rf4UBr-DF9hZQB7s4wcAidtTZRAEtWft8mUG7ye574V9JIXmUgTILA/pub
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Big shoutouts to @thefabricant for his maths skills and fact checking as well as @michela123 for her grammar OCD as well as her debuff spreadsheets!
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(And, yes, the MS Paint quality art/punctuation is intentional, sue me).
Who lets themselves be held back by common sense?
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I used to roll with a guildie who had a Dwarf GF. You know the Dragonflight dragons (or dragons period?) and how they have that gust attack which blows you away?
When both me (human GF) and my old guildie (dwarf) were trying to back away with no shield, we both were sent flying by the wing buffet.
When we actually decided to hold our shields, we both got knocked back a couple of feet away from the dragon.
I quicklly rolled onto preview just to test this. Rolled my testing GF as a Dwarf and went to the Tedium of the Dragons heralds.
I kept getting pushed back by all of their attacks. Granted, it might actually "work", but the benefit, if it actually works, is so tiny that I can't seem to notice it.
(it says 20% Knockback resistance, but lolcryptictooltips and I seem to get knocked back quite a bit whenever I'm hit with an attack that pushes me, even behind my shield).
Of all in your guide my favourite was the cartoon of the CW jumping in to save the GF..... Went straight on our guild FB page.....you know who you are guildies....... yes I'm looking at YOU.!!!
Keep it up mate
Technicalities aside, I put it there because I knew someone would understand that I meant "DPSers stop standing in the red zones".
XD
Also, @romotheone, it's DEFINETLY not what you're thinking.
<_<
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There might be hope for the Tankadins.
I haven't seen to what extent Binding Oath/Bubble/Vow did to the Tankadin's viability, but unless they're literally bugged so they don't work, I feel that people are over-reacting to these nerfs.
However, I could be wrong. Perhaps I walk into CN on my tankadin and get oneshotted by the first boss with shield up and a full bar of TempHP.
-_-
Bubble-spam is dead, but on the plus side... Paladins actually have things that generate aggro now! (Binding Oath)
\o/
We probably are, but we as a class dont have anyone that can take it apart and figure out how it works. You were the last person to put a good quality comprehensive guide for paladins and then you moved to a cw. Since then no one else has picked up the slack and the rest are so disgruntled by the recent nerfs that I think a lot will abandon ship. I myself am pretty pissed off, but I dont want to jump ship until there is no hope. Unfortunately im not as well versed in nwo mechanics or math to figure out how the newest changes to the tankadin really affect it, and I'm still at mid-end ilvl 2,754.
@rjc9000: You suggest using Azures in defensive slots so how do you get to 140k HP without using Radiants? I have all the HP boons and slot Radiants in defensive slots while putting all my available points into CON but still my HP is only 128k.
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I think I said to use Azures in your companion's defensive slots.
I might have suggested to run Azures in your character's slots mostly so you can get up to the 95% DR needed. Once you're done with the 95% DR, you can start putting in the Darks/Radiants/Savages to buff up your HP/lifesteal.
Keep in mind that I was running with a legendary Dancing Shield with Rank12 Bondingss and 1 piece of Loyal Defender, so that took care of my DR issues. As I had the 95% DR necessary from my pet alone, I was able to run Savages in all of my character's defensive slots. Since you might be running a pet with lower ranked Bondings and/or less Defense Slots than I am (ex: Rust Monster or Harper Bard), you might have to readjust your build to get to 95% DR (which is, in my opinion, more important than trying to get to 140,000 or more HP unless you're sitting at 93-94.5% DR, which is nearly the same thing in my eyes).
In addition, I was running VIP (pretty sure you have that), two artifacts with HP bonuses, a CON belt (adds some extra HP, both from the CON Bonus as well as HP from the belt), as well as the +8000 HP Mount bonus. Combine these with Toughness (gives extra HP in accordance with your gear) and I think that's why I was able to get to get a large amount of HP without sacrificing my DR. I think it's a problem to my end: I was making some small changes, but I didn't put the "publish as I update" option due to not wanting someone to see my guide while it was being worked on (I was fixing something with the table of contents). I'll republish it this morning and it should hopefully work.
EDIT: After a republish, the link seemed to work fine, although I mostly test these things via Laptop/PC. I don't own a smartphone, so I am not sure if it's a smartphone thing or if it was because my guide was under maintenance.
So seeing as 95% DR is the new benchmark I might as well get the Dancing Shield. There was some debate about companions with 3 defensive slots no longer being useful in Mod 10 but that is moot now. I don't have 3 R12 Bondings on my GF (well I do have but I don't send them over to him), he only uses regular Bondings.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
The most important thing in life is to be yourself. Unless you can be Batman. Always be Batman.
I use a similar build with a few differences but i have few questions.
1. Why you dont invest "United" feat? It's buged? I dont see icon this feat and i realy dont know it's work or not.
2. "Crushing Pin" work only on you or for all patry?
