I am seeing better results using Warlocks Bargain, and trying to use Tyrannical Threat to line a few enemies up before unleashing Dreadtheft on them, thanks to you guys who replied
I solo all the time, and do pretty well, with my SW. I don't have any of the higher end gear, and can still handle a few good fights. If the health potions regenerated quicker, I would have less of an issue, but even then, I do pretty well. LV 53 SW. And have been in two dungeons with lvl 55 opponents.
I may not be the best player in the world, but at least I learn my Toon, and how to play them. b:laugh
I solo all the time, and do pretty well, with my SW. I don't have any of the higher end gear, and can still handle a few good fights. If the health potions regenerated quicker, I would have less of an issue, but even then, I do pretty well. LV 53 SW. And have been in two dungeons with lvl 55 opponents.
SW is fine until level 60. It then gets increasingly difficult, and at level 70 it's a joke. As a 2.5k SW I have no chance against hard hitting trash mobs in IWD like trolls. In groups where you can actually cast spells without being killed in a couple of hits you can do ok, but dps is still low compared to equally geared other classes.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
Do you see the difference? The guy is running around in green gear, doing the exact same damage as me. He is not using the "bugged Sharandar set". Simple, 2k SW with absolutely no gear and/or enchants. outperforming a CW with mythics, maxed armor pen, a lot more crit and power and everything else. Please tell me the SW's "dps is still low compared to equally geared other classes."
How about comparing the damage of you and that SW at a training puppet without any group buffs, and then we have something to talk about? And i see 12k power, 9k crit and 4k arp... care to show us the armor/weapon and equipment enchantments on that SW too? Last but not least, epic dungeons run... probably with SB/Damnation path/feats?
Edit: All campaign boons and probably a few guild boons in that SW too?
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited October 2015
The SW had a normal Lightning Enchantment and a lesser soulforged. What difference does it make what path/feat the SW is using? A fricking 2k SW almost outperforms a CW twice as geared. How can you say the SW is the worst class and any other class with similar gear outdoes it in terms of damage. Both of my screenshots from Page 3 and Page 4 proved you wrong.
It does make a difference which path SW is using. If he is using the puppet path (damnation) he will do great dps. Only problem is that this dps is not caused by SW but by his puppet. No skill/gear/personal experience needed. A friend of mine just got his SW to 2k ilvl to try ETOS yesterday. Using the puppet path he outdpsed a 3.6k GWF.I've got the theory that puppet damage somehow "scales" with group damage. This is why everybody says puppet is broken. And now pls don't tell me every SW should stop whining and just use the puppet. Take this SW to ELOL or any other T1, puppet does not hit THAT hard in T1. Otherwise try out a test dummy.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited October 2015
Every class has a path that does less damage than the other ones, or is this a justified reason to call for a boost? Because if that's right, I'm going to start a "boost thaumaturge and oppressor" CW crusade right now.
Hi enomic, here is Quallo from your guild I play damnation path and its easy to out DPS most better geared player...broken or not it is the only viable damage setup atm Puppet deals 30-40% of damage and TT 20-30% Warlock needs a fix of some things like a tone down of puppet damage an TT and a rework of most encounter Dealing up to 80% of your damage with your dailies tyrannical threat and firy blast from immolation spirits and a puppet that seems to be out of order doesn't look like a balanced class But I think its gonna stay the way it is, since this game will stay a mess, and I play damnation warlock as long as no rework is done because its the best way to go...thats what I recommand every other player who wants to have the best fun effect playing this class since Temptations is no option and fury can't compete no matter what you try PVP is ok beside the known problems and you definitely do not have these avalanche procs fury suffers from Doing dragon HE's i do not use fabled set since i sold it... But running AcT I can stay at same level or better than most other classes except the ilianbruen warlocks, they are out of range
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
I am getting tired. Great DPS, great DPS. Try doing a bunch of solo dailies by yourself. Feel the pain of it all. Go play with Biggrin alone or a WoD lair. The DPS is dreadful.
Do you see the difference? The guy is running around in green gear, doing the exact same damage as me. He is not using the "bugged Sharandar set". Simple, 2k SW with absolutely no gear and/or enchants. outperforming a CW with mythics, maxed armor pen, a lot more crit and power and everything else. Please tell me the SW's "dps is still low compared to equally geared other classes."
thx for this. and to confirm i get wrecked by bis SW in PVP too and im BIS CW...
