I'm frustrated, discouraged and getting burnt out.. No costing changes = getting tired of game.

silverkelt

This last month(last 30 days) I put in around 250k AD in my guild coffers, that's around 10 days worth of MAX AD creation , or 30% of your entire time creating AD on one toon a month.

All I do lately is run DDS and farm influence, thats all I have time for average 6-7 runs a day and a couple toons of influence..

Im VERY burnt out at the moment, NEVER have I felt forced into just doing this to progress, then I DONT even feel like I can progress due to the costing of items.

You are burning us out, please, PLEASE change costing on items and revamp this, when players like me (IE players who have stuck with you even with the debacle you have had) are getting tired of being forced into one thing all the time , how can we find fun in your game.

Im sick and tired of being forced into doing one thing to progress (I dont even feel like I can pvp atm, as you make less per hour pvping by far) even with JUST pretty much farming DDS ALL the time, I simply cannot afford to drop in the NEEDED strong hold costing , let alone discussing the ridiculous pricing to upgrade companions and the million other things we need and also progress my toons.

This will be the last comment I will make on this, just like the IGNORED feedback on RP, we are sick and tired of playing a game we DO not feel like we can progress on.

Im STUCK in progress, Frustrated at the state of the game, Discouraged that feedback wasn't listened to on COSTING , and feeling BURNT out due to the above.

instynctive

I'm pretty burned out on the game as well.. I log in to invoke and profession and hang out with my guildmates.

zukn75

I agree fully with silverkelt, there's not much else to say, he's summed it all up very well.

blinxon

100% agree with silverkelt. Im so sick of it: Log in, grind influence, log twink, grind influence etc etc.......

silverkelt

7 runs will average me around 3 hours or so of game time.
2 influence farming another 30 mins .
another hour for maintenance items and invoking.

that leaves me around 30 mins left of my daily play time give or take to do 1 dragonflight maybe, or a random GG or a siege.. MAYBE.

So out of my 5 hours a day, Ive dedicated 3 hours just to TRY to create AD to progress.. or a cool 60% of my time.

and as noted before, 30% of your entire game time for ONE toon a month is eating away with just stronghold donation, that is up from like 3-4 % before leadership nerfing.. and I had no qualms throwing in 10k a day of AD back then.. I would just do it every day pretty much.

NOW? Its painful.

5 hours a day x 7 days a week = approx 35 hours a week (almost a full time job) and 60% of that time is dedicated to one thing.. which I DONT even feel helps me at all..

Something has to give.

I know others play more, others play less, Ive never played other mmos where that average wasnt good enough to progress though.

torontodave

take a week vacation. =D

I know everyone on my friendslist is in the pre-mod 'holding pattern' .. doing some HE's for influence, but mostly just waiting to see what the proposed changes bring.

I myself will probably copy a character over to the PTR and help bugtest the next mod. nothing really much for me to do on live. =D

silverkelt

Taking time off will just put me further behind.. If I take extended time off, I usually start answering brutal honest answers to .. why am I doing this still.

Im giving them a broadside reminder that we are not happy.

I want to slap all of the people who think the game is better off right now then before leadership.. IT could be if they actually fixed costing, but they are way, WAY to slow on this item.

kemi1984

Man I feel you, but if the game is such a pain just take a few days off (damn even this feels/sounds like a job).
Don't treat it like a job or you will hate it very, very soon.

We all do the same thing, run dungs, farm inf, do a Drag run once in a while...professions (yay) than log.
And to think that some time ago I logged and thought "the hell...where do I even start ?!??!"

A mere shadow of its former self this game.

torontodave

silverkelt said:

I want to slap all of the people who think the game is better off right now then before leadership.. IT could be if they actually fixed costing, but they are way, WAY to slow on this item.

It took them a year plus to finally address the issue that was leadership AD armies.

You expect them to change all cascading cost mismatches in a week? That's unreasonable. =/

The leadership nerf had to happen. There wouldn't be a game left if it didn't.

You see bots in PE are actually BUYING AD now? =P

lirithiel

I probably wouldn't be doing much of anything at all if it wan't for the Double RP event coming at the end of October. It's the only way I feel I can progress on any of my toons. Basically doing all the RP Leadership tasks to save up for the event. I'm not dropping a dime/AD on this game until adjustments are made to AD sinks. I'm not going to fork out 500-1m AD per companion to upgrade now when there is a minuscule chance that prices will be lowered. Until then I'm stuck in limbo, waiting for some sense to dawn on the devs before they ruin this game completely.

zukn75

I'm going to repeat what I said in another thread ( Devs taught me about recycling ):
"This is part of the problem, some of us suspect big changes may be coming, and therefore are unwilling to commit our resources or time to so as to avoid feeling "ripped off". Everything about the game seems unstable right now.
Frankly running the same content over and over again does not provide enough entertainment, a "reward" is needed to entice replay, but I feel the value of the "rewards" for running what limited content we have is insufficient. Especially as the value of what can be gained with said "rewards" can change drastically at the drop of a patch, these aren't minor tweaks that are occurring recently they have been great big hammer blows. "

iandarksword

I too am in progression limbo. I've been dabbling on two Foundry quests, it's slow to develop, but I've gotten a few maps populated. I've run each of the easy DD's and Kessel's over and over. I try to avoid the laggier areas and dungeons. I've stacked my Dread Ring tasks so one day a week I complete those, because I have time. It's not burnout as much as boredom...

