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  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    rayrdan said:


    urlord283 said:

    I must be doing something very wrong.. and for a long time

    definitely
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    instead those threads you should find a way your team or if you prefer your duo perform better. A GF cannot guard his back you seems to forget that fact. EVEN if he want to attack the person to his face he have to think first how will defend vs the other guy to his back. gf has no chance vs 2 players know what are they are doing. PVP is not 1vs1 is team effort.




  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User

    instead those threads you should find a way your team or if you prefer your duo perform better. A GF cannot guard his back you seems to forget that fact. EVEN if he want to attack the person to his face he have to think first how will defend vs the other guy to his back. gf has no chance vs 2 players know what are they are doing. PVP is not 1vs1 is team effort.




    Obviously you never met a skilled GF… you meet so many hopeless cases, but these guys suck on every class and have to be considered as "fotm-class-surfer" coming from TR or any other broken class.
    A GF in turtle position and ITF circling arround the node is very tanky and you need 2-3 mates with similar gear to take him down if he does good, ITF makes him very fast even if he is in guard.
    Slam will give him cc immunity for a good period, so he can easily go hulk and onerotate the first opponent in 2 seconds ITF-BC-AoD
    …so now we have a 1 vs 1, right?
    That class has far too much power with that instant prone+ highest burst + cc immunity + high defense, something has to get toned down for sure, that´s obvious, even a blind bat can see it.
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User

    instead those threads you should find a way your team or if you prefer your duo perform better. A GF cannot guard his back you seems to forget that fact. EVEN if he want to attack the person to his face he have to think first how will defend vs the other guy to his back. gf has no chance vs 2 players know what are they are doing. PVP is not 1vs1 is team effort.




    Obviously you never met a skilled GF… you meet so many hopeless cases, but these guys suck on every class and have to be considered as "fotm-class-surfer" coming from TR or any other broken class.
    A GF in turtle position and ITF circling arround the node is very tanky and you need 2-3 mates with similar gear to take him down if he does good, ITF makes him very fast even if he is in guard.
    Slam will give him cc immunity for a good period, so he can easily go hulk and onerotate the first opponent in 2 seconds ITF-BC-AoD
    …so now we have a 1 vs 1, right?
    That class has far too much power with that instant prone+ highest burst + cc immunity + high defense, something has to get toned down for sure, that´s obvious, even a blind bat can see it.
    do you know the cooldown of the bull charge? cooldown into the fray? cooldown anvil ? ( that one is very big).
    INSTANT prone 7/10 dodge yes bullcharge.
    BE too cc immune if you are meelee or sprint away. and bull charge is not so instant and has fairly good cooldown especially the finisher anvil of doom not only has the biggest cooldown but also the chance to miss even if you are next to the target.
  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User

    instead those threads you should find a way your team or if you prefer your duo perform better. A GF cannot guard his back you seems to forget that fact. EVEN if he want to attack the person to his face he have to think first how will defend vs the other guy to his back. gf has no chance vs 2 players know what are they are doing. PVP is not 1vs1 is team effort.




    Obviously you never met a skilled GF… you meet so many hopeless cases, but these guys suck on every class and have to be considered as "fotm-class-surfer" coming from TR or any other broken class.
    A GF in turtle position and ITF circling arround the node is very tanky and you need 2-3 mates with similar gear to take him down if he does good, ITF makes him very fast even if he is in guard.
    Slam will give him cc immunity for a good period, so he can easily go hulk and onerotate the first opponent in 2 seconds ITF-BC-AoD
    …so now we have a 1 vs 1, right?
    That class has far too much power with that instant prone+ highest burst + cc immunity + high defense, something has to get toned down for sure, that´s obvious, even a blind bat can see it.
    do you know the cooldown of the bull charge? cooldown into the fray? cooldown anvil ? ( that one is very big).
    INSTANT prone 7/10 dodge yes bullcharge.
    BE too cc immune if you are meelee or sprint away. and bull charge is not so instant and has fairly good cooldown especially the finisher anvil of doom not only has the biggest cooldown but also the chance to miss even if you are next to the target.
    10 seconds, 13.5 seconds and 13.5 seconds?
    for those fatalities?
    those really seems to you high cooldowns????? maybe you are just too used to 5 seconds repels and 3 seconds disintegrate -.-
    i suggest you to play a tr or every not trapper hr.
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    12,8-16-12,8 that´s my encounter having 2,4k rec
    mamalion, tbh I really don´t get it, what your arguments are anyway

