@fatguns There are plenty viable combinations and you have to choose them to fit your playstyle and the situation.
HD - BF - TD/FLS/RS/IBS.
Sometimes I do not even use RS/IBS, rather a stun encounter coupled with BF because at-wills buffed by BF hit pretty hard.
Furthermore is it impossible to catch you if you make mistakes and have to run away xD
its a setup more or less like this as i remember destroyer: great weapon focus 5/5 , disciple of war 5/5, unfettered strikes 5/5, relentelss battle fury 5/5, focused destroyer 5/5+ capstone sentinel: unstoppable recovery 5/5, powerfull challenge 5/5, countless scars 5/5 can´t say if its 100% correct, but that way more or less Battle fury, HD, takedown --> recharges very quick and stuns+ in case you miss it give you a second chance more or less IBS is a waste of time 90% of cases even having a bad equipped GWF it works ok
You need to react quick eneugh and be effective at landing IBS, onece you are you will mostly never want to take it out of your bar >.>
might work but not against skilled player animation is too slow imo 2xTD in the same time (in case you have relentless BF) also stuns target and animation is a bit faster, on top if you miss it recharges in nearly zero seconds, try it, much better
Absolute, EOA, and a few Black Lotus are all using the Drain enchants.
Like anyone did not know these guilds would use any advantage they can get to smash pug's for the ego trip. lol, by the way they have been caught exploiting the node immune functions as well. doubt any reprimand's will come about but W/E.
It's not like it's a law or anything. I'm just trying to spread these views on grounds of ethics.
For me, the more you are a 'veteran' player, the better you know about the game, the more you love the game, you have that much responsibility to try to make it work. Famous and powerful, skilled players using stuff that are clearly in consensus as being total nonsense, balance-breaking trash... it just tells a lot of sad things to new players and casual players.
All it does, is tell them you should be using and doing the same thing to enjoy this game, and you just need to care about yourself, not the status the game is in.
I think that's sad.
I wish more veteran players, more veteran guilds, could declare an embargo/boycott against broken stuff, and try to make a statement to the community that it's a good thing to 'gimp yourself', so to speak, if it means bringing better results and more pleasant game for everyone.
Stop making excuses. Be a man. If you know something to be broken, stop using it. Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
It's not like it's a law or anything. I'm just trying to spread these views on grounds of ethics.
For me, the more you are a 'veteran' player, the better you know about the game, the more you love the game, you have that much responsibility to try to make it work. Famous and powerful, skilled players using stuff that are clearly in consensus as being total nonsense, balance-breaking trash... it just tells a lot of sad things to new players and casual players.
All it does, is tell them you should be using and doing the same thing to enjoy this game, and you just need to care about yourself, not the status the game is in.
I think that's sad.
I wish more veteran players, more veteran guilds, could declare an embargo/boycott against broken stuff, and try to make a statement to the community that it's a good thing to 'gimp yourself', so to speak, if it means bringing better results and more pleasant game for everyone.
Your viewpoints represent everything that the old players used to follow, however after a certain guild (who won't be named) threw out the first communally accepted embargo (the use of Potions and other Buffs in PvP) the use of "ethics" has been snowballing downward.
The gear gap in this game is far to drastic now to enforce true ethics. By an ethical standard, using my BiS gear is technically unfair, - the vast majority of the game doesn't have it - unfortunately, drawing a line in the sand as a group of the minority elite, and hoping the majority un-classed follow it is a fools task. Especially when staying behind such a line results in losing to people of less skill level.
The issue is not the people using the tools made available to them, the issue is the allowance of said tools to be created in the first place.
My only suggestion to fix something such as these new drains would be the proper balancing of such. In a MMORPG, gear gaps will always exist, in fact it's what the game genre thrives on.
With that being said, something I very much campaign for is the implementation of these new systems.
Complete force of using only "PvP Gear" in PvP, with a slightly less then BiS level being available for use on day 1. (This includes Jewlery being forcibly swapped for PvP counter parts)
Rental rank 11 and Pure Level enchantments being created for use in PvP - Purchased Via Glory.
