No way. Getting that horn is not easy, and it's one of the only reasonable ways low IL toons can get ready for higher level content. Make the other sets not suck (and in the meantime fix all the worthless campaign items, and add actual dungeon loot so people have a reason to run them again). Don't nerf Lostmauth.
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putzboy78Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,950Arc User
No
lostmauth set has been in place for nearly a year. No reason to nerf it at this point since everyone has built around it. The trick should be to make other sets viable. Look at imperial and compare to lostmauth and not even on paper does imperial hold up.
Lostmauth had to have been designed with the old stat curve in mind. Specifically that DR on crit was at around 32% and yes that was a total oversight by the design team.
I say let it lie until the next lvl cap increase, we are to far into the lvl 70 era to change it now.
That being said, if NOTHING is done to the eLoL Set, something SHOULD be done to buff the other sets to be at least somewhat competitive w/the eLoL Set.
I'd be fine w/either:
1. Bring eLoL Set performance into balance with the current performance of other Sets. 2. Bring other Sets into balance with the current eLoL Set.
I'd actually prefer option 1 - as option 2 means that without a set, you are being left behind. I should be able to choose the CON belt on my OP, or the DEX belt, or the INT belt, or even many of the Necks and Belts you can make in Jewelcrafting, rather than having to have a set in-order to be viable.
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obsiddiaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,025Arc User
yeah, other sets need a power up and a rework. But this doesn't solve the issue. Lostmauth set damage is too floating. Making it under damage buffs, what happens is that some classes (GWFs) can boost the bonus to OP levels. What you need is to normalize it (yeah, i use this term a lot). When i say "normalize" i mean that the bonus must deal the same amount of damage and provide the same amount of DPS boost, on every class. To achieve this you just must unlink it from weapon damage and damage buffs, which change a lot across classes.
So you make it, for example, a fixed amount of damage, let's say 3k, that is boosted by crit severity. So the 3k damage can become 6k at 100% crit severity, or 7.5k if the player got 150% crit severity (P.Vorpal+). ICD on the bonus of 1 second (or DoT classes would get too much damage from it).
Which is still a very good amount of damage, but available equally to all DPS classes.
About other sets:
- must increase the damage on those sets, like BI set, that deal a low amount of damage. Must increase it to be good on, for example, non-crit builds. Damage must be on par with eLoL set, but unlinked from crit. For example, 2k piercing damage on every hit, with 1s internal cooldown (ICD).
- lathander set must resurrect the player out of soulforged, so players using it are not forced to use SF as armor enchant. Cooldown on the resurrect must be a bit higher than a SF resurrection. And goes on cooldown if you get resurrected by another "source" (soulforged). This way, for example, a user with negation+lathander gets resurrected and healed every 90s. Same user with SF gets resurrected every 75 seconds (perfect+), creating a small sinergy. Fix the bug that makes anvil of doom and SE, delete the healing effect (sometimes finishers like those two moves, make you resurrect with oly base SF HPs (10k) instead of the total HP.
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erosennin92Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 38Arc User
No
NO! The answer to balance is not just adjusting ONE set, but to consider all of them and how they interact with the classes in order to give equal (or semi-equal) alternatives to everyone.
It is not a matter of how il LM Set overpowered atm, but a matter of "are really the other set bonuses as impacting as LM's one?".
Azeroth Godwill - (Half)Drow - Virtuous AC DC - iLvL 4k
No, many of f2p players grinded for months until we managed to buy the artifact for over two-third a million AD. We are not those GWFs nor CWs who will get one-third of extra dps from the set effect, we just get that tiny boost of maybe 5-10% dps ( acceptable? ) but after we spent so many effort to get it, everyone saying there are two classes who are too OP with the set so nerf this set pls. Why not just revise the interaction of LoL set with CW and GWF and tune their effect on these 2 classes down?? Please be fair to all players especially those who spent great amount of time and AD for this set.
No thanks Fix CLASS balances FIRST before item balances Its the basic on any MMORPG
And not everyone coughs up AD (not anymore) nor the luck to get it from a chest just to simply throw it away in case its adjustments faceplants it to the ground.
The set needs to be adjusted.Mod6 rework was done cause of the powerful sets in the game and the armor set bonuses. The devs made them obsolete and said from now on,they will not introduce again such powerfull sets.
They break that with the LostM Set,and what a coinsidense we are back again to mod2/3/4/5.Adds are melted and dungeons are done in 6-8 mins. Adjust the set,and do not buff the others.The damage must come by wise stat distribution and gameplay(rotations etc). Not of a broken, not WAI set.
They break that with the LostM Set,and what a coinsidense we are back again to mod2/3/4/5.Adds are melted and dungeons are done in 6-8 mins.