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
edited October 2015
That's not a SW's DPS. It's a bugged puppet's you keep seeing. The equivalent of an OP's prism and burning guidance making their pathetic DPS go through the roof. Have respec to temp, no fabled set, and see their awesome damage.
I think it is interesting, that only the one place where a SW could shine with the right combination is picked for a screenshot here... but they are not up for going at a training puppet and showing their damage there?
Same about boons, what character/guild boons are being used here? A fresh/regular IL 2k SW isn't running around with 12k Power, 9k Crit and 4k Arp... you need either some really good enchantments for that, or at least a lot of boons.
Or what about the two pieces of the Lostmauth set? Is it just me, or is someone else thinking that those two green class sigils in the SW seem to be out of place?
Indeed the stats are very good, but the reason to perform like this is by sure dealing 70% of damage with wraith claw and TT Probably high enchants in bis augment in too
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited October 2015
You could always just inspect the guy instead of trying to accuse me of manipulating anything. Or even invite the guy for a run.
Most damnation locks will outdps other classes in T2 even a well geared fury lock Nothing manipulated , simply broken tree in a broken game I got out dpsed 2-3 times by a green 2k damnatiolock myself playing fury And going T1 or skirmishes its also far better than fury It has to be fixed to prevent puppet dealing damage spikes like >1 mio k
It's bugged puppet. SWs right now get very close to geared Crit-build-eLoL geared GWFs with mighty puppets. I play a non-crit GWF with no eLoL set, and at 2.8k iLvL the result is the same. I'd suggest to hide the names however, it's against forum rules and you hurt the feelings of my awesome guildie!
On a side note: which enchant is the SW using? Cause i see high CHA and 9k+ crit, which means high enough crit chance on a low geared SW, i'd say 45%+ CW has thunderhead and in eCC you don'thave big crowds and many trash mobs die fast, so Vorpal would outperform Thunderhead in my opinion. Same CW with a vorpal would have a significant boost in DPS imho.
Other than that...SW should outDPS a CW cause CW is a control/DPS class, while SW is pure DPS class.
I'd just move that damage to actual encounters and not puppet...
skill for sure....puppet master at his best with high group buffs i guess
i would not talk about a buff of that class but a fix and a rework to make it viable and get away from broken stuff being able to play different builds and use more than 3 or 4 encounter and 3 classfeature like now atm this class relies on broken stuff like puppet and TT both not working correctly but dealing under some circumstances crazy results
Let me guess... Puppet, TT, fabled iliyanbruen set. Which can be translated to "broken feature, broken power, broken set bonus." being able to deal nice damage but with only broken powers etc doesn't make a balanced class.
im a 3.4IL SW my dps is pretty decent. im not geared like mab, fernu, or others but I seem to do ok. Im SB fury, do about100-120mil in an etos.
its a fun class, frustrating at times, but well I dont want easy, I play for the challenge.
Same here but I always make sure I do dailies in IWD & WoD with my friend on her CW otherwise it would be a struggle though our joint DPS is always fun to watch in dungeons.
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ghoulz66Member, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 3,748Arc User
Playing damnation it has to be said Its not a challenge at no time except running against GWF and hunting paingiver Its the fastes way to grind through dungeons from a game that forces me to do so to get some ingame money. It is a decision made out if a rational conclusion. Running stuff two times slower or not? "No its boring enough , i take the fast way."
@romotheone you are master of flame cw aren't you? The smolder buffs affect puppet and iliyanbruen set too, so it's even more dmg.
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romotheoneMember, NW M9 PlaytestPosts: 729Arc User
edited November 2015
So many SWs playing the victim, it is the class dealing the most damage with the least effort. You curse, TT and then fire away and top DPS in any group. Barely need any gear for that. If it really isn't about "buffing SW", then why is everyone demanding a buff. Here on the forums, on the Legit community channel, everywhere.
I gave you guys 3 screenshots from 3 different scenarios on 3 different occasions. SW is in a REALLY GOOD PLACE.
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its a fun class, frustrating at times, but well I dont want easy, I play for the challenge.
