Just for your information, the AP wards do not work properly. And just for your information, the marks are not a bug or exploit like multiprocing, they are a (game breaking) feature WAI.
And yes, I am happy using AP drains and stamina drains against things like semi immortal OPs or trollin perma daily TRs.
As I said, its hypocritic to allow one broken thing but demand from others not to use a different broken thing. Not to speak about companions working in pvp. I have the feeling most of you dont even realize on how many levels pvp is currently imbalanced.
Call out Cryptic and their imcompetence in balancing, not the players who habe to live in this broken sh.it.
Got no beef with you like I said. You admit it. Others not so much. Problem is that our really good bis players(who wouldnt have approved of this HAMSTER and wouldve shamed the people using it enough to stop btw) mostly left this game already so this is what is left of the supposed "legit" pvp community: People making arguments for using HAMSTER like that on pugs and premades that might stand a chance but without access just yet. So gg I guess. Dont know what else to add. Itll be nerfed by the time my guild gets them I'm sure. Or at least I pray that's so.
"We did not intend to turn ACBs on for Domination PvP and they will be turned off in an upcoming build." "Domination is meant to be a different experience"
I fully agree with that, the Domination should they as a different experience! Now change the "Drain Overlords" to make it just usable on SH-PvP like ACB's
For Domination PvP - No ACB's - No Drain's
And we are going a good way.
<::::::[]==0 GwF 0==[]::::::> ● Still waiting for the promised Improvement ●
these drains/wards have killed the pvp activity now, though it may be seen as a way to only limit pvp to those who are similar geared or serious pvpers, since now you need to a rank 8 guild or GTFO.
But the activity for PvP just tanked. I personally stopped pvping until i got into a rank 8 guild, but it's too late. Theres barely anyone to play with and only 1 siege map active at a time.
Will the devs do something about these absurd enchantments? I doubt it, until we see the xbox players whine.
these drains/wards have killed the pvp activity now, though it may be seen as a way to only limit pvp to those who are similar geared or serious pvpers, since now you need to a rank 8 guild or GTFO.
But the activity for PvP just tanked. I personally stopped pvping until i got into a rank 8 guild, but it's too late. Theres barely anyone to play with and only 1 siege map active at a time.
Will the devs do something about these absurd enchantments? I doubt it, until we see the xbox players whine.
Same here.
Just found out that the wards don't work as expected. It only blocks off a teeney portion of the stamina/AP drain... so in the end, there's no way to avert the effects of those krapchit overloads.
Currently, without using those, there's no way to compete.
The PvP between two people using that krapchit? Dumb and stupid toe-to-toe punchfest where both sides have no defense mechanics, and just trade punches standing still.
For us TRs or HRs? TR - Drain-drain-drain-drain-drain-SE. Wow. Undodgeable SE. So fun. HR - stundrain-stundrain-stundrain-stundrain. Wow. Every enemy is combat dummy. So fun.
No, I'm not about to back down. I'm not using this chit against other people. It's f**king disgusting, what these overloads do. But then I now have no way to compete against others at all.
The only solution? Quit the game.
I guess I'll come back for a final look at NW with mod8 Underdark. If Underdark doesn't prove that the devs have finally understood what the problem is, then I guess this is it for me.
(ps) Congrats to all you GWF/TR players. Yes, I know this isn't your fault, but obviously, you guys are the sole beneficiaries of the drains now.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
Just found out that the wards don't work as expected. It only blocks off a teeney portion of the stamina/AP drain... so in the end, there's no way to avert the effects of those krapchit overloads.
They do block them off, as I have not noticed being drained whilst using it, so you need them if you want to do pvp "normally". So in order to do PvP they way you experienced before, you must be in a rank 8 guild or you can kiss pvp goodbye.
Oh, you haven't seen anything yet, wait until mod 8 or test server is up with a lot of the things being added.
I wish I could go into detail of what's in store for those PvPing and buying all these soon to be "version 1.0" companions (save your AD and Zen for next mod and companions "hint, hint".). There will be a LOOOONG river of tears on these forums soon.
News at 11
I may not be considered by most the BEST PVP Warlock on the server but, I am the most HATED amongst them.
Oh, you haven't seen anything yet, wait until mod 8 or test server is up with a lot of the things being added.
I wish I could go into detail of what's in store for those PvPing and buying all these soon to be "version 1.0" companions (save your AD and Zen for next mod and companions "hint, hint".). There will be a LOOOONG river of tears on these forums soon.
Just found out that the wards don't work as expected. It only blocks off a teeney portion of the stamina/AP drain... so in the end, there's no way to avert the effects of those krapchit overloads.
