Too old to play online games?

lantern22

Yeah I read it. I still don't think I'd call it being a vigilante, more akin to say a sit down protest. Geez I get held up by ppl in dungeons all the time.

Just thought it was exaggerated and probably wouldn't have been mentioned if it wasn't a mod. Ppl seem to love to bash the mods, like they have done something to offend ppl.

kreatyve

I don't feel it's being a vigilante either. It is what it is. I have stopped going through with pug groups.

wimpazoid

I wouldn't go so far as to call him a vigilante either. To put in perspective, the player going around the wall is the lesser of two evils. He may have did it with selfish intentions, but he wouldn't have known how @kreatyve felt. Emotions aside, his action had no real detrimental effect to the progression or outcome of the run.

As @lantern22 mentioned, we get delayed by other players for whatever reasons. Time and effort wasted (which is the root of this thread) is a very sensitive issue to players in an mmo. What @kreatyve did was no different. He knowingly wasted everyone else's time, and exemplified himself as one of many cases where selfish reasons and mechanics that give power to a player to control a team's time can lead to frustration, especially in such a short event skirmish, no matter how noble he tried to justify it.

sockmunkey

kreatyve said:

I don't feel it's being a vigilante either. It is what it is. I have stopped going through with pug groups.

Well, thanks for the clarification. Good to know that enforcing karma is considered both acceptable and a protected act.

kreatyve

sockmunkey said:

kreatyve said:

I don't feel it's being a vigilante either. It is what it is. I have stopped going through with pug groups.

Well, thanks for the clarification. Good to know that enforcing karma is considered both acceptable and a protected act.

Never said it was accepted or protected. Customer Service won't waste their time on people going around the door at the moment nor will they waste their time on people who are purposely making people wait. So now I have just stopped running the event with pugs all together. I have plenty of guild members to run with who know how to follow the rules and play legit.

phoenix1021

Please, I've seen people use banishment in timed skirmishes to spite people or lead goristro into the black runes on purpose to sabotage an edemo run. Yesterday I was in a skirmish where two party members were trying to kick each other the entire time while throwing insults at each other like little children. Waiting a few seconds before going into the circle is trivial compared to that. Besides, moderators on the forums are not game masters in the game, just normal players. So no reason to be all spiteful about it...

demonmonger

Don't hate the mods hate the devs

wimpazoid

demonmonger said:

Don't hate the mods hate the devs

I've been saying all week, bad design should be done away with. No sense in defending it as intended design and legit way. Result was this overreaction of players from a split view.

plasticbat

lantern22 said:

Yeah I read it. I still don't think I'd call it being a vigilante, more akin to say a sit down protest. Geez I get held up by ppl in dungeons all the time.

Just thought it was exaggerated and probably wouldn't have been mentioned if it wasn't a mod. Ppl seem to love to bash the mods, like they have done something to offend ppl.

I respect your opinion. However, imo, there is a difference between intentional and unintentional. I could be wrong but based on the wording, I think it is intentional.

lantern22

All good I don't disagree with you there. And really, I was really only partially "disagreeing" with some comments, and then only with the severity as opposed to the general intent of the comments.

ambisinisterr

sockmunkey said:

It was my understanding that if we feel someone is breaking the rules we report them and move on.



Has their been a rule change on this? Because having a mod advocate vigilante justice sends mixed signals. And makes one wonder when else the mods might have taken authority into their own hands.

There's no rules which say you have to run the way other party members want you to.

Back when Gauntelgrym was first released one of the most entertaining runs I had was when myself and a friend pugged it and the rest of the group tried running past all of the mobs and getting into the boss room through all manner of trickery.

My friend and I let them run ahead and do whatever they wanted and killed every single mob in Fardelver including triggering the mimic until they came back...although the mimic was actually just my polite insult back to them for all their commentary.
They complained from beginning to end...yet when we fought the boss it was my friend and I who survived the fight.

Call it vigilante justice if you wish. I don't agree it's an apt label. I'm not going to jump through holes in the map just because people want me to. Do I think the beholder is a real issue? No probably not. But there's no rule that just because most people want to abuse a glitch in the map means people who don't want to have to.


I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language. That same friend who did the Fardelver run with me has a motto to "Insult people with a smile and a handshake" which is an apt motto for how my uncle has lived his life and how he taught me to live mine.

silence1x

Kids + online gaming = recipe for rudeness

urlord283

I'm sure we have all been guilty of Jumping in and killing a Monster a less equipped player had been working on.

I have mostly cause I thought I was helping and sometimes out of thoughtlessness.