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LV 53 SW. And have been in two dungeons with lvl 55 opponents.
Do you see the difference? The guy is running around in green gear, doing the exact same damage as me. He is not using the "bugged Sharandar set". Simple, 2k SW with absolutely no gear and/or enchants. outperforming a CW with mythics, maxed armor pen, a lot more crit and power and everything else. Please tell me the SW's "dps is still low compared to equally geared other classes."
And i see 12k power, 9k crit and 4k arp... care to show us the armor/weapon and equipment enchantments on that SW too?
Last but not least, epic dungeons run... probably with SB/Damnation path/feats?
Edit: All campaign boons and probably a few guild boons in that SW too?
also:
I play damnation path and its easy to out DPS most better geared player...broken or not it is the only viable damage setup atm
Puppet deals 30-40% of damage and TT 20-30%
Warlock needs a fix of some things like a tone down of puppet damage an TT and a rework of most encounter
Dealing up to 80% of your damage with your dailies tyrannical threat and firy blast from immolation spirits and a puppet that seems to be out of order doesn't look like a balanced class
But I think its gonna stay the way it is, since this game will stay a mess, and I play damnation warlock as long as no rework is done because its the best way to go...thats what I recommand every other player who wants to have the best fun effect playing this class since Temptations is no option and fury can't compete no matter what you try
PVP is ok beside the known problems and you definitely do not have these avalanche procs fury suffers from
Doing dragon HE's i do not use fabled set since i sold it... But running AcT I can stay at same level or better than most other classes except the ilianbruen warlocks, they are out of range
I am getting tired. Great DPS, great DPS. Try doing a bunch of solo dailies by yourself. Feel the pain of it all. Go play with Biggrin alone or a WoD lair. The DPS is dreadful.
Same about boons, what character/guild boons are being used here?
A fresh/regular IL 2k SW isn't running around with 12k Power, 9k Crit and 4k Arp... you need either some really good enchantments for that, or at least a lot of boons.
Or what about the two pieces of the Lostmauth set?
Is it just me, or is someone else thinking that those two green class sigils in the SW seem to be out of place?
Probably high enchants in bis augment in too
Nothing manipulated , simply broken tree in a broken game
I got out dpsed 2-3 times by a green 2k damnatiolock myself playing fury
And going T1 or skirmishes its also far better than fury
It has to be fixed to prevent puppet dealing damage spikes like >1 mio k
SWs right now get very close to geared Crit-build-eLoL geared GWFs with mighty puppets.
I play a non-crit GWF with no eLoL set, and at 2.8k iLvL the result is the same.
I'd suggest to hide the names however, it's against forum rules and you hurt the feelings of my awesome guildie!
On a side note: which enchant is the SW using?
Cause i see high CHA and 9k+ crit, which means high enough crit chance on a low geared SW, i'd say 45%+
CW has thunderhead and in eCC you don'thave big crowds and many trash mobs die fast, so Vorpal would outperform Thunderhead in my opinion.
Same CW with a vorpal would have a significant boost in DPS imho.
Other than that...SW should outDPS a CW cause CW is a control/DPS class, while SW is pure DPS class.
I'd just move that damage to actual encounters and not puppet...
2 minute long eCC boss fight, anyone?
i would not talk about a buff of that class but a fix and a rework to make it viable and get away from broken stuff being able to
play different builds and use more than 3 or 4 encounter and 3 classfeature like now
atm this class relies on broken stuff like puppet and TT both not working correctly but dealing under some circumstances crazy results
Pretty sure its ilianbruenset on top too
Its not a challenge at no time except running against GWF and hunting paingiver
Its the fastes way to grind through dungeons from a game that forces me to do so to get some ingame money.
It is a decision made out if a rational conclusion.
Running stuff two times slower or not?
"No its boring enough , i take the fast way."
So many SWs playing the victim, it is the class dealing the most damage with the least effort. You curse, TT and then fire away and top DPS in any group. Barely need any gear for that.
If it really isn't about "buffing SW", then why is everyone demanding a buff. Here on the forums, on the Legit community channel, everywhere.
I gave you guys 3 screenshots from 3 different scenarios on 3 different occasions. SW is in a REALLY GOOD PLACE.