They do block them off, as I have not noticed being drained whilst using it, so you need them if you want to do pvp "normally". So in order to do PvP they way you experienced before, you must be in a rank 8 guild or you can kiss pvp goodbye.
AP ward grade 1 blocks grade 1 AP drain but 50% only on AP drain grade 2. When top guilds reach that level, even our grade 1 wards will fall, and untill we reach the same SH level, they will rule again.
But yeah, right now i'm using 1 AP ward and 1 stamina ward and they do protect me quite well.
It's not like it's a law or anything. I'm just trying to spread these views on grounds of ethics.........
Your viewpoints represent everything that the old players used to follow, however after a certain guild.......
just as easy for them to separate IT levels, leave the gears as is, as its something to work for, but why would you want to pvp against players who stand no chance, which is obviously what these p2w guilds are constantly doing now as they know that they dominate a area an other can not succeed in gaining items needed for progress, just like the siege i was in earlier today, other then the very few on the team who were bis i am sure not one of us got the fallen needed for new pvp, an the afor mentioned guilds are doing this on purpose , which is destroying the adventure of this game for those lessor an new players, pvp has become nothing but a joke, with p2w nobs using every bug possible, separate the IT levels of players , make these nobs fight their own levels of cheats that they have used through this game, as once a cheat always a cheat, and actually they should be banned, other then the fact that cryptic knows about these bugs an all we see every week is patches that do nothing to address the real problems in this game, ya sure they toss in a minor fix here an there , but when was the last time we saw them actually deal with fey an neg, an the many real bugs that have plagued this game for ages, just like needing 5 super gmops to go from perfect to pure, when its only suppose to be 2,nice scam. But thats how its been for a long time now, an you watch how long it takes them to fix this, cause they make money from it they wont for a real long time.
Your preaching to the priest... This and more is what we've been asking for since Mod 0. The issue now however is that the player base would suffer a significant que drought once an IT separation would be made... but with that being said, the game should start properly one day and hope for regrowth afterwards, otherwise it'll continue to be a downward slope.
People on this forum throw around the term "Cheater" way to easily.
No player, of any skill level should take blame for using anything that is implemented into the game, anything added by the developers is immediately considered "Part of the rules".
Just because the majority of the player base does not like the rules does not make them false. "Don't blame the player, Blame the game." which has unfortunately resulted in a large quantity of veteran players to quit.
~having new fledglings complain about the handwork and/or experience we put into this game is a different laughable matter entirely~
Cheater is a term reserved to those who edit the game with a 3rd party program and force the game to act in a way not supported by the developers.
I implore the "New" pvp community to analyze the matter intelligently and respond in a non-emotional way. By following that method, we can better serve the developers in a way that will make the game better for everyone.
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i am glad finally someone whistleblow on yourself to be some kind of charge for these guilds
not sure what your post mean honestly. You think that playerbase dont serve enough intelligently to devs and is too emotional? i dont think so. There is always many suggestions for devs to easy observe and guess what these topics are not biased by other players. Playerbase do very well.
if you care about players behaviour on the forum, i suggest to look at your guildies or other long term dedicated pvpers. I see them intentionally destroy many topics over time....
i am glad finally someone whistleblow on yourself to be some kind of charge for these guilds
not sure what your post mean honestly. You think that playerbase dont serve enough intelligently to devs and is too emotional? i dont think so. There is always many suggestions for devs to easy observe and guess what these topics are not biased by other players. Playerbase do very well.
if you care about players behaviour on the forum, i suggest to look at your guildies or other long term dedicated pvpers. I see them intentionally destroy many topics over time....
Thank you for providing evidence to support my post!
Theres a problem with the argument that you cant blame a player for using the bugs placed in game. The problem is there are supposed pros here that have the time to sit on preview and look for bugs that will go live because they wont report them. This way they and their guild can exploit them. This isnt "handwork" being put into the game, or "experience" that needs to be revered by the newer players, or the old for that matter. Its sad is what it is. And what you're rewarded with for the hand work youve done is no one to play against. Gg.
Theres a problem with the argument that you cant blame a player for using the bugs placed in game. The problem is there are supposed pros here that have the time to sit on preview and look for bugs that will go live because they wont report them. This way they and their guild can exploit them. This isnt "handwork" being put into the game, or "experience" that needs to be revered by the newer players, or the old for that matter. Its sad is what it is. And what you're rewarded with for the hand work youve done is no one to play against. Gg.
No, I'm pretty sure the problem is most feedbacks and bug reports are ignored. The Devs just choose to fix whatever they feel like that day, and pretend they didn't even see the broken stuff.
Not quite sure who you would classified as pros since no one actually gets paid playing this game (maybe apart from bots), but anyone is allowed to go test things on live or preview.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
"No, I'm pretty sure the problem is most feedbacks and bug reports are ignored. The Devs just choose to fix whatever they feel like that day, and pretend they didn't even see the broken stuff.