    in case you do not play a GF do not defend the class, and in case you play a GF it must be a very poor gameplay on your side claiming GF is not a problem in mod 8...
    I met some of these guys in DOM claiming GF is "weak" and argueing "the class has no future in case it get´s nerfed"...
    Guess what, these guys played the most crappy GF I ever met, a shame tbh
    Prim wearing the same GS onehits me nearly with that gear, like some other onerotate my class at 3k and below
    it´s easy, just turtle and wait...ITF-BC-AoD or ITF-daily-BC-maybe one at will (dealing 30k+lolsetbonus)...(AoD not needed)
    There are lot´s of underwhelming GF´s out there, who can´t get anything done with the class, but these guys are no measure !
    Letz wait for mod 9 and be surprised what will happen...zeusom allready gave us an appetizer about GF , look up for his report
    the combination from prone + high burst + a second cc from crescendo + another high burst is just redicules
    GF has a pretty good AP gain from a passive feat called "action surge" only by blocking

    here some numbers from DOM match, 3,4k GS GF, that moment he did not wear ring of brutality:
    at will-->weapon master´s strike 54k permitigation+ lolsetbonus


    another at will 40k premitigation + 14k lolsetbonus (huh that´s no 6% meh), I think it´s called "cleave"


    Bullcharge ... non crit? can´t be



    look up for the tons of videos minimi shows and what numbers he achieves even against max geared player like this, onerotating a 170k warlock in a row "Knight´s Chllenge for the win"
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYOl8ZRSzU
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User

    12,8-16-12,8 that´s my encounter having 2,4k rec
    mamalion, tbh I really don´t get it, what your arguments are anyway

    in case you do not play a GF do not defend the class, and in case you play a GF it must be a very poor gameplay on your side claiming GF is not a problem in mod 8...
    I met some of these guys in DOM claiming GF is "weak" and argueing "the class has no future in case it get´s nerfed"...
    Guess what, these guys played the most crappy GF I ever met, a shame tbh
    Prim wearing the same GS onehits me nearly with that gear, like some other onerotate my class at 3k and below
    it´s easy, just turtle and wait...ITF-BC-AoD or ITF-daily-BC-maybe one at will (dealing 30k+lolsetbonus)...(AoD not needed)
    There are lot´s of underwhelming GF´s out there, who can´t get anything done with the class, but these guys are no measure !
    Letz wait for mod 9 and be surprised what will happen...zeusom allready gave us an appetizer about GF , look up for his report
    the combination from prone + high burst + a second cc from crescendo + another high burst is just redicules
    GF has a pretty good AP gain from a passive feat called "action surge" only by blocking

    here some numbers from DOM match, 3,4k GS GF, that moment he did not wear ring of brutality:
    at will-->weapon master´s strike 54k permitigation+ lolsetbonus


    another at will 40k premitigation + 14k lolsetbonus (huh that´s no 6% meh), I think it´s called "cleave"


    Bullcharge ... non crit? can´t be



    look up for the tons of videos minimi shows and what numbers he achieves even against max geared player like this, onerotating a 170k warlock in a row "Knight´s Chllenge for the win"
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYOl8ZRSzU

    he did knight challenge on sw and the sw what did ? sw deal already high damage if you have knight challenge you can instantly kill the gf. i am asking how gf gone on you when is swordmaster without gap closer? 1 this. 2nd even if he had the into the fray you are faster than him to sprint away and 3 if he had drain then is not counting.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User

    12,8-16-12,8 that´s my encounter having 2,4k rec
    mamalion, tbh I really don´t get it, what your arguments are anyway

    in case you do not play a GF do not defend the class, and in case you play a GF it must be a very poor gameplay on your side claiming GF is not a problem in mod 8...
    I met some of these guys in DOM claiming GF is "weak" and argueing "the class has no future in case it get´s nerfed"...
    Guess what, these guys played the most crappy GF I ever met, a shame tbh
    Prim wearing the same GS onehits me nearly with that gear, like some other onerotate my class at 3k and below
    it´s easy, just turtle and wait...ITF-BC-AoD or ITF-daily-BC-maybe one at will (dealing 30k+lolsetbonus)...(AoD not needed)
    There are lot´s of underwhelming GF´s out there, who can´t get anything done with the class, but these guys are no measure !
    Letz wait for mod 9 and be surprised what will happen...zeusom allready gave us an appetizer about GF , look up for his report
    the combination from prone + high burst + a second cc from crescendo + another high burst is just redicules
    GF has a pretty good AP gain from a passive feat called "action surge" only by blocking

    here some numbers from DOM match, 3,4k GS GF, that moment he did not wear ring of brutality:
    at will-->weapon master´s strike 54k permitigation+ lolsetbonus


    another at will 40k premitigation + 14k lolsetbonus (huh that´s no 6% meh), I think it´s called "cleave"


