Considering I have opened a lockbox everyday since VIP inception and NEVER had anything more valuable than 20K AD, I'd say the value only comes through benefits like sign posts, bank and salvagers. This game is by far the most expensive game I have ever played.
As it has been said, many many times in the past, if items were cheaper, people would buy them from the zen store. As it stands now, I will probably never spend another cent on this game.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
This game is by far the most expensive game I have ever played.
Been here since beta and spent less on this game than I did on ESO at launch (and played for about 3 weeks). This game costs are dictated by your aspirations. Lower the bar on your expectations and you will find it to be quite affordable.
I really doubt, that players, who let their ViP run out, will stick around for the daily AD grind and be spending that AD in the AH for some "valuable lockbox stuff".
So who's going to buy these items? The new players, that hardly make a few AD here and there while leveling up their characters?
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silvergryphMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 740Arc User
Let's see,
Bonus to XP, Profession XP, and active companions that are not summoned still earn XP.
Glory bonus.
AD bonus.
Bonus Invocation rewards.
Team buffs.
All the free ID scrolls and Epic Dungeon Keys you should ever need.
Portable Travel Signpost, Mailbox, Salvage Anvil, and Bank Vault.
Free daily Lockbox key.
Wondrous Bazaar discounts.
No AH posting fee. We still pay the AH cut on each sale, but we can put up and take down auctions at will.
While I never got anything more than a SMOP (it's a great one to have for "free" I admit) I'll say it's still worth to be VIP. Tbars were just to good to past by so everyone and their mother bought the thing.
I love being able to summon the signpost, mailbox and the bank vault on will...these 3 alone makes it worth it IMO.
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Bonus to XP, Profession XP, and active companions that are not summoned still earn XP.
Glory bonus.
AD bonus.
Bonus Invocation rewards.
Team buffs.
All the free ID scrolls and Epic Dungeon Keys you should ever need.
Portable Travel Signpost, Mailbox, Salvage Anvil, and Bank Vault.
Free daily Lockbox key.
Wondrous Bazaar discounts.
No AH posting fee. We still pay the AH cut on each sale, but we can put up and take down auctions at will.
Yes, it's worth it.
You forget that players who just started to buy vip are far from gettin all that stuff - *unless* they buy 12 months in advance. And that would be - given the ways things are going - unwise.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,403Arc User
For me, the AH still worth it because of the quality of life. Having a way to get C-ward is good but I got VIP when the C-ward was 200 T-bar. I have not used one C-ward from the T-bar store as I am very conservative of using C-ward. At the moment, I can't imagine I can play without VIP feature. Yes, it sucks that I can't buy any C-ward from T-bar regardless if it is 75 or 200. It sucks more if I don't have VIP.
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lonewolfmk1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 137Arc User
For me its still worth it. All the tools to make your charmanagement easier to handle and the maybe most important thing to me, no AH fees for posting an item, since i trade quite a lot using the AH. One failed sale of a rank 12 or trans enchant will cover a lot of paid VIP time.
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zebularMember, Neverwinter Moderator, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 15,270Community Moderator
edited February 2016
I rarely spent trade bars on wards anyway and considering I desired VIP (at R12 now) for all the perks combined, yes I do still feel it is worth it. Especially when just one of the Perks allows me to open one locked box of my choice (I have hundreds/thousands of each type stored) for free per day and get not only tradebars but chances to win all sorts of other goodies, yeah... still worth it. I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Apparently you're the only one that still gets them that way. Or you've been hoarding from an alt army since before they nerfed invocation into oblivion.
Well, to be fair, the Coals still drop from invocation coffers, but you really need a lot of characters doing the invocation dance every day to have a good chance. But in the end, the Coals drop is still random and nothing you can rely on.
You will still get more than enough AD from the lockbox drops to pay for next month's VIP, but as the exchange rate approaches 500, there will be less AD left over.