With these systems implemented, the Gear Gap in PvP will become significantly reduced and such boycotts won't even be necessary.
At any rate, to say the least, the people losing are most likely going to lose anyways, I can tell you - speaking as probably the oldest PvP Premade TR in Game - The skill level and Expierence gap is just as high now as the gear gap. The Gear Gap merely speeds up the time it takes for new players to quit, which is something that should ultimately be avoided.
Buffs and potions were even used in beta, when people stacked rejuvination pots 99x.
Not to speak of the abuse of bugs and broken mechanics since day one (bunny hopping, dagger throwing teneTRs for example).
You and your guild is no exception from that (or even worse? How is Artemis?).
But you have a point, that the gear gap should be auto narrowed, so that beginners wont be stomped.
But if you think that, that NW requires alot of skill, your mistaken. Its a factor but not a big one. Because this game was and never will be a competitive pvp game, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself how great your k/d ratio is. :-D
You and your guild is no exception from that (or even worse? How is Artemis?).
I'd also appreciate it if you kept specific guilds out of this discussion. The point was that you can't blame anyone for using something that's made available to them
But if you think that, that NW requires alot of skill, your mistaken. Its a factor but not a big one. Because this game was and never will be a competitive pvp game, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself how great your k/d ratio is. :-D
I'm under no illusion that the skill cap in this game is incredible, I play other games when I want to be truly competitive, but with that being said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix what we can.
In comparison to other players of my class, My K/D ratio is exceptional and the best out of any premade TR. Numbers don't lie.
By your definitions "drainings marks" are also not broken. Maybe not in terms of intended coded mechanic, but still game breaking in the sense of balance… like the bunny hopping TRs and Tenes were.
And "buff potions" were not used because they were so very visible by other players. But said reju pots were commonly used. Like every other mechanic to gain an advantage.
And for a side note: pm dom is not about k/d numbers. Do I really have to explain that to you? ;-D Your just running away from fights you cant win or where you are in the risk of dying… even in 1vs1. So you live up to that hated quote "a smart fighter quits while he is ahead". It makes you kinda smart in managing not to die, but not skilled in winning a domination match.
Bazinga!
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited September 2015
every single time a met absolute group baby sitting each other, someone of them using them on me. jerks go to hell
edit: one message to essence of agression officers . teach your members about split he sky power)))
By your definitions "drainings marks" are also not broken. Maybe not in terms of intended coded mechanic, but still game breaking in the sense of balance… like the bunny hopping TRs and Tenes were.
And "buff potions" were not used because they were so very visible by other players. But said reju pots were commonly used. Like every other mechanic to gain an advantage.
And for a side note: pm dom is not about k/d numbers. Do I really have to explain that to you? ;-D
Your just running away from fights you cant win or where you are in the risk of dying… even in 1vs1.
So you live up to that hated quote "a smart fighter quits while he is ahead". It makes you kinda smart in managing not to die, but not skilled in winning a domination match.
Bazinga!
You can't make up your own terms to justify your false arguements, These game mechanics weren't broken, they were over powered. Abusing something that's "Over Powered, but WAI" is certainly not shame worthy. Anyone that uses a buff potion to have 7-8 extra rank 10 enchants is just as bad.
Rejuv pots were used for all of 4 weeks, Buff pots were forsaken for 3-4 mods by the PvP community. My point stands and you contradicted your own statement by admitting buff pots weren't used.
PLEASE, Give me a challenging fight if you think that I run from them, name any time, any place, and I'll have my team ready, please... I truly beg you.
Or if you think my ability to win 1v1 is lacking... We can arrange one of those too..
Winning doesnt make your attitude or arguments right. We all know thats a hard thing to comprehend for you, because winning and/or surviving is such an ego thing for you.
And you were very quiet about 1vs1 in mod3-4 when TR were gimped. As I said, you are a smart guy, you take the fights you are sure to win.