    Bullcharge ... non crit? can´t be



    look up for the tons of videos minimi shows and what numbers he achieves even against max geared player like this, onerotating a 170k warlock in a row "Knight´s Chllenge for the win"
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYOl8ZRSzU

    he did knight challenge on sw and the sw what did ? sw deal already high damage if you have knight challenge you can instantly kill the gf. i am asking how gf gone on you when is swordmaster without gap closer? 1 this. 2nd even if he had the into the fray you are faster than him to sprint away and 3 if he had drain then is not counting.
    hard to follow your wrintings, and again it might be your own inability to play that class, the way some do
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    lunging is gap closer i know that but who play it ? show me videos they are playing lunging? all the time is fray-anvil-bull charge . and knight challenge when they have cleric from behind to save them from big hit. bull charge is gap closer the player lands on the spot where the target was but after that need to cover a distance to throw an anvil or he will not able to do anything at all ( unless if use again a gap closer).
  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    i know for gwf if they catch you out of unstopable you will die ok. SW should able to avoid a gf with sprint and attack him from range. I dont understand 170k hp means you have to stay and get hit from the gf as sw ? well i stop writing because you think only stats count in pvp.
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    edited March 2016

    i know for gwf if they catch you out of unstopable you will die ok. SW should able to avoid a gf with sprint and attack him from range. I dont understand 170k hp means you have to stay and get hit from the gf as sw ? well i stop writing because you think only stats count in pvp.

    Hmm... have you ever counted how long it would take for those SWs to take down a GF when they are behind a shield+water wheel+water weapon and 35k+ healing pvp pot + self heal on proc from boons...?

    By the time the SW takes down that GF, the GF probably can cap the node 5 times lol

    But no, they only need to cap once... then move towards the SW... and one shot them..... should the SW choose to stay, he will most probably die, should the SW choose to "keep the distance", considering the current domination map's space around the nodes, the SWs would have to run AWAYYYYY from the node, and it will soon become out of sight, then GF will just heal to full with any of the mentioned above...

    So... your ideal tactics would never be valid......

    And of course, if anyone sees a GF on a node... they should not engage alone... until they call their friends here to take the GF down.... but now imagine if the GF summons their friends along too... lol...?

    Let me give you a few situations..

    1. GF summons HR = lock up easy one shot target lol
    2. GF summons TR = smoke bomb easy one shot target lol
    3. GF summons DC/OP = You can't kill them, but they can still one shot you lol
    4. GF summons CW = Controlled? Freezed? One shot lol
    5. GF summons SW = Omg, I can't catchup with the SW and I can't get behind the GF, what should I do? Get one shotted lol
    6. GF summons GWF = omg, both of them are so tanky, what should I do... well its fine, time to get one shotted lol

    Only thing u can do is to hope that your partner is either a DC (gift) or OP (DP) so you wouldn't die, or one that can CC the GF with a heavy hitter to quickily take the GF down before you get one shotted, but hey, I guess MMO's new meta is to have tank class being able to ONE SHOT 95%+ of the BiS players in the game aye? :D
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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    icyphish said:

    i know for gwf if they catch you out of unstopable you will die ok. SW should able to avoid a gf with sprint and attack him from range. I dont understand 170k hp means you have to stay and get hit from the gf as sw ? well i stop writing because you think only stats count in pvp.

    Hmm... have you ever counted how long it would take for those SWs to take down a GF when they are behind a shield+water wheel+water weapon and 35k+ healing pvp pot + self heal on proc from boons...?

    By the time the SW takes down that GF, the GF probably can cap the node 5 times lol

    But no, they only need to cap once... then move towards the SW... and one shot them..... should the SW choose to stay, he will most probably die, should the SW choose to "keep the distance", considering the current domination map's space around the nodes, the SWs would have to run AWAYYYYY from the node, and it will soon become out of sight, then GF will just heal to full with any of the mentioned above...