If the player was denied the kill and said something I will always apologize and offer some sore of repayment/restitution

Some take me up on it most accept the apology some will not.

I never jump in and take a treasure someone else has earned but it happens to me a lot and I do find it irritating but it is a game and it takes all sorts, some like me at least try to be respectful... others not so much.

We should all strive to be respectful and understand when we cross a line we should at least apologize

And if you read this and believe I am guilty of taking your monster... I am sorry


Urlord

throsbi

Ok so wasnt this topic about being to old to play..............I think everyone that posted here resently may need to revisit the question.....just saying.

By the way you can go around both sides, thru the wall, jump over it etc. I have seen it all done it all. Why? Why not? we are forced to run it x number of times for dice/accredits, no choice in skipping cutscenes etc. I think i remember reporting the bugs for it. Maybe i forgot this one and only reported bugs for the first one. Maybe i am getting to old to remember what i remembered........

I just re read the patch notes and do not see any mention of it being fixed as the first bugs did the first week. So my guess its WAI. Most of the time someone runs in and triggers it before i can even remember thats where i am supposed to go anyway...

I remember when...........wait how does that go again........maybe I am to old for that toooo.

ambisinisterr

throsbi said:

Ok so wasnt this topic about being to old to play..............I think everyone that posted here resently may need to revisit the question.....just saying.

The title is that, but the topic is actually about how players behave towards each other.
The OP questioned if it was just an age gap but the truth is that there are a lot more variables.

I have heard older players complain that they "don't have the time" to not zerg through content or that their time is more precious than others and steal resources from people. Sad truth.

And thus that this thread isn't a question about age, despite the title, but about how people of different personalities, life styles and beliefs will act differently.

Additionally point blank truth: just because something isn't important enough to fix doesn't mean that it isn't a bug. They would not have put the transition there if it wasn't intended to be used. It might not be high on the list of stuff to fix but if it isn't fixed this year then it will likely be fixed next year if the same map is used.

I can list out dozens of abused bugs that the players abused and the developers did not rush to fix. Just for fun: Boss Leashing was bugged for months and publicly stated as such but was not fixed until months after launch.

urlord283

As ambisinisterr stated:
"The title is that, but the topic is actually about how players behave towards each other.
The OP questioned if it was just an age gap but the truth is that there are a lot more variables."

There those who take those thing which are earned by others by choice not accident.

Age is not really the issue but Values are

Urlord

kreatyve

urlord283 said:

As ambisinisterr stated:
"The title is that, but the topic is actually about how players behave towards each other.
The OP questioned if it was just an age gap but the truth is that there are a lot more variables."

There those who take those thing which are earned by others by choice not accident.

Age is not really the issue but Values are

Urlord

I totally agree! I've known some really polite teenagers. I've known some really rude adults. It can go both ways, but in general, it seems that kids these days are a lot more "entitled" than past generations.

ambisinisterr

As a whole we are all getting more entitled.

When I first played through Baldur's Gate I had to spend hours perfecting builds and choices. I would spend a lot of time reading the text and choosing the options I most wanted. Choosing the correct options is still something I care about in games but I have found it increasingly difficult to play games which don't have voice actors. NW is a perfect example of a game I more often than not skip through the text because I just CBA to read it.

This year is the first year that there are less people paying for televison service since cable television was first released. Why? Well because the prices they are charging leave my head throbbing in confusion and my rear end sore...but also because even us adults want what we want when we want it. I don't know about many of you but my life revolves around On Demand or a DVR. Cable providers just can't make the price appealing compared to options like Netflix, Hulu or more nefarious options which give you what you want when you want it.


However I would say that in the case of behavior amongst other people it has a lot less to do with being entitled or "me-now" and more to do with morals and upbringing especially on the internet.

It kills me to see people defend bad behavior with "it's just a game" or some other statement which more or less equates to 'I don't care about other people if they are not physically near me.' There is so much behavior done over the internet both in video games and in general which I know people would never do if they didn't feel protected by the anonymity of the world wide web.

Younger people certainly suffer from it more than older people but I have seen plenty of contradictions to that rule.


One friend I met in NW once summed it up quite well:
"When the internet came out I said 'COOL! Finally some place I could be myself!' Little did I know that everybody else believed it was a place you could pretend to be somebody else."


Then again, maybe people really are self centered snobs and just don't hide it because there are fewer consequences and less accountability for acting that way on the 'net.

sockmunkey

ambisinisterr said:

I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language.