Not quite sure who you would classified as pros since no one actually gets paid playing this game (maybe apart from bots), but anyone is allowed to go test things on live or preview" ======== Supposed pros was what i said. Meaning in their own minds. In response to this:
"~having new fledglings complain about the handwork and/or experience we put into this game is a different laughable matter entirely~"
====== Its even funnier reading it a second time. The point I was making is that the people using those drains on others that dont have them, nor the wards to protect themselves, are not following new rules put in place because its now part of the game, as was stated in the same post. Theyre griefing, or looking for an easy win against a worthy opponent. Its that simple. Finding out companion bonuses work in dom and going and buying pig companions is not work or theorycrafting either. The only experience at work here is the one that tells you there is definitely gonna be bugs or broken stuff left in by devs to exploit, now lets go find them and use them. How can you be upset that newer players that dont understand whats happening to them in pvp come here and call you guys cheaters. You cant be serious.
I'd want to see ACBs removed from all forms of PvP and added a new companion vs. companion mode, like pokemon. It could be turn based, half cooked and pixelated, I'd pay to see it.
I'd want to see ACBs removed from all forms of PvP and added a new companion vs. companion mode, like pokemon. It could be turn based, half cooked and pixelated, I'd pay to see it.
I'm serious.
Meh… even FFXV went AXB. Honestly, I can't wait it!
"No, I'm pretty sure the problem is most feedbacks and bug reports are ignored. The Devs just choose to fix whatever they feel like that day, and pretend they didn't even see the broken stuff.
Not quite sure who you would classified as pros since no one actually gets paid playing this game (maybe apart from bots), but anyone is allowed to go test things on live or preview"
========
Supposed pros was what i said. Meaning in their own minds. In response to this:
"~having new fledglings complain about the handwork and/or experience we put into this game is a different laughable matter entirely~"
======
Its even funnier reading it a second time. The point I was making is that the people using those drains on others that dont have them, nor the wards to protect themselves, are not following new rules put in place because its now part of the game, as was stated in the same post. Theyre griefing, or looking for an easy win against a worthy opponent. Its that simple. Finding out companion bonuses work in dom and going and buying pig companions is not work or theorycrafting either. The only experience at work here is the one that tells you there is definitely gonna be bugs or broken stuff left in by devs to exploit, now lets go find them and use them. How can you be upset that newer players that dont understand whats happening to them in pvp come here and call you guys cheaters. You cant be serious.
The same way you would be upset if I came into your home, and tried to tell you how all your faucets and door handles worked (because I know them so much better then you) and then called you a witch for being able to use them better then I can.
"Your obviously P2W breh"
"Stop cheating and using hacks"
"You guys are only good cause your 5 people together"
"Stop using Macro's"
That's what's hilarious.
Keep in mind I never justified the gear advantage I have over 99% of the player base. If you've read any of my posts I'm an advocated for all the necessary changes that PvP needs.
Just because I act like an arrogant HAMSTER (Guess what, I've earned and deserve it for many modules) dosen't mean I have no grasp on whats better for the game here.
but I can tell you one thing, Emotional, player targeted complaints about balance don't get any developer attention what so ever, so please, keep wasting your breath.
Neverwinter PVP since mod 2 is like the earth after all the good people ascended to heaven. Even if you're the best now, that just puts you at the top of a giant pile of trash. The weak have inherited the earth.
Neverwinter PVP since mod 2 is like the earth after all the good people ascended to heaven. Even if you're the best now, that just puts you at the top of a giant pile of trash. The weak have inherited the earth.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
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And just for your information, the marks are not a bug or exploit like multiprocing, they are a (game breaking) feature WAI.
And yes, I am happy using AP drains and stamina drains against things like semi immortal OPs or trollin perma daily TRs.
As I said, its hypocritic to allow one broken thing but demand from others not to use a different broken thing.
Not to speak about companions working in pvp. I have the feeling most of you dont even realize on how many levels pvp is currently imbalanced.
Call out Cryptic and their imcompetence in balancing, not the players who habe to live in this broken sh.it.
Just saying ^^
"Domination is meant to be a different experience"
I fully agree with that, the Domination should they as a different experience!
Now change the "Drain Overlords" to make it just usable on SH-PvP like ACB's
For Domination PvP
- No ACB's
- No Drain's
And we are going a good way.
But the activity for PvP just tanked. I personally stopped pvping until i got into a rank 8 guild, but it's too late. Theres barely anyone to play with and only 1 siege map active at a time.
Will the devs do something about these absurd enchantments? I doubt it, until we see the xbox players whine.