    So... your ideal tactics would never be valid......

    And of course, if anyone sees a GF on a node... they should not engage alone... until they call their friends here to take the GF down.... but now imagine if the GF summons their friends along too... lol...?

    Let me give you a few situations..

    1. GF summons HR = lock up easy one shot target lol
    2. GF summons TR = smoke bomb easy one shot target lol
    3. GF summons DC/OP = You can't kill them, but they can still one shot you lol
    4. GF summons CW = Controlled? Freezed? One shot lol
    5. GF summons SW = Omg, I can't catchup with the SW and I can't get behind the GF, what should I do? Get one shotted lol
    6. GF summons GWF = omg, both of them are so tanky, what should I do... well its fine, time to get one shotted lol

    Only thing u can do is to hope that your partner is either a DC (gift) or OP (DP) so you wouldn't die, or one that can CC the GF with a heavy hitter to quickily take the GF down before you get one shotted, but hey, I guess MMO's new meta is to have tank class being able to ONE SHOT 95%+ of the BiS players in the game aye? :D
    icyphish said:

    i know for gwf if they catch you out of unstopable you will die ok. SW should able to avoid a gf with sprint and attack him from range. I dont understand 170k hp means you have to stay and get hit from the gf as sw ? well i stop writing because you think only stats count in pvp.

    Hmm... have you ever counted how long it would take for those SWs to take down a GF when they are behind a shield+water wheel+water weapon and 35k+ healing pvp pot + self heal on proc from boons...?

    By the time the SW takes down that GF, the GF probably can cap the node 5 times lol

    But no, they only need to cap once... then move towards the SW... and one shot them..... should the SW choose to stay, he will most probably die, should the SW choose to "keep the distance", considering the current domination map's space around the nodes, the SWs would have to run AWAYYYYY from the node, and it will soon become out of sight, then GF will just heal to full with any of the mentioned above...

    So... your ideal tactics would never be valid......

    And of course, if anyone sees a GF on a node... they should not engage alone... until they call their friends here to take the GF down.... but now imagine if the GF summons their friends along too... lol...?

    Let me give you a few situations..

    1. GF summons HR = lock up easy one shot target lol
    2. GF summons TR = smoke bomb easy one shot target lol
    3. GF summons DC/OP = You can't kill them, but they can still one shot you lol
    4. GF summons CW = Controlled? Freezed? One shot lol
    5. GF summons SW = Omg, I can't catchup with the SW and I can't get behind the GF, what should I do? Get one shotted lol
    6. GF summons GWF = omg, both of them are so tanky, what should I do... well its fine, time to get one shotted lol

    Only thing u can do is to hope that your partner is either a DC (gift) or OP (DP) so you wouldn't die, or one that can CC the GF with a heavy hitter to quickily take the GF down before you get one shotted, but hey, I guess MMO's new meta is to have tank class being able to ONE SHOT 95%+ of the BiS players in the game aye? :D
    i know and other one shot threatening-savage-ibs.
  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    duplicate post, delete pls.
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  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    @mamalion1234 If you know then why are you telling SWs how they should play their class, and then suggest them a way that you know will definitely fail...?

    SW should able to avoid a gf with sprint and attack him from range. I dont understand 170k hp means you have to stay and get hit from the gf as sw ? well i stop writing because you think only stats count in pvp.

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  • mamalion1234mamalion1234 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 3,415 Arc User
    posting numbers is nothing to do what real happened. if i do an ice knife on you 300k you will post it to nerf me? DOesnt matter how happened? i never saw before warlock to stand on cap where usually gf is. They fight always out of the cap and they sprint a lot and using powers to reduce the incoming damage. SO i am asking what happened.
    2 VS1 is usually win in any cases no matter what class is. YOU want an example? if a cleric debuff me so hard i am dead in seconds even from the worst player in the field.
    BUT i will make a suggestion : into the fray should go down to 40% 10% per rank so if the player want to have stronger buff he have to invest to defence and not what we have now gf with 160k hp able to buff so much with 30% dr.
  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    What mamalion is talking about is another game called "Hide and seek".
    Warlock hides, GF seeks. Best part of this is, I face lot´s of ambush GF´s in DOM every day. That´s at least against the "game rules of hide"...
    At this point it seems to be useless to make any attemps to explain the situation to mamalion any longer, Icy did it very detailed, even my imaginary dog got it..last try.
    Mamalion...again...this game is about capturing, that´s what I do with my warlock, every time. There is no way to capture anything from the bridge and I do not play like you describe it, some do yes, some play permahide-ambush-warlock or ambush-CW etc.
    That´s what I gonna do in mod 9, combined with rank2 drains if nothing happens and no class balance is coming.
    By that I will drain those GF´s down and kill them from distance incase they got no wards.
    I play other games the rest of the day and enjoy some moments of "broken PVP" in NWO by that.