So, because someone plays in a way you don't like. You return the favor by playing in a way they wont like? It's vindictive behavior. Akin to giving someone the finger for cutting you off in traffic. Sure, not on the same level as full on road rage, but not behavior anyone would consider as adult or mature. Color it how you like, pat yourself on the back for what you think is clever or karma. It is still a means of getting back at a players who manage to do something you didn't like.

josephskyrim

If you want to really feel old, google up a life calendar and see how many boxes you have left on the page. Also remember you don't know how many boxes are already secretly crossed out from the end...

lanackse

People can be arseholes. I quite like the "need or greed" system (because it also allows me to refuse items not for my class and thus not clutter my inv with a load of stuff have no use for and then waste time having to vendor) but like all things a minority of **beep**s will ruin it for everyone else who is honest.

I've found arseholes of all ages, genders, ethnicities, etc. It's not unique to the younger generations.

I have played a different game on a European server and it's amazing how many people called me a HAMSTER in their mother tongue when they tried to stiff me on a trade and I told them "no deal". The joke was on them because I turned around and insulted their parents in the same tongue they used on me and it was funny to see them realise that the person they just called a HAMSTER understood what they said perfectly. Yeah that was probably a HAMSTER move but I feel that it taught them an important lesson in that you should not use the internet to be a douchecanoe.

kievitz

sockmunkey said:

ambisinisterr said:

I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language.

So, because someone plays in a way you don't like. You return the favor by playing in a way they wont like? It's vindictive behavior. Akin to giving someone the finger for cutting you off in traffic. Sure, not on the same level as full on road rage, but not behavior anyone would consider as adult or mature. Color it how you like, pat yourself on the back for what you think is clever or karma. It is still a means of getting back at a players who manage to do something you didn't like.

Best thing to do is report a player behaving bad, better yet do as follows.

Brings back somewhat hilarious memories about this, even some of the beta players told me to fk off and quit whining because to some of them reporting bad behavior was bad behavior in itself, quite amusing when i think of it . I still report people occasionally for behaving very badly or issuing threats if they happen to make the mistake of PMing me but usually i put them on ignore or run without PM so things like that wont happen.

And yeah they also gave me the same explanation "it is vindictive to report a fellow player if they are behaving badly or even threating your persona with violence or what ever, just take it and move on or shutoff your chat, this is just a game, you a$$hole, you have a responsibility to quit whining when you can ignore people and turn off chat".

I took their advice at heart, dont really give sht what people have to say to me anymore ingame, mostly i roll without any other than guild chat even PM is off, it pisses the sht out of pug PVP partys and the players that call GG and i still keep killing them when in PVP, and other random people trying to get in contanct, but yeah all and all, i thank the beta PVP players for their advice and just roll on and ignore everyone spamming or PMing sht my way. Has made my life much more stress free ingame.

When running with my guild i keep the chats on cos i dont have to worry about random sht spewed at me.

durynte

sockmunkey said:

ambisinisterr said:

I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language.

So, because someone plays in a way you don't like. You return the favor by playing in a way they wont like? It's vindictive behavior. Akin to giving someone the finger for cutting you off in traffic. Sure, not on the same level as full on road rage, but not behavior anyone would consider as adult or mature. Color it how you like, pat yourself on the back for what you think is clever or karma. It is still a means of getting back at a players who manage to do something you didn't like.

Isn't something important missing here?
No-one, not a single person expects to go out in the wild and be happy and friends (now, THAT term got misused more than propperly used) with everybody they come across. You pick people, people pick you. Sometimes by accident.

Joining a wildly anonymeous tele-customer-community is no difference. If anything, the situation is worse. I have close to nothing to sort the good apples from the bad. All I have is a character and account name (and that by itself sometimes tells me more than I wanted to know right away), avatar appearance, occasionly some verbing abilities, and behavior when grouping up. So I am actually very much surprised to find so little conflict overall. If ever things build up to a rather ugly point, I usually try to settle it but once. If for bad, I just turn elsewhere, which has yet to happen in NWO. In general, I refuse to reeducate a wildly unknown and far away person's manners.

sockmunkey

durynte said:

sockmunkey said:

ambisinisterr said:

I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language.

So, because someone plays in a way you don't like. You return the favor by playing in a way they wont like? It's vindictive behavior. Akin to giving someone the finger for cutting you off in traffic. Sure, not on the same level as full on road rage, but not behavior anyone would consider as adult or mature. Color it how you like, pat yourself on the back for what you think is clever or karma. It is still a means of getting back at a players who manage to do something you didn't like.