Nop. Dungoens after module 6 start where very tough with the DR bug. All they had to do is to fix the DR bug. They did and 1000s of ppl still cryed about that dungeons are still to hard. So they made them so easy that we are almost got module 5. It started not with LM set. Funny thing: After the fixing most of the players still doing cragmuire with bug using...lol
So, list of arguments why peoples doesnt wanna adjust Lostmauth: 1) Because they are spend many ADs to get this to legendary. -> You know it that its bugged, so why the hell are you now crying? 2) Because they are losing a lot of damage. -> Passive damage is not way. Did you think that adjust is only one thing to fix this game? 3) Because they are thinking thats its fine. -> Sure, make ACT logs and compare this with your powers. 4) Because its gonna to interrupt SWs in PvP by lowering Soul Sparks gaining. -> Soon you gonna to get rework, so why are you crying?
You just dont wanna guys to any changes in this game, what i can say more? Lostmauth set is version 2 of Imperial Set with higher uptime. Stormspell, deep gash werent fair and they nerfed it. Lostmauth its this same thing what these old broken stuffs.
One big BS. SWs have although got attention from devs. HRs are blow off by devs for much longer than your class. You are should be happy that devs saying anything about your class on forum and the medias.
That "soon" received sw rework was promised year ago. Still we wait and i'm really surprised if anything happens this year. Every sw player knows that set is only good for spark gain, actual dps boost is very little. But as a hell bringer i don't even gain benefit from spark gain, i'm only worried about AD loss.
if you guys want balanced game hard contents +rewards stop being selfish or childish..it doesnt matter what you guys think or how much time/ad you have wasted to get lolset its broken we all know that and things cant be balanced around broken items. if you want to save this game stop being childish/selfish little kids. there is so much to do and this is just one step but its good step.
lolset bonus on GWF sometimes tops the orignal damage, having more than a 100% bonus dependant on buffs, that´s stated several times same you can find at GF but not that crazy, I recognized up to 50% lolsetboni only looking once in my log some wrote they want to balance classes arround that set, telling to keep it as it is and balance classes according to the damageoutput.... I never heared anything more stupid, sry
If the people that voted yes held the majority opinion in the poll, would they still try to be invaliding it by saying it's too small a pool for a definitive conclusion? Ofcourse not. No one likes to lose so instead its straw-man attack the poll.
Look, if this forum voting pool is invalid at getting a opinion from the community, what's the alternative? Log into the game and ask every player "hey lost set, buff or leave?" That's not possible. Emotion > reason. IMO, this forum poll is the best way to get an opinion-metric Strum asked for. It's not perfect, but putting human opinion and numbers in the same framework never is. And the metric points to no.
Remember some of the old sets that were OP? Where they go? Everything you're wearing will be obsolete sooner or later.
Stop with the insults and realize others having an opinion other then yours doesn't make them ignorant, stupid, childish (those are just from the last 3 posts in this thread). Calm down. Constructive conflict is what makes humans unique.
There are so many other messed up things that deserve more attention than this set I play HR so get no great benefit from it I use the lathandars set for survival but the stats need a increase for the set to produce like it should. The EloL set is good for now due to new pets coming but certain classes get big benefits from the set and class balance is the issue not the set.
im very calm dude.you all should stop for couple hours and think just think how can you balance anything with broken gear broken basics etc? you just cant.but hey there really is better games out there my opinion still is the set is broken. think about this. lets make gloves for dps classes: they give same stats for everyone but they have special damage 50000dmg when gwf wears these gloves +stats. 40000dmg when cw wears these gloves +stats. 5000dmg when hr wears these gloves +stats and all the others in between but cos they give so good stats and there still is this bonus we all use it is this balanced ?
In case the majority really thinks it would be benefitial to buff all other sets to make them equally broken, what would you suggest? Valindra set get´s a 100% controlbonus? --> It will be amusing to read the crying threads about CW´s soloing every dungeon, me having left this sinking ship at that time and I am sure I will see the same "smart" guys, crying rivers how that could have happened and they want a rework of their class to do the same with a, lets say GF, because it´s said to be a leader, defender and a -->controler <-- . . . . Black Ice set: instead of a chance to deal 10% unresistable weapon damage, it´s a 50% chance to deal 10% on top? Seldarin: heals for 10% taking bigger hits? ..... no solutions for this game, things getting more and more broken the new companions surely are the next generation of gamebreaking BS this game is condemned to break its own neck
No. It seems most want this Nerfed purely for us GWFs. If you take away one set mechanic for our DPS.. What will you give the GWF for compensation? We are a melee character with little to no CC.
take a look at this post....DONT ask from players what to do if the thing IS Reported 1000times broken its broken and its proven.stop this madness
I want all sets to be relatively equal, I don't care if they nerf one or buff the rest. but I want to have options. for eah playstyle.