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
Just found out that the wards don't work as expected. It only blocks off a teeney portion of the stamina/AP drain... so in the end, there's no way to avert the effects of those krapchit overloads.
Currently, without using those, there's no way to compete.
The PvP between two people using that krapchit? Dumb and stupid toe-to-toe punchfest where both sides have no defense mechanics, and just trade punches standing still.
For us TRs or HRs?
TR - Drain-drain-drain-drain-drain-SE. Wow. Undodgeable SE. So fun.
HR - stundrain-stundrain-stundrain-stundrain. Wow. Every enemy is combat dummy. So fun.
No, I'm not about to back down. I'm not using this chit against other people. It's f**king disgusting, what these overloads do. But then I now have no way to compete against others at all.
The only solution? Quit the game.
I guess I'll come back for a final look at NW with mod8 Underdark. If Underdark doesn't prove that the devs have finally understood what the problem is, then I guess this is it for me.
(ps) Congrats to all you GWF/TR players. Yes, I know this isn't your fault, but obviously, you guys are the sole beneficiaries of the drains now.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
and also the featured satirical comedic adventure "A Call for Heroes".
I wish I could go into detail of what's in store for those PvPing and buying all these soon to be "version 1.0" companions (save your AD and Zen for next mod and companions "hint, hint".). There will be a LOOOONG river of tears on these forums soon.
News at 11
-Kymos
But yeah, right now i'm using 1 AP ward and 1 stamina ward and they do protect me quite well.
Your preaching to the priest... This and more is what we've been asking for since Mod 0. The issue now however is that the player base would suffer a significant que drought once an IT separation would be made... but with that being said, the game should start properly one day and hope for regrowth afterwards, otherwise it'll continue to be a downward slope.
People on this forum throw around the term "Cheater" way to easily.
No player, of any skill level should take blame for using anything that is implemented into the game, anything added by the developers is immediately considered "Part of the rules".
Just because the majority of the player base does not like the rules does not make them false. "Don't blame the player, Blame the game." which has unfortunately resulted in a large quantity of veteran players to quit.
~having new fledglings complain about the handwork and/or experience we put into this game is a different laughable matter entirely~
Cheater is a term reserved to those who edit the game with a 3rd party program and force the game to act in a way not supported by the developers.
I implore the "New" pvp community to analyze the matter intelligently and respond in a non-emotional way. By following that method, we can better serve the developers in a way that will make the game better for everyone.
not sure what your post mean honestly. You think that playerbase dont serve enough intelligently to devs and is too emotional? i dont think so. There is always many suggestions for devs to easy observe and guess what these topics are not biased by other players. Playerbase do very well.
if you care about players behaviour on the forum, i suggest to look at your guildies or other long term dedicated pvpers. I see them intentionally destroy many topics over time....
Thank you for providing evidence to support my post!
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Not quite sure who you would classified as pros since no one actually gets paid playing this game (maybe apart from bots), but anyone is allowed to go test things on live or preview.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
Not quite sure who you would classified as pros since no one actually gets paid playing this game (maybe apart from bots), but anyone is allowed to go test things on live or preview"
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Supposed pros was what i said. Meaning in their own minds. In response to this:
"~having new fledglings complain about the handwork and/or experience we put into this game is a different laughable matter entirely~"
======
Its even funnier reading it a second time. The point I was making is that the people using those drains on others that dont have them, nor the wards to protect themselves, are not following new rules put in place because its now part of the game, as was stated in the same post. Theyre griefing, or looking for an easy win against a worthy opponent. Its that simple. Finding out companion bonuses work in dom and going and buying pig companions is not work or theorycrafting either. The only experience at work here is the one that tells you there is definitely gonna be bugs or broken stuff left in by devs to exploit, now lets go find them and use them. How can you be upset that newer players that dont understand whats happening to them in pvp come here and call you guys cheaters. You cant be serious.
I'm serious.
Honestly, I can't wait it!
"Your obviously P2W breh"
"Stop cheating and using hacks"
"You guys are only good cause your 5 people together"
"Stop using Macro's"
That's what's hilarious.
Keep in mind I never justified the gear advantage I have over 99% of the player base. If you've read any of my posts I'm an advocated for all the necessary changes that PvP needs.
Here - http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1204411/shpvp-the-necessary-changes#latest
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Here - http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1204000/pvp-wards-drains-balance-suggestions#latest
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Here - http://forum.arcgames.com/neverwinter/discussion/1201313/pvp-leaderboard-matchmaking#latest
Just because I act like an arrogant HAMSTER (Guess what, I've earned and deserve it for many modules) dosen't mean I have no grasp on whats better for the game here.
but I can tell you one thing, Emotional, player targeted complaints about balance don't get any developer attention what so ever, so please, keep wasting your breath.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)