The people that were dumped to PD werent so smart I guess^^
Who ever would say these enchants work as intended may be blind but not smart sorry Cryptic spits out HAMSTER and buggy thinks like hell, anyone who takes advantage off this must be considered to take advantage off an obvious bug so its sure a question about win>>>>skill, as allways some skill from classes are same way broken like Hunter, TR, OP with gamebreaking buggy HAMSTER encounter end feature, we all know it and thats not to dicuss the moment i get these silly enchants I will abuse them also, as anyone else, and gonna DOT every maxed, pseudo pro player to death, until he has to admit that this Bulls.hit has to be taken away from PVP
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Who ever would say these enchants work as intended may be blind but not smart sorry Cryptic spits out HAMSTER and buggy thinks like hell, anyone who takes advantage off this must be considered to take advantage off an obvious bug so its sure a question about win>>>>skill, as allways some skill from classes are same way broken like Hunter, TR, OP with gamebreaking buggy HAMSTER encounter end feature, we all know it and thats not to dicuss the moment i get these silly enchants I will abuse them also, as anyone else, and gonna DOT every maxed, pseudo pro player to death, until he has to admit that this Bulls.hit has to be taken away from PVP
please dont, they will be usually grouped, babysit each other. be better than they are
Who ever would say these enchants work as intended may be blind but not smart sorry Cryptic spits out HAMSTER and buggy thinks like hell, anyone who takes advantage off this must be considered to take advantage off an obvious bug so its sure a question about win>>>>skill, as allways some skill from classes are same way broken like Hunter, TR, OP with gamebreaking buggy HAMSTER encounter end feature, we all know it and thats not to dicuss the moment i get these silly enchants I will abuse them also, as anyone else, and gonna DOT every maxed, pseudo pro player to death, until he has to admit that this Bulls.hit has to be taken away from PVP
please dont, they will be usually grouped, babysit each other. be better than they are
this game is not about good or skilled , never was and my time seems to run out, so i gonna ruin the rest of it as hard as i can, bc it´s not worth thinking one minute about it, look at all these selfish player in forum, all want the best for the game...excuse ...for their actual main class, no honor, no skill in this community at all, everywhere you look have fun
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
Who ever would say these enchants work as intended may be blind but not smart sorry Cryptic spits out HAMSTER and buggy thinks like hell, anyone who takes advantage off this must be considered to take advantage off an obvious bug so its sure a question about win>>>>skill, as allways some skill from classes are same way broken like Hunter, TR, OP with gamebreaking buggy HAMSTER encounter end feature, we all know it and thats not to dicuss the moment i get these silly enchants I will abuse them also, as anyone else, and gonna DOT every maxed, pseudo pro player to death, until he has to admit that this Bulls.hit has to be taken away from PVP
please dont, they will be usually grouped, babysit each other. be better than they are
this game is not about good or skilled , never was and my time seems to run out, so i gonna ruin the rest of it as hard as i can, bc it´s not worth thinking one minute about it, look at all these selfish player in forum, all want the best for the game...excuse ...for their actual main class, no honor, no skill in this community at all, everywhere you look have fun
well all games seems to me about still enjoy combat with your toons or not and then quit. sad loose player like you if i can judge from forum. Only thing i am almost certain, its hard to find another game that can catch me through graphic aesthetic, gameplay and combat. even my beloved elder scrolls world is nothing special at the case of ESO
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
Absolute-eoa and rest big guilds you showed me your true face at module 5. I remember screenshots from each guild accuse each other using the kick exploit. I remember comments like: " they kick i will kick too". GZ leaderboard page was more important than have fun. DID you care about your teamate get 30 minutes penalty? Ofcourse not your fake leaderboard page was more important.
Absolute-eoa and rest big guilds you showed me your true face at module 5. I remember screenshots from each guild accuse each other using the kick exploit. I remember comments like: " they kick i will kick too". GZ leaderboard page was more important than have fun. DID you care about your teamate get 30 minutes penalty? Ofcourse not your fake leaderboard page was more important.
remember that too. sadly there are still experienced players who join their rank nowadays. share that shame
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mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
eoa use stamina-ap glyph too confirmed. SO far we have black lotus-absolute-eoa-rw force-gravity x.