Isn't something important missing here?
No-one, not a single person expects to go out in the wild and be happy and friends (now, THAT term got misused more than propperly used) with everybody they come across. You pick people, people pick you. Sometimes by accident.

Joining a wildly anonymeous tele-customer-community is no difference. If anything, the situation is worse. I have close to nothing to sort the good apples from the bad. All I have is a character and account name (and that by itself sometimes tells me more than I wanted to know right away), avatar appearance, occasionly some verbing abilities, and behavior when grouping up. So I am actually very much surprised to find so little conflict overall. If ever things build up to a rather ugly point, I usually try to settle it but once. If for bad, I just turn elsewhere, which has yet to happen in NWO. In general, I refuse to reeducate a wildly unknown and far away person's manners.

EXACTLY! You don't go into a sewer then complain that you got stuff on your shoes. Or worse, try to "inflict karma" or "insult back to them for all their commentary"

Its not needed, its not mature. It just lowers yourself to the other persons level. Really, the only surprising thing is the people defending it and who they are.

throsbi

sockmunkey said:

durynte said:

sockmunkey said:

ambisinisterr said:

I never felt I was a vigilante. I would say, in truth, when somebody tries to make me do something I don't agree with or when they are verbally abusive I am simply more inventive in my response than using colorful language.

So, because someone plays in a way you don't like. You return the favor by playing in a way they wont like? It's vindictive behavior. Akin to giving someone the finger for cutting you off in traffic. Sure, not on the same level as full on road rage, but not behavior anyone would consider as adult or mature. Color it how you like, pat yourself on the back for what you think is clever or karma. It is still a means of getting back at a players who manage to do something you didn't like.

Isn't something important missing here?
No-one, not a single person expects to go out in the wild and be happy and friends (now, THAT term got misused more than propperly used) with everybody they come across. You pick people, people pick you. Sometimes by accident.

Joining a wildly anonymeous tele-customer-community is no difference. If anything, the situation is worse. I have close to nothing to sort the good apples from the bad. All I have is a character and account name (and that by itself sometimes tells me more than I wanted to know right away), avatar appearance, occasionly some verbing abilities, and behavior when grouping up. So I am actually very much surprised to find so little conflict overall. If ever things build up to a rather ugly point, I usually try to settle it but once. If for bad, I just turn elsewhere, which has yet to happen in NWO. In general, I refuse to reeducate a wildly unknown and far away person's manners.

EXACTLY! You don't go into a sewer then complain that you got stuff on your shoes. Or worse, try to "inflict karma" or "insult back to them for all their commentary"

Its not needed, its not mature. It just lowers yourself to the other persons level. Really, the only surprising thing is the people defending it and who they are.

When I go into the sewer I expect to come out smelling like a rose! I will be on your back as you carry me thru. You don't like it and I am to heavy you say. Well, I have one word for you.......

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phoenix1021

Funny how this incident wouldn't even be considered worth discussing if it wasn't about kreatyve. Also extra points for calling our community a "sewer"!

armadeonx

This kind of behaviour is only visible when everyone wants an item but only 1 person can take it, leaving the rest to queue up & wait (or ninja) I've met a-holes both young and old (I'm 46) & whilst I'd say it's probably more common among younger people, it's by no means exclusive to them.

When I'm running this type of quest I immediately switch to the least populated zone as I just expect it.

sockmunkey

phoenix1021 said:

Funny how this incident wouldn't even be considered worth discussing if it wasn't about kreatyve. Also extra points for calling our community a "sewer"!

No, its not funny. Because I would of responded to anyone who used the whole "I'm preforming karma" excuse in the exact same way. Poor behavior is poor, regardless of title. The funny thing is, the ONLY two people in this entire topic who have directly admitted to being self proclaimed group justice warriors are mods.

zebular

Personally, I leave a pug when more than one person is not playing in a "legit" manner. If it is just one, I'll call a vote-kick if possible and state why. If the kick doesn't happen, I'll leave the group. In my opinion, that's far better than trying to enforce my "legit" playstyle on others -- for, right or wrong, I believe in choice. If one's choice is to play in a shady manner, then I won't stand in their way, I'll kindly step out and let "karma" (and GMs) sort them out.

If it is a something I consider a serious offense, I'll even report it. I won't sit there and bash folks for playing in a sketchy manner though, as folks like that tend to like the attention anyway and I'd rather not give them what they want. I rarely pug anymore though, only during events like this Respen's and CTAs. Even then, I prefer a pre-made group of like-minded folks who like to play for fun and not for what I call, "the win-rush" and "me complex."