I think the point was believing nothing they released broke the game (players disagree). Natural Order was never released.
Badbotlimit is a producer, not a designer, therefore can't be credited(blamed) for creating anything, but oversees builds on a higher level.
not creating maybe but approving and white washing the whole thing in the podcast and natural order was never released based on comments feedback and tests my guildy sent him
ummmm Why are guildmarks causing disbalance >? I'm confused ??
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beckylunaticMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 14,231Arc User
Yes, Please Remove them ASAP.
He doesn't mean the currency, he means drains. They are called "mark of X drain". Just someone whose translation didn't get put into the common jargon.
This poll could be better if the responses were not so polarized. Feedback noted and passed on though.
I had the same exact thought, but since I absolutely, positively, and in all other ways, support the notion of removing these drains (and the wards) and the ambush ring completely from the game (not deprecating them, but simply deleting them completely), the very poorly worded alternative option didn't really matter to me.
On the Ambush ring - I could possibly see this as being acceptable if it's power is changed so it can only proc out of combat (which would make it more or less useless - which is fine by me since I'd prefer it be excised like the cancer it is).
But drains - no way - they were a terrible idea, a stretch attempt to make the SH market and buildings provide some value, but because they're only available to the top players in top Alliances, and won't be available to anyone else for a very long time, it was a drastic mistake that unbalanced an already very unbalanced PvP system.
Please, just hear the massive outcry of the vast majority of people that still bother playing PvP and remove these items. Don't wait around - PvP is already a hot steaming mess and these items are simply making it worse. A small minority will be upset when these are removed, but the vast majority of PvP players will be made very happy by this... please do it soon.
This poll is onesided because the overwhelming part of player, especially the ones dedicated towards PVP, disgust these drains rings and a lot more not onesided , no, only showing the general opinion imo
How much more people does it take to make it obvious we want these out of the game. We don't want them nerfed, we don't want them changed, toned down, we want them deleted off of everyones characters who uses them. You wanna go into stealth? Play a rogue. People want to rock different types of overload slots that aren't wards. I shouldn't have to go into PvP slotting wards every time. Its ridiculous.
I am not even gonna vote on this because if you think the answers are even relevant then your crazy. How about not outfitting level 14 toons with rank 12's? How about not creating bots so that you can get your pvp boons? Should I go on? The problem with pvp these days is it is all good as long as you don't have the disadvantage. You want good pvp? Everybody goes in with main and offhand only, only then will your pvp skills come through. All the other stuff is just complaining about why you don't have an advantage over one class or another, or how you spent all this time and money and some guy now has a ring that spoils your perma stealth build its useless. PVP should be about the quality of your build and your skill as a player versus another player. For as long as I have played this game Pvp has been broken because if it wasn't one thing it was another, class needs nerfing, gear needs nerfing, it goes on and on. Try playing it the way it was intended and honestly, no bots, no level 14 toons with 2.5k IL. I mean u want an honest game go in naked.
Don't remove the drains and don't nerf them. They are part of the game and there is nothing game breaking about them. It could be a problem if they didn't provide you with wards.
If your guild doesn't allow them then they just hate freedom. And that makes another point why on earth would anyone want to join a guild that prevented their players from using legitimate parts of the game?
If your guild doesn't allow drains/ambush then they are doing it wrong and you should find another place where they don't limit your game play. Everyone plays their own game.
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kalina311Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,082Arc User
Don't remove the drains and don't nerf them. They are part of the game and there is nothing game breaking about them. It could be a problem if they didn't provide you with wards.
If your guild doesn't allow them then they just hate freedom. And that makes another point why on earth would anyone want to join a guild that prevented their players from using legitimate parts of the game?
If your guild doesn't allow drains/ambush then they are doing it wrong and you should find another place where they don't limit your game play. Everyone plays their own game.
You got it wrong pal its the drains and ambush that are limiting game play !! everybody should be allowed a gun because you can buy bulletproof vests Right ?
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Or because some of these guilds who now "ban" drain usage. Used them with DC and pally groups to make SHS a joke.
Just let people play how they want to play. Instead of trying to lord over everyone by limiting them. Like I said if you are scared of drains slit a ward. If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision. Heck their is a good case for using the rosegold rings for the tenacity bump. Just depends on plays style and groups.
If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision.
Vision uptime is 33% at best, but more likely a lot less. Ambush is always on.