This is why PWE never made good money on VIP. If they were serious about improving profits they could just close the ZAX and rake in a fortune.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,403Arc User
I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Apparently you're the only one that still gets them that way. Or you've been hoarding from an alt army since before they nerfed invocation into oblivion.
He is not the only one. I have 8 characters and have played since mod 3. All the C-ward I used so far were from invocation coffers. I have not needed to use the c-ward I got from t-bar store yet. However, I don't have any r10 and I have one pure vorpal ready to be upgraded to Trans. It is not the c-ward that is stopping me to upgrade to trans. It is SMOP. I only use c-ward for 1% chance.
I got 2 c-ward from invocation chests in the last 2xRP. I don't open them one at a time. I open a batch during 2xRP only.
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I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Gotta say I hate your luck! I went from Beta for the first 4 months with 2 characters and got about 8. Then for the next (approx) 18 months with upto 8 characters = nothing at all, not even pres wards (that's around 1000 boxes btw). Then since EE Mod 6 with 10 characters I have got 2 from coffers (within 3 boxes of each other), that's another approx 350. No pres wards again.
So for me, the removal from the trade bar store is a very BIG deal - I seem to be wearing Coal Ward repellent armour when it comes to the boxes RNG chances. Hence my decision is the QOL advantages do not meet the requirements of why I wanted VIP.
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plasticbatMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 12,403Arc User
Well, to be fair, the Coals still drop from invocation coffers, but you really need a lot of characters doing the invocation dance every day to have a good chance. But in the end, the Coals drop is still random and nothing you can rely on.
Word. I think I've go about 8 or 9 since open beta, my wife even less, some guild mate swear they didn't even got half a dozend in three years. That's simply far too few to keep up with the ever occuring, volatile and illogical changes in coding, bugs and exploits; even less for alt-loving customers. And since the 10 Bucks for a coal from the Zen shop is just ludicrous, there are few alternatives.
Did you open one when you have one box? Or, you open (say) 50 boxes in one shot. I did latter. I use the same approach for any box/chest.
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This game is by far the most expensive game I have ever played.
Been here since beta and spent less on this game than I did on ESO at launch (and played for about 3 weeks). This game costs are dictated by your aspirations. Lower the bar on your expectations and you will find it to be quite affordable.
Sorry, I should have said...... The items for sale in the game store are the most expensive of any other game I have played.
I am happy to financially support a game when I am getting entertainment value from it. As I did with this one with my 12 months of VIP and a Dragon pack.
However, it's starting to feel like I HAVE to spend real money instead of being encouraged to spend real money. It is only a game after all, and there are other games out there.
This game costs are dictated by your aspirations. Lower the bar on your expectations and you will find it to be quite affordable.
This is not even remotely close to what he meant, or anybody else would have thought he meant. Can the finagling. "Expensive" is a fairly objective measure. Fancy restaurants are expensive, whether I eat at them or not.
I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Gotta say I hate your luck! I went from Beta for the first 4 months with 2 characters and got about 8. Then for the next (approx) 18 months with upto 8 characters = nothing at all, not even pres wards (that's around 1000 boxes btw). Then since EE Mod 6 with 10 characters I have got 2 from coffers (within 3 boxes of each other), that's another approx 350. No pres wards again.
So for me, the removal from the trade bar store is a very BIG deal - I seem to be wearing Coal Ward repellent armour when it comes to the boxes RNG chances. Hence my decision is the QOL advantages do not meet the requirements of why I wanted VIP.
I'm pretty sure Zeb has a TON of alts, thus significantly increasing his chances.
Which I invested in by buying character slots and playing those characters. I have only a few characters I haven't played yet, and they're just serving as extra storage space until I get around to playing them. It's not like me having a good number of characters equates to having an unearned advantage. I paid for those character in some form, whether in game earned AD to Zen or by buying Zen outright to get more characters, as well as buying packs that gave me more characters.