    btw. GF+DC ... do you know what happens when a GF enters Astral Shield?
    Another highlight of cryptics silly coding and stacking buffs
    ITF = 100% of your damageresistance as damagebuff..lol
    ITF+ AS 40%--> 40% DR= 40% damagebuff .... a free buffing zone for GF
    A c.rappy machnic , thx to GMC or whoever implemented buffs according to defensive stats
    ...no more words..I can visit an "evening school course in software developement for 3 weeks and give advise to cryptics devs afterwards --> what they should avoid by develloping classes and feats

    Can´t say if all this will work with GF but incase it does, you can push your damageresistance enormously with:

    Daily: Hollowed ground 20% DR or Devine armor 20% DR

    Encounter: Devine glow 17,5% DR , Exaltation (devine) 24% DR, Astral Shield 40% DR (obviously works for GF)

    At will: Blessing of Battle 8% DR

    so in the end its 20+40+8+17,5+24% if all stacks right? That would be a 110% DR buff in the sum.
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  • schietindebuxschietindebux Member Posts: 4,292 Arc User
    clonkyo1 said:

    Again, Mamalion just proved that he is either trolling (don't know if he is like Hyper whose doesnt believe on what he spreads on forums or another kind of troll) or he doesn't play PvP at all.

    BTW, mamalion, i do use Lunging Strike on PvP time to time. Striking for 8k vs equaled non SH players is nice.

    HYper I met in DOM and according to his gameplay you can understand why he feels GF is in no good spot....hopeless case :)
  • grimahgrimah Member Posts: 1,658 Arc User
    edited March 2016


    look up for the tons of videos minimi shows and what numbers he achieves even against max geared player like this, onerotating a 170k warlock in a row "Knight´s Chllenge for the win"
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=IbYOl8ZRSzU

    This shows that GF damage is fine. Did you see how little damage he did to the SW before switching? And this GF had axebeak and 30k+ power!

    Even with that he had to resort to using Knights challenge to even hurt him. An encounter which makes him fragile taking +100% damage as soon as he turns it on. He also has to use two encounters to set this up during which he could be CCed. You can see the SW in this video did not even retaliate or focus on him AND each kill included another teammate that distracted him.

    What can be to blame here is the ambush ring and SW's lack of PvP tools.

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  • icyphishicyphish Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,255 Arc User
    I bet Grimah has no clue how SW and their mitigation works otherwise he would not comment like that :)
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  • armadeonxarmadeonx Member Posts: 4,952 Arc User
    @theslotharmy#3268 , you only play pre-L70 pvp. Most people spend about 2 days at your level so don't bother gearing up. How about you actually hit 70 and try some real pvp before commenting? It's a completely different experience and you'll no longer find yourself in a position to crow about things - lol.
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  • urlord283urlord283 Member, NW M9 Playtest Posts: 1,084 Arc User
    edited March 2016
    We are slow and while we may hit hard... We must be face to Face to hit and So many classes can heal very fast or ignore damage or stun and /or root we are not too powerful.

    Geez we I was in a Skirm and they kicked a person cause " They Did less damage then the Tank" (ME), like the Tank was a bottom feeder.

    Geez we need more speed or a harder hit or Ignore Stun...

    IMO
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  • rayrdanrayrdan Member Posts: 5,410 Arc User

    armadeonx said:

    @theslotharmy#3268 , you only play pre-L70 pvp. Most people spend about 2 days at your level so don't bother gearing up. How about you actually hit 70 and try some real pvp before commenting? It's a completely different experience and you'll no longer find yourself in a position to crow about things - lol.

    Why would I ever want to do level 70 PVP? I have too much of a life to be playing this game constantly and grinding for gear to just play the game. So, how about I stay in lv 60 PVP? OR, how about you try playing 6 hours a week and try leveling to 70.
    and you have all the rights to do so. But since you are a special case playing in special conditions which normally are intended to be less than 10 hours of gameplay please refrain to discuss balance,

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