Trying to make a case for these as valid parts of the game is saying the devs never make mistakes. But track record is they misjudge how things will play out in a live setting all the time.
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Or because some of these guilds who now "ban" drain usage. Used them with DC and pally groups to make SHS a joke.
Just let people play how they want to play. Instead of trying to lord over everyone by limiting them. Like I said if you are scared of drains slit a ward. If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision. Heck their is a good case for using the rosegold rings for the tenacity bump. Just depends on plays style and groups.
I am not scared of anything forcing people to only to slots wards wastes all the time the developers spent on creating all the other overloads
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Yeah, please show us all how to "evolve" against Shocking Execution or other mega-damage one-shots without stamina.
Stamina drains and ambush rings in particular just destroy central game dynamics.
And yes, those of us who are in high-ranking guilds can just slot wards. Those who aren't? They get completely destroyed. Which makes stamina drains even uglier, because that explicitly makes them pug-stomping tools, used by players with no skill to destroy players who happen to not have access to them.
with Guild Alliances now this is not even an issue. The amount of people who have no access to drains or wards these days is so small its irrelevant. And those people can easily get into a guild that has that option in their alliance.
Unless some of the other alliances have rules about who can buy what ....... Which wouldnt surprise me since their are actual guilds who lord over their players like Stalin.
Still amazes me that resonable people enjoy being told what to do and how to play their toons by other players.
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Or because some of these guilds who now "ban" drain usage. Used them with DC and pally groups to make SHS a joke.
Just let people play how they want to play. Instead of trying to lord over everyone by limiting them. Like I said if you are scared of drains slit a ward. If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision. Heck their is a good case for using the rosegold rings for the tenacity bump. Just depends on plays style and groups.
I am not scared of anything forcing people to only to slots wards wastes all the time the developers spent on creating all the other overloads
wrong Ring of vision does NOT counter ring of stealth because it does not have 100% up time are you joking ?
I always have wards slotted I have no choice has nothing with be being lazy sir
different classes have differnt reliance on ap and stamina dont tell me stuff about being able to play around it lol
if they counter each other out why have any of them then ? this encourages no diversity in overloads at all
to the bold.... Using drains forces other players to adjust to you instead of you adjusting to them. If you are a ward slotter then you have decided to play that way. Which is a credit to you. If i am playing against someone i want to limit their choices and make them uncomfortable. Allowing them to use any overload doesnt do that at all. At least drains puts the pressure on them to think about it hard before slotting more deflect/power/defense/etc
You dont win by ensuring the other player is comfortable. you win by forcing them to adjust to you. And you have done that by making wards your base setup.
If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision.
Vision uptime is 33% at best, but more likely a lot less. Ambush is always on.
Trying to make a case for these as valid parts of the game is saying the devs never make mistakes. But track record is they misjudge how things will play out in a live setting all the time.
so we can see them 1/3rd of the time. thats better than 0/3rd's
How many mods have we gone where Tr's live in stealth?
These rings and drains have been a great move by the devs. Leveled the playing field. IWD is dicey at times but there are a lot worse problems in this game than these rings or drains.
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Or because some of these guilds who now "ban" drain usage. Used them with DC and pally groups to make SHS a joke.
Just let people play how they want to play. Instead of trying to lord over everyone by limiting them. Like I said if you are scared of drains slit a ward. If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision. Heck their is a good case for using the rosegold rings for the tenacity bump. Just depends on plays style and groups.
I am not scared of anything forcing people to only to slots wards wastes all the time the developers spent on creating all the other overloads
wrong Ring of vision does NOT counter ring of stealth because it does not have 100% up time are you joking ?
I always have wards slotted I have no choice has nothing with be being lazy sir
different classes have differnt reliance on ap and stamina dont tell me stuff about being able to play around it lol
if they counter each other out why have any of them then ? this encourages no diversity in overloads at all
to the bold.... Using drains forces other players to adjust to you instead of you adjusting to them. If you are a ward slotter then you have decided to play that way. Which is a credit to you. If i am playing against someone i want to limit their choices and make them uncomfortable. Allowing them to use any overload doesnt do that at all. At least drains puts the pressure on them to think about it hard before slotting more deflect/power/defense/etc
You dont win by ensuring the other player is comfortable. you win by forcing them to adjust to you. And you have done that by making wards your base setup.