Those characters also aren't simply just an "invocation army." I actually play most of my characters, rotating focus between them every few weeks. Besides, invocation takes time, especially if you want the 2nd Celestial Coin. The more characters you have, the more time consuming it is to keep cycling through them for each invocation round.
I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Apparently you're the only one that still gets them that way. Or you've been hoarding from an alt army since before they nerfed invocation into oblivion.
alt army, he was one of the advocates of the leadership ad farm before it got nerfed ;-)
Sorry, I should have said...... The items for sale in the game store are the most expensive of any other game I have played.
Yeah on PC at least the game stores and zen stores have always been overpriced compared to the automated sources of supply. Without resolving that the AH will always be the better option for your purchases.
I got my VIP through grinding, and taking advantage of the 50% zen sale. you have got more chance of platting fog than there is chance of me renewing it, especially with my own money.
I find the comfort given by the VIP still woth it. And it can still pay itself if you sell a lot at the AH
The only ray of light left for me, is walking through traps without getting dmg. to the point where you can not walk. I was waiting for that moment. And when i got the VIP to the appropriate ranking , to do that, we had a guild "trap" runs. Or to say, a contest who will hit as many traps as possible. I enjoyed those runs. It made it worth the effort. I still remember the joy of jumping from trap to trap in ECC. They did not have a healer that run. But who cares, it was worth it. :P
On a side note : pink dye : 8k AH purple dye : 7.5 or 6 K AH black / white / red : 5 or 6 K
2 bars per dye .. it can be done.
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lirithielMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 2,482Arc User
I still have more Coal Wards stored in my bank than I need, getting the majority of them from Wondrous Boxes during invocation.
Gotta say I hate your luck! I went from Beta for the first 4 months with 2 characters and got about 8. Then for the next (approx) 18 months with upto 8 characters = nothing at all, not even pres wards (that's around 1000 boxes btw). Then since EE Mod 6 with 10 characters I have got 2 from coffers (within 3 boxes of each other), that's another approx 350. No pres wards again.
So for me, the removal from the trade bar store is a very BIG deal - I seem to be wearing Coal Ward repellent armour when it comes to the boxes RNG chances. Hence my decision is the QOL advantages do not meet the requirements of why I wanted VIP.
I'm pretty sure Zeb has a TON of alts, thus significantly increasing his chances.
Which I invested in by buying character slots and playing those characters. I have only a few characters I haven't played yet, and they're just serving as extra storage space until I get around to playing them. It's not like me having a good number of characters equates to having an unearned advantage. I paid for those character in some form, whether in game earned AD to Zen or by buying Zen outright to get more characters, as well as buying packs that gave me more characters.
Those characters also aren't simply just an "invocation army." I actually play most of my characters, rotating focus between them every few weeks. Besides, invocation takes time, especially if you want the 2nd Celestial Coin. The more characters you have, the more time consuming it is to keep cycling through them for each invocation round.
Why so defensive Zeb? He's merely stating that your chances are greatly increased by the amount of alts you have to invoke with and he is totally correct. Nothing else was implied...
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silverkeltMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 4,235Arc User
short answer : yes. Longer answer.. tbar store is clearly not a great value any longer.
Sadly.. they devauled the program around 20% of the entire value. I never like to see things get devalued like that.
Same went when they crashed the stronghold weapons into professions, I thought that was a terrible move (still do) it was one of the cheapest and cheesiest things they ever did here.
Frankly, I wish they kept the OLD tbar value at 200 and never touched it.
I think at that pricing , it wouldve been more sane and we couldve all gotten 1 cward a month with the program (a good return)
Sadly.. we were penalized due to xbox.. they have a crashed market.. have had people who KNEW of existing pc program and knew that if they heavily invested in tbars.. there immediate return on the 1st day or two of new market wouldve been sky high.
THIS is what come by having two separate platforms on such a BIG different cycle.