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silverkelt

torontodave said:

take a week vacation. =D

I know everyone on my friendslist is in the pre-mod 'holding pattern' .. doing some HE's for influence, but mostly just waiting to see what the proposed changes bring.

I myself will probably copy a character over to the PTR and help bugtest the next mod. nothing really much for me to do on live. =D

Oh please.. you and I both know, they switched off leadership when income from purchased slots started tailing off.. which only probably happened because they HACKED job mod 6 so bad. If they didnt do that, we probably wouldnt even have a change.

They can commit and change a COSTING item a week with little need to pull resources out of other projects.

I AND many of us would be happy with a announced schedule of sorts.

Week 1 (starting this next week) strong hold costing.
Week 2 Companion Costing.
Week 3 Boon costing.

and so forth.

Lack of communication , lack of commitment is hurting this game.

It doesnt take a year.. there is no way Im staying put here for a YEAR for them to fix this.. They have limited time , their dragging of feet hasn't helped this game.

The game isnt better then it was before the leadership change, IT COULD be , if they listen to feedback and hurry up about the changes.

silverkelt

oh.. and h.a.c.k.e.d is a filtered word.. oh come on. lol

rayrdan

i think the situation is heading in a right direction but the velocity of their reaction is so slow that they pretty much killed every possible form of fun in game. I once used to like pvp regardless the balance.... more or less... then dailies went and bye bye pvp too.

yes its boring beyond belief, blame dungeons missing, blame balance, blame more than all costs of fixed stuffs, blame even more the lack of loot....boring

i had high expectation for this weekly patch but like always every change is a "wait 1 year or so^TM"

banaanc

atm im given up on progress, i play only while i wait for friends to get on for a few dotas, speedrun some dungeons(etos is ~ 12 min atm) and skirmishes for some ad so i can buy next vip, open a vip lockbox, run a few quests around sh, no chance ill be getting gear from sh since sh are not made for small guilds, i dont even see much reason to upgrade from ilvl 132 to ilvl 135, maybe the seals will be useful in mod8, do some leadership for RP, nothing really worth doing and ive been playing sh for some 2 weeks only

silverkelt

This is RP all over again..

Veteren players on RP " its too gated fix it"
Response " we are looking at data's we will get back to you"

LOL..

But the cycle is worse now then ever, THEY have less playerbase then ever before to dole out such harsh treatment to us.

They cant continue to ignore all feedback and get free passes all the time.

Costing is wrong, implementation of leadership changes were incorrect without BALANCE to costing across the board AT THAT time.

Its now been weeks, gmop isnt enough. FIX this today or at least GIVE us a schedule of fixes.. so we have hope, hope goes along way you know.

Communication..
COMMUNICATION...

lirithiel

Communication is so alien to Cryptic they probably think it's something you sprinkle over your cornflakes...

praxaxe

I agree with all of the above but I would add that while agree that the leadership change was needed the dev should have revamped the entire economy and did it all at once. Doing things slow and secret is only giving players opportunities to find something else to do. I agree this could be the best game on the web but right now it is an utter joke. A completely unplayable mess. Stop looking for new content and fix things we desperately need like a stable economy and reasonable character progression. We understand that money is an issue but you can't trick money out of our pockets. Gamers reward solid, clever programming so do that instead of the ridiculous model you are currently trying to chase. Don't be 'Slippin' Jimmie' who makes multiple small time scores. Be Saul Goodman who brings everything to the next level and make phat stacks regular and reliable.

hmdq

OP you need easy AD? BUY it instead a webpage brainless and painfull game with a smash-button and 947383627 ccs.

This is a f2p game ok the core game is free and for sexies things you need to buy because the company not donate to you. The progression exists with SH but not the way many would like "mommy want it now!"

And yes we need some tweaks in relation to the ad sink previously created, but not enough to make anyone rich!

It would be obvious if the players think and that's why the devs systematically ignore this kind of outbreak .

flyingleon

The high costs of surplus euipments and AD for SH need to be addressed. We should either get more blue drops or blue drops count more points. For AD, it is simple. Let leadership profession give AD vouchers.

In addition for dragonflight, either make this event easier or make it more rewarding.

beckylunatic

torontodave said:

You see bots in PE are actually BUYING AD now? =P

Goldsellers always have bought AD. I met a very motivated AH flipper not so long after launch that it took me several conversations with to realize that his Neverwinter earnings constituted part of his real-world income.

silverkelt

hquadros said:

OP you need easy AD? BUY it instead a webpage brainless and painfull game with a smash-button and 947383627 ccs.