Super cool. I join in abusing this <font color="orange">HAMSTER</font> as fast as I can , to help these guilds destroying the Rest of this redicules BvP, before I leeve this cra.p game So they can go on su.ck each others stamina or AP or whatever they want to su.ck after having queued for ages
mamalion1234Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,415Arc User
edited September 2015
BIG guilds support stamina mark( support means they use it ). They like their top character to kill skillfull defensless enemies. SO if you want your enemies permanent without stamina go play pve here the mobs dont dodge or sprint or block.
There are many good GWFs that can beat me I am not suprised. My build focuses on mid range fights focusing on ranged attackers and quick mobile supports, its just my role in fights
I thought your build focused on chasing SWs around and losing games
BIG guilds support stamina mark( support means they use it ). They like their top character to kill skillfull defensless enemies. SO if you want your enemies permanent without stamina go play pve here the mobs dont dodge or sprint or block.
You can get the stamina wards so none of these stamina marks will have effect on you.
If you can't get your hands on them yet, then don't blame the others that got them first. We all hate these marks, but the only way to combat them is to use them yourself too. The top guilds are usually pretty competitive and are not going to spend time unslotting them just for you.
It is sadly the devs choice to find ways for people to spend more money, so they can rush to get these broken items, otherwise they'll be disadvantaged.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)
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vinceent1Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 1,264Arc User
edited September 2015
Sicarius and other gang - no matter how hard you are trying convince that you are not a problem, you are a problem. You and your guild is true frog on the spring., plagueing this game for years. I can only imagine how much more fun can everybody get in this game if you and your guild is not here. You are already kings on the hill and still use whatever you can to maintain your dominance, are you even sane person? Devs are usually clueless, its the same thing with all games, sad thing is strongest neverwinter players are not proud of this game, never were, never will be, as it should be. So deal with it or cancel your useless guild already.
Wasn't using the overloads until one match I run into them - won't get killed by some nubs who think they have skill because of drain overloads - giving them back their own medicine, they will certainly not unequip them as jaotut mentioned - so you have to adapt. Either use them yourself or use the counter wards, if you can't yet ... not really my problem.
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imo 2xTD in the same time (in case you have relentless BF) also stuns target and animation is a bit faster, on top if you miss it recharges in nearly zero seconds, try it, much better
Like anyone did not know these guilds would use any advantage they can get to smash pug's for the ego trip. lol, by the way they have been caught exploiting the node immune functions as well. doubt any reprimand's will come about but W/E.
For me, the more you are a 'veteran' player, the better you know about the game, the more you love the game, you have that much responsibility to try to make it work. Famous and powerful, skilled players using stuff that are clearly in consensus as being total nonsense, balance-breaking trash... it just tells a lot of sad things to new players and casual players.
All it does, is tell them you should be using and doing the same thing to enjoy this game, and you just need to care about yourself, not the status the game is in.
I think that's sad.
I wish more veteran players, more veteran guilds, could declare an embargo/boycott against broken stuff, and try to make a statement to the community that it's a good thing to 'gimp yourself', so to speak, if it means bringing better results and more pleasant game for everyone.
If you know something to be broken, stop using it.
Otherwise, you've got no right to be speaking of 'balance.'
The gear gap in this game is far to drastic now to enforce true ethics. By an ethical standard, using my BiS gear is technically unfair, - the vast majority of the game doesn't have it - unfortunately, drawing a line in the sand as a group of the minority elite, and hoping the majority un-classed follow it is a fools task. Especially when staying behind such a line results in losing to people of less skill level.
The issue is not the people using the tools made available to them, the issue is the allowance of said tools to be created in the first place.
My only suggestion to fix something such as these new drains would be the proper balancing of such. In a MMORPG, gear gaps will always exist, in fact it's what the game genre thrives on.
With that being said, something I very much campaign for is the implementation of these new systems.
Complete force of using only "PvP Gear" in PvP, with a slightly less then BiS level being available for use on day 1.
(This includes Jewlery being forcibly swapped for PvP counter parts)
Rental rank 11 and Pure Level enchantments being created for use in PvP - Purchased Via Glory.
With these systems implemented, the Gear Gap in PvP will become significantly reduced and such boycotts won't even be necessary.