a had a 42 to one kills to death ratio when drains first came out without using them lol I assure you sir the other players were not confortable lol
In the hand of a high gear Elite experienced player they are toxic and only serve to put pressure to stay in camp or call GG
I dont see any relation between drains and not wanting to upgrade deflect defence power lol if you do or dont have wards anyways lol anyways wards overload slots do not replace Enchantment slots lol
nice of you to respond on my point abuot lack of ward /drain diversity and wasting dev resources and nice of you to respond about drains effecting differnt classes different you show a strong grasp of the subject sir also no responce on how ambush and vision are not equal
Question beck, how do you fair against opponents who use drains on you? do you manage to outplay and defeat them consistently?
drains do not bother me in the slightest. Its just part of the game. I dont waste my time crying about them in say or zone chat. or bother coming here to cry to devs about them.
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and natural order was never released based on comments feedback and tests my guildy sent him
cause it disbalance
ummmm Why are guildmarks causing disbalance >? I'm confused ??
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On the Ambush ring - I could possibly see this as being acceptable if it's power is changed so it can only proc out of combat (which would make it more or less useless - which is fine by me since I'd prefer it be excised like the cancer it is).
But drains - no way - they were a terrible idea, a stretch attempt to make the SH market and buildings provide some value, but because they're only available to the top players in top Alliances, and won't be available to anyone else for a very long time, it was a drastic mistake that unbalanced an already very unbalanced PvP system.
Please, just hear the massive outcry of the vast majority of people that still bother playing PvP and remove these items. Don't wait around - PvP is already a hot steaming mess and these items are simply making it worse. A small minority will be upset when these are removed, but the vast majority of PvP players will be made very happy by this... please do it soon.
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not onesided , no, only showing the general opinion imo
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If your guild doesn't allow them then they just hate freedom. And that makes another point why on earth would anyone want to join a guild that prevented their players from using legitimate parts of the game?
If your guild doesn't allow drains/ambush then they are doing it wrong and you should find another place where they don't limit your game play. Everyone plays their own game.
You got it wrong pal its the drains and ambush that are limiting game play !!
everybody should be allowed a gun because you can buy bulletproof vests Right ?
Yes that is right. If you are terrified of the big bad drains then you can buy a ward. But if you are able to play around it by not being dependent on AP or stamina. The issue is that people are lazy and do t want to evolve.
Or because some of these guilds who now "ban" drain usage. Used them with DC and pally groups to make SHS a joke.
Just let people play how they want to play. Instead of trying to lord over everyone by limiting them. Like I said if you are scared of drains slit a ward. If you are scared of ambush then slot a ring of vision. Heck their is a good case for using the rosegold rings for the tenacity bump. Just depends on plays style and groups.
maybe eh
Trying to make a case for these as valid parts of the game is saying the devs never make mistakes. But track record is they misjudge how things will play out in a live setting all the time.
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@beck54
wrong Ring of vision does NOT counter ring of stealth because it does not have 100% up time are you joking ?
I always have wards slotted I have no choice has nothing with be being lazy sir
different classes have differnt reliance on ap and stamina dont tell me stuff about being able to play around it lol
if they counter each other out why have any of them then ? this encourages no diversity in overloads at all
Unless some of the other alliances have rules about who can buy what ....... Which wouldnt surprise me since their are actual guilds who lord over their players like Stalin.
Still amazes me that resonable people enjoy being told what to do and how to play their toons by other players.
You dont win by ensuring the other player is comfortable. you win by forcing them to adjust to you. And you have done that by making wards your base setup.
How many mods have we gone where Tr's live in stealth?
These rings and drains have been a great move by the devs. Leveled the playing field. IWD is dicey at times but there are a lot worse problems in this game than these rings or drains.
of course Maybe their guild doesnt allow it.... Maybe these guilds only allow orc slayer gems lol
We are searching for slave labor, will pay with food from our farm!
I assure you sir the other players were not confortable lol
In the hand of a high gear Elite experienced player they are toxic and only serve to put pressure to stay in camp or call GG
I dont see any relation between drains and not wanting to upgrade deflect defence power lol if you do or dont have wards anyways lol anyways wards overload slots do not replace Enchantment slots lol
nice of you to respond on my point abuot lack of ward /drain diversity and wasting dev resources and nice of you to respond
about drains effecting differnt classes different you show a strong grasp of the subject sir
also no responce on how ambush and vision are not equal