This is a f2p game ok the core game is free and for sexies things you need to buy because the company not donate to you. The progression exists with SH but not the way many would like "mommy want it now!"



And yes we need some tweaks in relation to the ad sink previously created, but not enough to make anyone rich!



It would be obvious if the players think and that's why the devs systematically ignore this kind of outbreak .

.. and what is your ideal of spending money.. I will average a couple thousand dollars in the lifetime of my playtime.. dont call me a freeloader, I have my vip, my purchased mount, some packs, some bags, some toys ect.. all of my FORMER ad army came from purchased slots.. I DIDNT use AD ever to buy zen..

This isnt me crying over not having the latest mount.. I could care less about top shelf toys, I either get some or I dont.

WHAT im not willing to do is drop 1k of us dollars down a month to progress in a game.. I want to play to progress.. not pay to progress.

Too many spout this.. Im not a f2p person.. I will support a company , I will not however , throw money at a company for no valid reasons..

micky1p00

I think the main issue is that mod 7 didn't bring any content, a SH quest to go and do 3 quests from old campaign or a quest to do one of the already existing dungeons is not equal new content !
It's a forced grind that most were already tired of at mod 6, forcing more of it burns people out even faster.

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silverkelt said:

This last month(last 30 days) I put in around 250k AD in my guild coffers, that's around 10 days worth of MAX AD creation , or 30% of your entire time creating AD on one toon a month.

All I do lately is run DDS and farm influence, thats all I have time for average 6-7 runs a day and a couple toons of influence..

Im VERY burnt out at the moment, NEVER have I felt forced into just doing this to progress, then I DONT even feel like I can progress due to the costing of items.

You are burning us out, please, PLEASE change costing on items and revamp this, when players like me (IE players who have stuck with you even with the debacle you have had) are getting tired of being forced into one thing all the time , how can we find fun in your game.

Im sick and tired of being forced into doing one thing to progress (I dont even feel like I can pvp atm, as you make less per hour pvping by far) even with JUST pretty much farming DDS ALL the time, I simply cannot afford to drop in the NEEDED strong hold costing , let alone discussing the ridiculous pricing to upgrade companions and the million other things we need and also progress my toons.

This will be the last comment I will make on this, just like the IGNORED feedback on RP, we are sick and tired of playing a game we DO not feel like we can progress on.

Im STUCK in progress, Frustrated at the state of the game, Discouraged that feedback wasn't listened to on COSTING , and feeling BURNT out due to the above.

Mate, you need to take a break. Suggest you download another FtP game or two and try 'em. Chances are they'll remind you of all the stuff you like about NW and you'll be ready to dive back in. Clunky combat seems to be rife in most of those games. There is only one I'm still dabbling with but the jury is still out.

ghoulz66

SHs feels worst than EE. SHs is just a bunch of quest givers telling you to grind *OLD* content. How the hell is that fresh and new?

iandarksword

It's difficult to find the urge to spend money when you aren't having fun. That's the bottom line really. When I found the game enjoyable, I had considered buying VIP packs, but now I'm glad I held off. I have a real world job, real world vehicles that at times will need repairs, (like having a transmission rebuilt for $1500) so my budget for gaming is varied. If I were having fun, I'd be less concerned with throwing $20 here or there every few months.

plasticbat

I am a committed f2p player. I do not pay a cent to this game. I do not and did not have a leadership army. I have 8 characters. I don't use any bot. I am the one who did/do clicking. It is always a challenge to finance my heroes. I really don't expect Cryptic would do anything fast. Hence, when they did the LS nerf, I was surprised. My sky was not falling but I was surprised by how quick they did that. From the announcement of the intention to online was like a week. I also did not expect they drop the price of GMoP fast. Anyway, what I am trying to say is I never expect Cryptic will do anything fast to make our life easier.

Hence, in the meanwhile, I am trying to figure out how to make AD in other legit mean.
During this "depression" time, I look for deal in AH and stock them up. I do more monitoring than actual buying.
My profession slots of 8 characters are making stuff. I don't know if what they make can sell is "meaningful" or not but I just make them to increase inventory. May be one day their price can be inflated.
Doing SH dragon runs if possible to get blue seal to buy blue gear to stock them up and wait for 2xAD.
Doing dungeon runs to get AD + seal to buy gear to stock them and wait for 2xAD.

My current personal challenge is to use 2 characters' profession slots (16 slots) to somehow produce enough rAD to convert to Zen to pay for one month VIP subscription in 30 days. I already have VIP 12 and this is just a personal challenge. I do not play these 2 characters. Hence, they do not run dungeon or anything. They can do invocation, buy and sell, etc. I just want to know if that is possible in practice.