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unknowndramaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 115Arc User
No
Lostmouth Set dont need a nerf..it helps a lot non dps classes why should be nerfed becose some ppl cant stand that a dps class do so much dmg then them or becose that what pvpvers wants? This nerfs demand is from 4k+ pvp players SO NO TO NERF!!!! BUFF THE SET PLS!!!
Lostmouth Set dont need a nerf..it helps a lot non dps classes why should be nerfed becose some ppl cant stand that a dps class do so much dmg then them or becose that what pvpvers wants? This nerfs demand is from 4k+ pvp players SO NO TO NERF!!!! BUFF THE SET PLS!!!
Because it SHOULDN'T help non DPS classes... because the OTHER sets should have that function... because a mixture of "nerfing" = FIXING it and "buffing" = FIXING the other sets is the way...
puuh..while in pvp you need something the whole pvp in this game is a joke...so it needs rebalance. and listen to your self how wrong is this "If you completely nerf the mechanic of the ELOL set due to the complaint of GWFs, what Is there left to do with the class itself?" means its balanced ???haha do you think that those who wants elol set fixed means that thats all is needed for making all things balanced ??+ no its just one step. its still broke and you and others have proven how broken it is just like basic balance measures in this game
unknowndramaMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 115Arc User
No
Because it SHOULDN'T help non DPS classes... because the OTHER sets should have that function... because a mixture of "nerfing" = FIXING it and "buffing" = FIXING the other sets is the way...
Devs... use the Force... I have faith in you >.> Oh then if should be use only by dps classes then devs pls make the set usable only by the classes that have as main abilitys scores only strenght and dexterity ...wth healers should pay a dps class to do theyr daily and what about those bosses whit millions of hp like SH dragons where small and medium guilds they barely take down few dragons maybe devs should reduce amount of stats that rank 12 enchants give to stats maybe or why "everyone"ask for nerfing one set and dont ask for buffing black ice set and imperial that no one of "elites" uses? Pls devs add a server just for pvp and you can nerf and buff there every week as they like
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Lostmauth had to have been designed with the old stat curve in mind. Specifically that DR on crit was at around 32% and yes that was a total oversight by the design team.
I say let it lie until the next lvl cap increase, we are to far into the lvl 70 era to change it now.
Getting the set was a pain. Just don't buff something without figuring
out all the possible exploits it may cause.
You should certainly make it easier to get the Black Ice set.
To those saying "just buff other sets":
yeah, other sets need a power up and a rework. But this doesn't solve the issue. Lostmauth set damage is too floating. Making it under damage buffs, what happens is that some classes (GWFs) can boost the bonus to OP levels.
What you need is to normalize it (yeah, i use this term a lot). When i say "normalize" i mean that the bonus must deal the same amount of damage and provide the same amount of DPS boost, on every class.
To achieve this you just must unlink it from weapon damage and damage buffs, which change a lot across classes.
So you make it, for example, a fixed amount of damage, let's say 3k, that is boosted by crit severity. So the 3k damage can become 6k at 100% crit severity, or 7.5k if the player got 150% crit severity (P.Vorpal+).
ICD on the bonus of 1 second (or DoT classes would get too much damage from it).
Which is still a very good amount of damage, but available equally to all DPS classes.
About other sets:
- must increase the damage on those sets, like BI set, that deal a low amount of damage. Must increase it to be good on, for example, non-crit builds. Damage must be on par with eLoL set, but unlinked from crit. For example, 2k piercing damage on every hit, with 1s internal cooldown (ICD).
- lathander set must resurrect the player out of soulforged, so players using it are not forced to use SF as armor enchant. Cooldown on the resurrect must be a bit higher than a SF resurrection. And goes on cooldown if you get resurrected by another "source" (soulforged). This way, for example, a user with negation+lathander gets resurrected and healed every 90s. Same user with SF gets resurrected every 75 seconds (perfect+), creating a small sinergy.
Fix the bug that makes anvil of doom and SE, delete the healing effect (sometimes finishers like those two moves, make you resurrect with oly base SF HPs (10k) instead of the total HP.
The answer to balance is not just adjusting ONE set, but to consider all of them and how they interact with the classes in order to give equal (or semi-equal) alternatives to everyone.
It is not a matter of how il LM Set overpowered atm, but a matter of "are really the other set bonuses as impacting as LM's one?".
Azeroth Godwill - (Half)Drow - Virtuous AC DC - iLvL 4k
Fix CLASS balances FIRST before item balances
Its the basic on any MMORPG
And not everyone coughs up AD (not anymore) nor the luck to get it from a chest just to simply throw it away in case its adjustments faceplants it to the ground.
still voted yes
The devs made them obsolete and said from now on,they will not introduce again such powerfull sets.