Xbox has ruined alot of the game for me.. I feel like in the past year.. all they have done is cater /market to that crowd and until those players all get geared up and get bored like we are.. they will not give us anything even close to playable. alot of the time investement seems to have stemed from just getting that project going. If you could tell me that profit made by adding neverwinter to xbox funds development.. GREAT! But alas.. DOES anyone see that? at all? I sure dont.
The start of this was EE.. but the end is probably a year away.
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This game is by far the most expensive game I have ever played.
As it has been said, many many times in the past, if items were cheaper, people would buy them from the zen store.
As it stands now, I will probably never spend another cent on this game.
So who's going to buy these items? The new players, that hardly make a few AD here and there while leveling up their characters?
Yes, it's worth it.
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Tbars were just to good to past by so everyone and their mother bought the thing.
I love being able to summon the signpost, mailbox and the bank vault on will...these 3 alone makes it worth it IMO.
A proud member of "mythical horde of DPS GFs"
1). Is SW more dps or tank based?
2). Yes. I am panzer!
3). Get ACT if you want to celebrate your epeen.
4). Horniness will not stand between me and what I believe - "MM"
At the moment, I can't imagine I can play without VIP feature.
Yes, it sucks that I can't buy any C-ward from T-bar regardless if it is 75 or 200.
It sucks more if I don't have VIP.
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But in the end, the Coals drop is still random and nothing you can rely on.
I got 2 c-ward from invocation chests in the last 2xRP. I don't open them one at a time. I open a batch during 2xRP only.
So for me, the removal from the trade bar store is a very BIG deal - I seem to be wearing Coal Ward repellent armour when it comes to the boxes RNG chances. Hence my decision is the QOL advantages do not meet the requirements of why I wanted VIP.
I use the same approach for any box/chest.
The items for sale in the game store are the most expensive of any other game I have played.
I am happy to financially support a game when I am getting entertainment value from it.
As I did with this one with my 12 months of VIP and a Dragon pack.
However, it's starting to feel like I HAVE to spend real money instead of being encouraged to spend real money.
It is only a game after all, and there are other games out there.
Those characters also aren't simply just an "invocation army." I actually play most of my characters, rotating focus between them every few weeks. Besides, invocation takes time, especially if you want the 2nd Celestial Coin. The more characters you have, the more time consuming it is to keep cycling through them for each invocation round.
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so no, I don't think it's worth it.
I was waiting for that moment. And when i got the VIP to the appropriate ranking , to do that, we had a guild "trap" runs.
Or to say, a contest who will hit as many traps as possible. I enjoyed those runs. It made it worth the effort.
I still remember the joy of jumping from trap to trap in ECC. They did not have a healer that run. But who cares, it was worth it. :P
On a side note : pink dye : 8k AH
purple dye : 7.5 or 6 K AH
black / white / red : 5 or 6 K
2 bars per dye .. it can be done.
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Longer answer.. tbar store is clearly not a great value any longer.
Sadly.. they devauled the program around 20% of the entire value.
I never like to see things get devalued like that.
Same went when they crashed the stronghold weapons into professions, I thought that was a terrible move (still do) it was one of the cheapest and cheesiest things they ever did here.
Frankly, I wish they kept the OLD tbar value at 200 and never touched it.
I think at that pricing , it wouldve been more sane and we couldve all gotten 1 cward a month with the program (a good return)
Sadly.. we were penalized due to xbox.. they have a crashed market.. have had people who KNEW of existing pc program and knew that if they heavily invested in tbars.. there immediate return on the 1st day or two of new market wouldve been sky high.
THIS is what come by having two separate platforms on such a BIG different cycle.
Xbox has ruined alot of the game for me.. I feel like in the past year.. all they have done is cater /market to that crowd and until those players all get geared up and get bored like we are.. they will not give us anything even close to playable. alot of the time investement seems to have stemed from just getting that project going. If you could tell me that profit made by adding neverwinter to xbox funds development.. GREAT! But alas.. DOES anyone see that? at all? I sure dont.
The start of this was EE.. but the end is probably a year away.
Thats along time to wait for viable game play.