At any rate, to say the least, the people losing are most likely going to lose anyways, I can tell you - speaking as probably the oldest PvP Premade TR in Game - The skill level and Expierence gap is just as high now as the gear gap.
The Gear Gap merely speeds up the time it takes for new players to quit, which is something that should ultimately be avoided.
Buffs and potions were even used in beta, when people stacked rejuvination pots 99x.
Not to speak of the abuse of bugs and broken mechanics since day one (bunny hopping, dagger throwing teneTRs for example).
You and your guild is no exception from that (or even worse? How is Artemis?).
But you have a point, that the gear gap should be auto narrowed, so that beginners wont be stomped.
But if you think that, that NW requires alot of skill, your mistaken. Its a factor but not a big one. Because this game was and never will be a competitive pvp game, no matter how hard you try to convince yourself how great your k/d ratio is. :-D
Teneborus weren't broken, or a Bug. It seems like your confusing OP and broken? I'd also appreciate it if you kept specific guilds out of this discussion. The point was that you can't blame anyone for using something that's made available to them Agree'd. I'm under no illusion that the skill cap in this game is incredible, I play other games when I want to be truly competitive, but with that being said, it doesn't mean we shouldn't try to fix what we can.
In comparison to other players of my class, My K/D ratio is exceptional and the best out of any premade TR. Numbers don't lie.
And "buff potions" were not used because they were so very visible by other players. But said reju pots were commonly used. Like every other mechanic to gain an advantage.
And for a side note: pm dom is not about k/d numbers. Do I really have to explain that to you? ;-D
Your just running away from fights you cant win or where you are in the risk of dying… even in 1vs1.
So you live up to that hated quote "a smart fighter quits while he is ahead". It makes you kinda smart in managing not to die, but not skilled in winning a domination match.
Bazinga!
edit: one message to essence of agression officers . teach your members about split he sky power)))
You can't make up your own terms to justify your false arguements, These game mechanics weren't broken, they were over powered. Abusing something that's "Over Powered, but WAI" is certainly not shame worthy. Anyone that uses a buff potion to have 7-8 extra rank 10 enchants is just as bad.
Rejuv pots were used for all of 4 weeks, Buff pots were forsaken for 3-4 mods by the PvP community. My point stands and you contradicted your own statement by admitting buff pots weren't used.
PLEASE, Give me a challenging fight if you think that I run from them, name any time, any place, and I'll have my team ready, please... I truly beg you.
Or if you think my ability to win 1v1 is lacking... We can arrange one of those too..
You are so hard trying :-D
Winning doesnt make your attitude or arguments right. We all know thats a hard thing to comprehend for you, because winning and/or surviving is such an ego thing for you.
And you were very quiet about 1vs1 in mod3-4 when TR were gimped. As I said, you are a smart guy, you take the fights you are sure to win.
The people that were dumped to PD werent so smart I guess^^
Cryptic spits out HAMSTER and buggy thinks like hell, anyone who takes advantage off this must be considered to take advantage off an obvious bug
so its sure a question about win>>>>skill, as allways
some skill from classes are same way broken like Hunter, TR, OP with gamebreaking buggy HAMSTER encounter end feature, we all know it and thats not to dicuss
the moment i get these silly enchants I will abuse them also, as anyone else, and gonna DOT every maxed, pseudo pro player to death, until he has to admit that this Bulls.hit has to be taken away from PVP
look at all these selfish player in forum, all want the best for the game...excuse ...for their actual main class, no honor, no skill in this community at all, everywhere you look
have fun
.Suicide Squad.
So they can go on su.ck each others stamina or AP or whatever they want to su.ck after having queued for ages
If you can't get your hands on them yet, then don't blame the others that got them first. We all hate these marks, but the only way to combat them is to use them yourself too. The top guilds are usually pretty competitive and are not going to spend time unslotting them just for you.
It is sadly the devs choice to find ways for people to spend more money, so they can rush to get these broken items, otherwise they'll be disadvantaged.
Have the gear and skills, but lack the friends to play with? Come and apply for Essence of Aggression. We have been here and strong since beta. (Immature, rude, and arrogant people will not be accepted)