They break that with the LostM Set,and what a coinsidense we are back again to mod2/3/4/5.Adds are melted and dungeons are done in 6-8 mins.
Adjust the set,and do not buff the others.The damage must come by wise stat distribution and gameplay(rotations etc).
Not of a broken, not WAI set.
Funny thing:
After the fixing most of the players still doing cragmuire with bug using...lol
1) Because they are spend many ADs to get this to legendary.
-> You know it that its bugged, so why the hell are you now crying?
2) Because they are losing a lot of damage.
-> Passive damage is not way. Did you think that adjust is only one thing to fix this game?
3) Because they are thinking thats its fine.
-> Sure, make ACT logs and compare this with your powers.
4) Because its gonna to interrupt SWs in PvP by lowering Soul Sparks gaining.
-> Soon you gonna to get rework, so why are you crying?
You just dont wanna guys to any changes in this game, what i can say more? Lostmauth set is version 2 of Imperial Set with higher uptime. Stormspell, deep gash werent fair and they nerfed it. Lostmauth its this same thing what these old broken stuffs.
@taitinhakkaaja
One big BS. SWs have although got attention from devs. HRs are blow off by devs for much longer than your class. You are should be happy that devs saying anything about your class on forum and the medias.
Every sw player knows that set is only good for spark gain, actual dps boost is very little. But as a hell bringer i don't even gain benefit from spark gain, i'm only worried about AD loss.
if you want to save this game stop being childish/selfish little kids.
there is so much to do and this is just one step but its good step.
same you can find at GF but not that crazy, I recognized up to 50% lolsetboni only looking once in my log
some wrote they want to balance classes arround that set, telling to keep it as it is and balance classes according to the damageoutput....
I never heared anything more stupid, sry
If the people that voted yes held the majority opinion in the poll, would they still try to be invaliding it by saying it's too small a pool for a definitive conclusion? Ofcourse not. No one likes to lose so instead its straw-man attack the poll.
Look, if this forum voting pool is invalid at getting a opinion from the community, what's the alternative?
Log into the game and ask every player "hey lost set, buff or leave?" That's not possible. Emotion > reason.
IMO, this forum poll is the best way to get an opinion-metric Strum asked for. It's not perfect, but putting human opinion and numbers in the same framework never is. And the metric points to no.
Remember some of the old sets that were OP? Where they go?
Everything you're wearing will be obsolete sooner or later.
Stop with the insults and realize others having an opinion other then yours doesn't make them ignorant, stupid, childish (those are just from the last 3 posts in this thread). Calm down. Constructive conflict is what makes humans unique.
think about this.
lets make gloves for dps classes: they give same stats for everyone but they have special damage
50000dmg when gwf wears these gloves +stats.
40000dmg when cw wears these gloves +stats.
5000dmg when hr wears these gloves +stats
and all the others in between
but cos they give so good stats and there still is this bonus we all use it is this balanced ?
Valindra set get´s a 100% controlbonus?
--> It will be amusing to read the crying threads about CW´s soloing every dungeon, me having left this sinking ship at that time
and I am sure I will see the same "smart" guys, crying rivers how that could have happened and they want a rework of their class to do the same with a, lets say GF, because it´s said to be a leader, defender and a -->controler <--
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Black Ice set: instead of a chance to deal 10% unresistable weapon damage, it´s a 50% chance to deal 10% on top?
Seldarin: heals for 10% taking bigger hits?
.....
no solutions for this game, things getting more and more broken
the new companions surely are the next generation of gamebreaking BS
this game is condemned to break its own neck
THINK before you post anything.
This nerfs demand is from 4k+ pvp players SO NO TO NERF!!!!
BUFF THE SET PLS!!!
Devs... use the Force... I have faith in you >.>
and listen to your self how wrong is this "If you completely nerf the mechanic of the ELOL set due to the complaint of GWFs, what Is there left to do with the class itself?" means its balanced ???haha
do you think that those who wants elol set fixed means that thats all is needed for making all things balanced ??+
no its just one step.
its still broke and you and others have proven how broken it is just like basic balance measures in this game
Because it SHOULDN'T help non DPS classes... because the OTHER sets should have that function... because a mixture of "nerfing" = FIXING it and "buffing" = FIXING the other sets is the way...
Devs... use the Force... I have faith in you >.>
Oh then if should be use only by dps classes then devs pls make the set usable only by the classes that have as main abilitys scores only strenght and dexterity ...wth healers should pay a dps class to do theyr daily and what about those bosses whit millions of hp like SH dragons where small and medium guilds they barely take down few dragons maybe devs should reduce amount of stats that rank 12 enchants give to stats maybe or why "everyone"ask for nerfing one set and dont ask for buffing black ice set and imperial that no one of "elites" uses?
Pls devs add a server just for pvp and you can nerf and buff there every week as they like