3. Commander’s Strike maybe this buff work but in orcus sometimes there are problems. I remember when i try use this skill on this boss and every few seconds I losing agro. Maybe it's a good skill but i think not on this one boss.
4. Are you sure the stronghold weap is the best (i ask because i dont know), twisted is weak but this new eq is very good. (You know maybe where i can find information how get this weapon, what i need etc.?)
5. Which enhancement is the best for weap for you?
6. About ending stat like 95% DR, 140HP, 10k rec it's stat with bonding? 95% is somethink like 30k def so if you have 30k def you can still get 140k HP, but LS/recovery/deflect was very low.
I think it's all my questions.
Best I read since long.
I thought that new weaponset is BIS, a lot of folk tested it and the base damage beats your twisted powerbonus in terms of damage..that´s what I heared.
For companions: it's not that the 3x Defense slots are superior, I am happening to look at the Dancing Shield from an overall perspective.
I chose the Dancing Shield, as 3x Defense slots makes it easier for me to not have to commit Azures to Defense, it has the best damage increasing debuff of any companion in the game right now (but it doesn't stack), it once had cheap slots (Loyal Commander belts used to be like less than 10K before Gateway died), and the fact that I was able to thematically name the companion after my favorite series.
You can always pick the Harper Bard or any of the other companions which have different slots, but you need to evaluate on what each companion can bring to the table versus another companion, as well as how you would have to adjust your build around the slots or lack of slots. This is why my guide isn't always "specific" on what to get, as GFs can be fairly flexible on how they tank. Ideally, it shouldn't, but I swear the stupid thing has a huge hidden aggro modifier to its attacks.
Back when the KC set still was a set, I used 3x Loyal Commander since the KC set would proc on the shield and fill out the last remaining DR I needed to be at 95%. It still stole my aggro back in the day and I'm not sure why.
Also, one time, I ran with Sharp's DC, which used a Dancing Shield (he named his "Tanks Love Me". That should speak volumes of its aggro). Orcus literally never hit me, as he was ping-ponging between the two shields. 1. United doesn't show up on your buff-bars, that is true. I didn't pick United up because United is just bad: it just gives 5% DR to teammates, not a 5% mitigation source (credits to @michela123 for this test). 5% DR is worthless on the glass cannon classes (SW/TR/CW/most HRs/most DCs); they are better off stacking HP and/or Lifesteal to not die (unless they oddly have a large amount of DR). I also hear that DR a hopeless case if your name happens to be @thefabricant...
2. -10% damage resistance debuff on enemies for its duration, which applies to the entire team's attacks.
3. CS indeed gives a damage bonus to the team's Encounter Powers. It is good for buffing your team's damage and occasionally sneaking in some decent hits. As for your issues on aggro, I'm not sure why you're having issues on Orcus, perhaps it's a teammate's companion? Perhaps you're not pressing Enforced Threat and/or Aggravating Strike enough?
4. Well, the Stronghold set happens to be best for my particular build, as we're focused on buffing our allies and, in short, making our team more effective. The only set which does that is the Stronghold set. And good luck getting that Relic weapon, it costs a lot of Voninblod and other junk to make.
5. Well, there is no "best" weapon enchantment, as each has their pros and cons. I personally liked the T. Frost enchant, as it was easy to use, has a decent debuff, and I had one leftover from when T. Frost was broken. Glad to hear you liked it!
You're correct on the Relic versus Twisted argument. Relic provides higher DPS than Twisted. However, I included Twisted because it's not too hard to get, whereas getting Relic weapons is a huge pain.
But for our build, we're not too focused on dishing the pain, we're more focused on helping the team, and Stronghold does exactly that.
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Btw have you considered using Vampire's Craving Insignia Bonus?
As for the question about Vampire's Craving...
I found that Vampire's Craving is not that useful in the long run.
The way I see the Vampire bonuses, is that if you're lifestealing often, you're often going to patch yourself up to full HP and adding an extra bit of HP to the lifesteal won't really make that much of a difference between life or death (I am often Lifestealing for 25,000 or more HP per hit).
If your lifesteal is a tad low, you may not even make much use of the bonus to begin with. Plus, last I checked, the Vampire insignia bonus had an Internal cooldown, which further lessens the usefulness of this insignia bonus.
I chose Victim's and Champion's, primarily because they activate regardless of your lifesteal chance, as well as giving me some sustainability in the event that my Lifesteal hasn't kicked in and in the event I have no Fighter's Recovery.
Im starting to gear up my tank and he is currently using the Vorpal but my crit rate only sits around 30% so im thinking to switch.. I run 15 conq points for jagged blades, rest is all Tact tree, along with all hp/power/crit artifacts and some demo/lostm equipment.
My dps isnt too bad, certainly having fun with the super fast WMS so I think a dmg buffing enchantment like vorpal or feytouched might suit me better than a debuffer?